ok all previous Indys have been summer, but so was Star Wars and didnt do badly when changed to winter for the sequels (and the one time they went back to summer 'Solo' it bombed, similar box office to Dial)
This summer has been taken by surprise by the Barbie/Oppenheimer double
Other Xmas 24 are moving now due to the strike (Ghostbusters), so just Aquaman2 as competition (last DCEU) and Wonka
So Dial of Destiny could've been the movie to see this Christmas. couldn't have done much worse
I think that a big reason why this movie failed was because its a forgotten character, I can't think anyone under 30 genuinely excited for this movie.
Me in particular, I skipped this movie because of the spoilers regarding how the character was written for this installment - I did not want to watch one of my childhood heroes as a fragile old man.
Here's the thing. We all get old and fragile. While Indy was indeed older and not as agile in previous installments. He still has a bunch of vigor left. Plus we have already seen him old in the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles at the age of 93.
Indy at the age of 70 in this film ride a horse through New York, punched a few guys half his age, scuba dived, climbed , got shot and a few other daring things. Don't run from age....we all get there
Sooner rather than later...
If anything it's a reminder that we all get old but we can also still be part of the world....
I think it's more the later than the former. Indy is still in demand culturally to the older generation, but nobody can convince themselves that an 80 year old man is an action star.
No, the movie had always failed. I really wanted to like the movie, but it is just mediocre. It is better in general as Crystal Skull, because it does not have scenes like Mudd as Tarzan. But Wombat is as interesting as Mudd, the movie does not feel often like Indiana Jones and formost too many mediocre way to long action scenes. Not sure what went wrong, but Mangold could have kept the budget easily reasonable, if Tangier had been cut completely and New York and the Intro cut down drastically. Then the movie had been more reasonable 100 Minutes and likely 100M less in costs. Easier to position, easier to attract people and at least the old fans wouldn't be bored out. Only then the movie would have had a chance to not flop.
As it is, no chance, more as projected 500M was always imo questionable for a series, which spark absolute no interest in the current main box office target group and the damage Crystal Skull did to the franchise.
Well MI did awful as well. The current demographic for that is probably double Harrison Fords. Most of indys fans are either dead or too fat, old and bitter to leave the couch. Thankfully I'm neither.......well I'm older but In great shape.... 😂
MI was crushed by Barbenheimer. Male demographic would rather opt for Nolan in IMAX, while female demographic goes to Barbie + their partner. I don't know many people who would go into three movies in one month, but I know, I would rather skip the 7th movie of a series as a Nolan movie. Cruise should have moved the movie to September, its basically dead. Or crush Warners box office heyday with the box office bomb from DCEU in mid August.
Don't care to see a toy story rip off and know all about Oppenheimer. The only two movies worth it to go see imo this summer was Indy and MI. I made sure to see Indy because it will be one of the last times ever to see a film of an 80's icon. Theaters will be gone soon. So I had to go. Glad I did. I enjoyed it. Now I will be seeing MI this week...
Maybe it's because I'm a film buff, but I see at least a film a week in a theater. I used to catch 5 to 10 films in a theater per week, but there are fewer options to see films in a theater these days, but I'd go nearly daily were there enough theaters showing enough good films near me to warrant it.
I am too, but already because of time constraints, I prefer to watch them at home. I can wait for movies usually, but its definitely not normal. I even see with my colleagues that they discuss Barbenheimer, before that I only heard things like "Ohh, Chalamet is so cute" or discussion about the newest MCU.
No. Run times can get way too short. It was shorter than MI. Didn't hear one person bitch about the run time on that. 2 hours and 24 minutes flew by and I wanted more.
Tangier was just bad, the intro and New York could have been also cut. Considering the price tag of 300M, shorten the scenes before filming had been also very helpful for the budget. I haven't watched yet MI7 (this weekend likely), but from my experiences of the soft-reboot MI (from 4), the action scenes will be likely more substantial and interesting as watching a 80yo Grandpa riding a CGI horse or jumping from Tuktuk to Tuktuk in a Greenscreen.
I don't think it was competition that hurt the film. Look at nearly every other film that's been released of late. With only a couple exceptions, all films are underperforming at the box office. During the Covid lockdown, people became accustomed to streaming films at home, and studios acquiesced to their, in my opinion, short-sighted laziness. Movies seem to appear for "free" on streaming platforms very soon after they hit theaters, sometimes even the same day.
On top of that, at least in the U.S., we're facing inflation levels far higher than at any point in anyone's lifetime, and a stagnating economy. People are spending less on entertainment, and a trip to the movies will be one of the first things to go now that other options exist.
Look at the 2023 box office numbers and you'll see that films that would have brought in massive profits-- Transformers, Mission Impossible, Fast and Furious sequels, two MCU films, the Flash teamed up with Keaton's Batman, and now Indiana Jones and Oppenheimer-- all selling far fewer tickets than they would have, pre-pandemic.
I think also that maybe ALL steaming services should do what Netflix did and GET RID OF SHARING. Sure many will just end up paying for the service but the cheapos will go out and pay for films they really want to see. Either that or go over to a friend's house...
That could help, but honestly it seems like streaming is a broken concept. Like everything else, all the pressure is to dumb it down and make it as cheap and shitty as possible, striving for that sweet spot where it's juuuuust slightly better than the "so shitty no one will use it" level. Meanwhile, as it gradually fails it will put theaters out of business. Look to the music business for a preview of things to come: Spotify is on the verge of bankruptcy, record labels are in a freefall, and nearly no artists can make a living making music anymore. Movies will get there next.
Right. But for music most artists now make their cash from concerts. But of course you have to have a big name. Movies won't have that luxury unless they stop releasing the damn films so early. What they should do is wait at least a year for streaming and maybe 6 months for DVD/Blu-ray /4k discs.
To be honest I don't care if it implode. I'm at an age where not Much holds my interest anymore. Most of my favorite franchises (birth tv and film) are now over, have gotten really bad (Fast and Furious)
Artists make money from concerts, but that's a small number of people. The average joe working musicians are the ones who are no longer able to make a go of it.
I am older, but still a huge fan of the cinema. I've never been a franchise fan, which means I've been especially hard hit by the changes to movie-making. I loved the small budget, "art house" and indie films that seem to barely exist anymore. More than anything, I feel bad for my children, and future generations in general, who will grow up accepting the mediocrity that is streaming as the norm.
I love smaller films as well. Especially classics. But since 2008 smaller dramas and thrillers have been scarce. The debut of the MCU with Iron Man was the beginning of the end. So while I do like a few franchises. I would love to see a return of more meaningful films. But most of those films have been relegated to streamers or made into mini series.
Oppenheimer is doing pretty good, particularly for a 3 hour movie, because it cuts the amount of times it can be shown in a day. I think Barbie and Opp are showing that people are getting sequel fatigue. Hopefully original films will get pushed to the front .
Don't know if it's your bag or not, but I saw the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film yesterday, and was shocked by how much I enjoyed it. I'd probably give it the best picture Oscar for '23 if it were up to me, and I'm not usually a fan of animated films or kid's films.
And yeah, the runtime, and probably the seriousness, of Oppenheimer definitely limits the number of tickets it can sell.
I'm on old school tmnt fan, but that style animation doesn't compel me, but I planned on watching it at some point. I have tickets for the Meg 2 for Friday. Dumb popcorn movie, but I liked the first one for what it was.