Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania February 17, 2023 (flop)
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 May 5, 2023 (decent)
The Marvels November 10, 2023 (flop)
Deadpool & Wolverine July 26, 2024 (great)
Captain America: Brave New World February 14, 2025 (flop)
Thunderbolts* May 2, 2025 (decent prediction)
Just going by film, it's pretty much even. So expect Thunderbolts to do decent.
Thunderbolts looks like a shitty version of SUICIDE SQUAD which didn't exactly light the box office world on fire either
shareI think it's a better version of Suicide Squad. Suicide Squad was really bad. I say on par or near The Suicide Squad. We'll come back to this once it hits in 3 months.
shareGuardians 3 was far from a flop, grossing about $850 million. 82% of critics gave it a positive review. Its audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is 94%. That's a big success by any stretch.
Deadpool and Wolverine was reviewed positively by 78% of critics, and has the same 94% audience rating, so if that one is "great" then Guardians 3 should be "greater," no?
Quantumania was definitely less successful than either of those films, but it brought in $476 million at the box office, and has an 81% audience score.
The Marvels is the only one of the bunch that can be called a flop, as it's the only MCU film to lose money at the box office. It does have an 80% audience score, so those who DID see it liked it.
It's too early to tell for the new Captain America film. It seems to be performing well at the box office, and audiences are reviewing it favorably.
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I never said GoTG3 was a flop. I said it was decent (as in it did well), lol. Decent is not a flop. :P
I went by profit margins. People liking the show on the other hand varies from person to person. The minimum for decent is $500m. The minimum for great is $1b.
The first Ant-Man, released in 2015, earned a total of around $500 million, which was a success against its relatively small $130-$160 million budget. The second film - Ant-Man and the Wasp - outgrossed its predecessor, earning around $620 million. 3rd installment had an even higher budget but lowest of the 3 in profits.
I like how you literally skipped the tomatometer of Quantumania and only mentioned popcornmeter while mentioning both in the previous two. Popcornmeter isn't even a genuine measure since fans generally rate high on shows they already like. Show me a Marvel film with a popcornmeter below 70% other that Captain Marvel (excluding 2008 Hulk since it's so close).
You're right that it's too early to tell atm but I am in part making humor and prediction at the same time on the pattern I see forming for Phase 5.
Isn't the definition of a flop typically a movie that loses money? Of the 34 MCU films that preceded the new Captain America film, 33 were profitable. Only The Marvels lost money.
The fan ratings on Rotten Tomatoes aren't a perfect way to gauge the popularity of a film, but they make for a decent indicator. And you're right, nearly all the MCU films have had high audience scores. Captain Marvel is an anomaly due to the review-bombing it endured, and it's almost certain that an accurate fan score would be in the 80s, but who knows?
Mostly, it seems like you were trying to massage the numbers to fit your narrative of the flop/decent/flop pattern, when in reality the MCU has been hit, hit, hit.