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It makes me angry how he was treated..


What I mean is that if you take away all the *beep* that was said/written/discussed whatever about MJ the point is that no doubt he was basically the last one of the really big superstars (Sinatra, Elvis, Lennon and so on). One that only comes once in a lifetime. So I feel that we as a public really were not able to appreciate this larger than life character what he truly was and instead he was given a hard time most of his life. All the genius people were "weird" but honestly who cares and of course they don't live like the avarage six-pack Joe.. I feel true anger because I have only realized how interesting figure he really was After he died and I think the media witchhunt played a part that he became so reclusive in his final years and he was just ridiculed and we can never have him back and it is so sad that you only realize this after he is gone. I wish he had received all the adulations that he is receiving now that he is no longer here. It is actually shameful how he was treated. Remember that This is it has become the "fastest selling tour in history" despite of years of tabloid scrutiny. I am happy that he lived to see that at least..It is hard to swallow that he was treated like a lunatic or a criminal and we have missed to celebrate this unique, talented, humble genious and humanitarian what he was while he was still around. This is why I am saying: we lost him twice. Rest in peace Michael Joseph Jackson.

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You are NOT the only one that is angry. Michael was SOOO incredibly different that people just couldn't help themselves. The world was obsessed with him in MANY ways and I think it killed him. I mean you had that child molestation case, which i'm sure drained him mentally. I mean you have to put yourself in his shoes and realize that the whole world knows who he is and he had to live with he burden of knowing that some people think of him in ways that weren't true. I'm sure that's very hard to live with. The human race can be a deadly and cold race. Sometimes i'm ashamed to be a part of it.

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Excellent post, Colorado. :)

Never underestimate the genius of Michael Jackson, my sweet angelic warrior!

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You say that the terrible media only concentrated on the private life of the poor and innocent Michael Jackson. Did they put the children in his bed? Perhaps if he had slept with people over the age of consent he might have had less bad publicity.

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MJ didn't PUT any kid in his bed! He LET kids stay with him because they wanted to , OK? They flocked to him because he was magnetic like no other and kids understood him. He was one of them.
He never forced or asked any of them to sleep in his bed. Once they asked him he told them to ask their parents first, if they said it's OK then they could stay. And why not? Who the heck was harmed by it? Brett Barnes? Mac Culkin? Sean Lennon? They all adore MJ even today. Brett Barnes twitter avatar
is a picture of MJ and him as a kid. But you and the freaking sick minded media will tell him that it was WRONG for him to sleep 5 feet away from MJ? Cause you know better, you have the wisdom of the normal man after all.
And what about the girls who slept there? Name one who was harmed by MJ's presence. You can't. But the media didn't care. They never even interviewed any of them because it didn't serve their dirty agenda.

Age of consent is not required to sleep in the same bed
it is required for sexual activity which did not take place!
The difference between sleeping and sex is obvious.

But most humans are so ridiculously obsessed with sex they can't help but project their own filthy fantasies onto completely innocent situations. They think because they would find the situation sexual everyone else must have the same thoughts.
Well, Mj was not thinking about it. He was different. He wasn't interested in sex that much at all let alone sex with underage males.
For one thing: Gavin Arvizo admitted to the DCFS that MJ never slept in the same bed (go check the document it's available online) , he always slept on the floor and only because *beep* Gavin Arvizo wanted him to stay with him!

Frank Cascio was there listen to him about how it happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeqBDXgbg5c

But as MJ once said try to do something nice and they *beep* you!
Well the parasitic Arvizos sure *beep* him with the help of a filthy minded mass media they managed to torture one of the most gentle, caring, generous, harmless human being whose only agenda was to see Gavin recover from cancer.

Dr Wayne Dyer Talks About Michael Jackson in this video and it says it all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyCZ4x0cmmg

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The children had no business being in his room, never mind his bed, whether they asked to be there or not. Having said that, I never believed he was a child molester, just a man with extremely poor judgement. That of course gave the muck raking press lots of fodder, which alienated him even more from the real world. A vicious, tragic circle all the way around.

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Also MJ's room was so big it was like a 2 story large NY apartment. And he never slept with 1 kid alone, there was always another adult or staff around and a few other kids as well, all with their parents' permission.

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Why do you think that the bed is the only place you can abuse someone? He watched tv with them in bed, but he slept on the floor.

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I do agree with the original post for the most part. He had a tough life in a lot of ways, and he was mentally ill from so much systematic abuse from his father, but he did okay with what he had.

@cyrusdubman31
I am a casual fan. I didn't follow him in the last ten or so years of his life. I haven't seen this movie and don't really want to (it seems terribly depressing). But still, f you in the neck, mother f'er.

Yeah I started an account just to say that. I might get banned, but, meh. You posted that just to piss people off and you know it.

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valtriel - funny - love the shot at cyrusdumbman31.

MJ haters are always SO boring. They repeat the same stuff over and over......

For what? I suppose there is some gratification when a fan tells them they suck. But really, who is filling their days with useless things. Who needs to get a life? Perhaps those that are living in glass houses throwing stones.

Back to your regular scheduled programming....

PS: I have most of these idiots on ignore.....life is much simpler. And I don't get bored that way.


Let the round of shots begin - have fun!

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billyjean - I agree with your post wholeheartedly. The thing is there were haters, and opportunists, tabloids, blood suckers. But there were also MILLIONS of fans - so MJ would know that MILLIONS knew the truth, and that the others were just negative people living in the negative. Taking shots at an innocent target. MJ knew it. In any interview, he always said the bigger the star, the bigger the target. At least he knows he set a record selling out 50 shows in record time. This world loved MJ - a good percentage. The rest of 'em - ahh...who gives a S*it. Losers.

Let the round of shots begin - have fun!

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It really upsets me how he was treated by so many people throughout his life, even when he was at the top of his popularity. Even in death there are still so many people who love to trash him, and I think that's just terrible!

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This is a year old thread so I'm not sure if the OP is still around reading it, but if you are, I just want to say thank you for the words you expressed as they are exactly what I have been feeling since his death, am I am sure a lot of people can relate.

I never ever stopped being a Michael Jackson fan and I always knew he was innocent and that he had to live with that great injustice which is a true tragedy considering the kind and loving person he was. He deserved so much more than what he got, I can only hope that time will do him justice, as it usually happens, it's a very small consolation of course, but he at least deserves that.

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This is human nature. I was born with cleft lip and many people don't respect me as they should if I would be born without cleft.

Just because of scar :] That doesn't matter, but I want to say, that if people are not educated and knowledgeable than they will treat you like *beep*

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Sinatra was human sewage a mafia thug

Jackson was a paedophile

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I don't know much about Sinatra but MJ sure as hell had nothing to do
with pedophilia and it's obvious for anyone who actually reads the court
transcripts which revealed the true colors of his accusers.
The evidence is overwhelming to support his innocence.
Putting aside the obvious fact that both of his accusers admitted to
various people that MJ never touched them it's a matter of indisputable
fact that not one of them went to the police first, as true abuse victims
would , but instead went to a trial lawyer for advise about how to sue MJ
for millions.
Imagine if the Sandusky victims had done that one after another?
Wouldn't you find that strange?

Moreover, their story was often so absurd so full of contradictions and
lies that they were caught in numerous perjuries during cross-
examination.
For one thing the first kid claimed that he had oral sex with MJ and that
he was circumcised. But we now know thanks to the the autopsy report
that MJ was in fact NOT circumcised. Now, if anything, you would sure as
hell know that difference if you really performed oral sex on someone
especially if you are Jewish as the Chandlers were! That alone shows that
Jordan Chandler lied, period. Gavin Arvizo lied so often he should go into politics.


It's also interesting that among the many many people who actually
knew MJ for years and years not one came forward and said that they
saw him inappropriately behaving with kids. It's only those whom he
fired and therefore they had an ax to grind, or those who sued him or
were sued by him or those who didn't even meet him at all let alone
know him. Their words don't matter. They have no idea what MJ did and
didn't do. And no sane person would believe them.
Don't get me started on Wade Robson, who managed to contradict
himself on the very same day he accused MJ when he said it was not a
case of repressed memory at the same time if you read his lawsuit
documents there he claims having repressed memory because he knows
otherwise he has no chance of getting any money due to the statute of limitation. His story is the most absurd of all with some prophecy about
him becoming the next Spielberg, repressed memory, role playing
sessions, nervous breakdown BS. The classic case of a frivolous lawsuit
and of course, while claiming he doesn't do it for the money, he is actually suing the estate for $30 million dollar! Same old story. If you are broke simply accuse MJ of molesting you and hope for a settlement. It has become a sport.


You didn't know MJ, Sean Lennon, among many other kids, did.
Here's what he had to say about this whole child molestation nonsense:

"it's funny. People who think Michael is a diddler always assume that bought off the families of the kids he molested. You hear it all the time..But look at me. I was one of the kids he befriended at a young age. I may have spent more time with him than almost anybody else. I've seen all kinds of people speculate that he abused me. But I think
my family is actually richer than he is. So it would be quite a trick to buy me and my mother off. It's ridiculous. No way is Mike a child abuser. Take it from me. I knew the kids he knew. I would have known if anything funny was going on. "

So why in the world should we believe Gavin Arvizo whose family had a history of exploiting celebrities and suing and falsely accusing others for money (remember the JC Penney case) and not Lennon who has no financial motivation to say good things about MJ? Name one reason!

You can also here Dr. Wayne Dyer talking about MJ here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyCZ4x0cmmg

it pretty much sums up who MJ really was

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grown men (and women) don't get into beds with little kids


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Damn those enabling parents then.

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The parents are enablers then.

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He was a good and wonderful person

I love you, Kristen Stewart. :) You are so beautiful and talented. I would love to perform with you.

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