Not sure if someone already brought this up yet tried going through the countless threads and posts but got tedious after awhile.
So my question for you all is: If the aliens are not hostile then why did they land on the planet? If they were on a non hostile mission trying to connect a new race from space would have been alot smarter and not taken in a hostile act. the very fact they showed up with armed ships (which could be an escort fleet for a diplomat i will give) and then landed on the planet is very hostile in nature.
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They crashed into a satellite which for all we know they could have thought it was a space mine. They were hostile from the start. They wanted our resources.
They crashed into a satellite which for all we know they could have thought it was a space mine. They were hostile from the start. They wanted our resources.
The simple answer is that the aliens are hostile, but they are simply the most retarded aliens in the universe. Plot twist: this is a movie written by bottom-of-the-barrel screen writers.
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Travel light years avoiding obstacles over billions of miles - crashes with earth satellite.
The simple answer is that the aliens are hostile, but they are simply the most retarded aliens in the universe.
This is true. They fly all that way across the galaxy and run into a satellite when they reach Earth. It's like driving across country and having a fatal accident when you get to the driveway.
The simple answer is that the aliens are hostile, but they are simply the most retarded aliens in the universe. Plot twist: this is a movie written by bottom-of-the-barrel screen writers.
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Travel light years avoiding obstacles over billions of miles - crashes with earth satellite.
It was a long trip, and maybe the guy driving was very tired, maybe even fell asleep.
"Hey you wanna swap out? You look kinda tired."
"I'm fine! We're almost there. Trying to get credit for the landing? You did that when we landed at planet Glypthkalon."
"We almost hit their moon."
"What are you talking about? It wasn't even close."
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You guys are really funny. This is a dumb movie for the masses. There;s very little basis in any kind of reality, but here you are trying to debate the reality of it.
I never caught WHY the aliens ended up on Earth. Passing by and crashed? passing by for a look see? Recon? Planet domination? Eat humans? I don't know.
We also put human psychology into the aliens, even when we're trying to see alien point of view...lol at irony there.
I caught on right away the Navy does not work anywhere near what this move portrays...even during transmission silence and unidentified contact. But hey,,,if you can watch Red Tails you can watch this.
I know this is kinda bar chat over some beers, but just watch and enjoy a cheap Hollywood-Whore guilty-pleasure flick and don't get to deep with it.
Actually there is a very real aspect to this movie, and all the movies that portray people like some of the posters on this board-the posters who want to believe that aliens are warm and fuzzy, the posters who believe that if aliens are smart enough to travel the cosmos, they're also benevolent and they will only come here to help us. That aspect can be summed up in SETI, which stands for the Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence. Think about it. Since the middle of the twentieth century, the warm-and-fuzzy-aliens crowd, so amply represented on this board, has been spending millions of tax dollars in an attempt to contact alien life. Far be it from me to say that it would be wrong to someday participate in the larger civilization of the galaxy, if it's out there. But at this point in time? When we can't even get around our own solar system and we would have no realistic hope of defending ourselves against hostile intruders? This was a fun popcorn movie, but the humans barely beat a tiny recon force and even that victory was due mostly to luck. However silly the movie, the question is valid-should we be screaming to the heavens that we're here on a fat happy little planet with no way to defend ourselves and lots of nice resources? If the idea that of course technologically advanced aliens will be friendly was confined to IMDB posters with poor critical thinking skills, it wouldn't be so serious. Unfortunately, there are people with a lot of college degrees and credibility advertising our location and helplessness and using a lot of our money to do so. That is a valid topic of discussion, even on a message board for a silly popcorn movie. I would also point out that Stephen Hawking agrees with me. In his book A Brief History of Time, he suggests that alerting extraterrestrial intelligences to our existence is foolhardy, citing mankind's history of treating his fellow man harshly in meetings of civilizations with a significant technology gap. He suggests, in view of this history, that we "lay low".
and again you prove my point about the futility of it. You keep thinking like a human- even when you think you are thinking like an alien- and no matter how clever you think you are you can't escape it.
And again you prove my point that your reasoning is a fallacy. Since there are no aliens to work with at this point in time, all we can do is reason like humans. I would think that any halfway intelligent person would be able to accept the plain truth that there can be no meeting of cultures when there is only one culture available to be considered. It's the height of foolishness to say that reasonable people cannot postulate theories just because there has been no alien contact.
And again you prove how STUPID you are. I never said you COULDN'T posit theories. I said it was futile that you do so. And you don't post it like it's a fantasy...you post like they are actual events.
Hey bro don't let me stop you. Never said you couldn't, not sure why you are arguing that. In case you didn't know..."futile" does not mean "don't".
If you are going to posit alien theories...attempt to be truly alien. Don't act like your human theories would be alien just because you say they are. Aliens might land on the planet to fart. And we start a war of the universe. The total possibilities are endless and beyond our puny comprehension.
But hey bro don't let me stop you. Maybe just enjoy the movie for a dumb stupid human movie and not try to pretend like you know why aliens do what they do...even in a dumb stupid human movie.
if the aliens were non-hostile, they might still have been carrying weapons because they knew the planet they were coming to was inhabited and they would have no idea if the inhabitants would be hostile towards them. i understand the argument that they were non-hostile because they actually didn't attack until something happened that made them feel threatened. and they came in such a small force it seemed more like a reconnaissance mission than an act of aggression.
that being said, non-hostile aliens would attempt some other type of contact first. they'd send a message or a probe. they wouldn't just show up with 5 armed ships, even if that is a tiny military force.
i think the inability to clarify this plot point is one of the flaws of the movie, actually.
I think it's pretty clear, actually. I'll never understand the argument that the aliens didn't attack until they were attacked. They captured the Hawaiian Islands. There is no way to spin that as a non-hostile action. If they were just scared and hiding and waiting for help, they wouldn't have put up a giant force field around the indigenous life forms. If they needed to phone home for help and they were non-hostile, they would have tried to communicate with the indigenous life forms and asked for the phone-they wouldn't have wiped out a military base (which didn't attack them) and destroyed part of a freeway (killing everybody on that section of the freeway-also people who didn't attack them) and they wouldn't have killed the cops who didn't attack them on the mountain. We see lots of killing from the aliens, and they're not just killing people who attack them. They're killing non-combatants. Some posters have shrugged that off as collateral damage, like somehow that makes it less hostile. I mean, I agree that the movie could have lost the sympathetic alien at the satellite base, and skipped the part where the razor wheel didn't roll over the kid on the baseball field, but I don't think that it would have made a difference. Some people are determined to see aliens as the good guys no matter what and are incapable of realizing that advanced technology does not necessarily mean advanced benevolence.
Does anyone remember the scene in which Hopper pulls off the alien's helmet and as it wakes up it has some sort of flashback?
My take is the aliens are running from war with another alien species that is wiping them out, they are refugees from a genocide on their own world... ect.
This would put them on edge from the beginning and make them touchy as to what humans would do. They didn't really react until they thought they were in danger, and they took steps to limit civilian casualties. We don't know why they killed the cops as we never what really happened after the alien pulls off the door of the cop car. Perhaps, already thinking that humans have declared war on them, they saw uniforms and took them to be soldiers.
I don't think they were aggressors, but at the same time, I don't think they came in peace to make first contact. They were running from something.
Does anyone remember the scene in which Hopper pulls off the alien's helmet and as it wakes up it has some sort of flashback?
That is incorrect. The alien grabs Hopper and does a mind meld with him, the most reasonable interpretaion being that it is showing him what the aliens have done to other worlds. Like Independence Day. It is logical to assume that the alien is making a threat towards Hopper, in the context of the unfailingly hostile actions of the aliens once they landed on Earth.
They didn't really react until they thought they were in danger, and they took steps to limit civilian casualties.
They captured a large piece of our territory. That is a hostile action and they were not reacting to anything. They attacked the freeway and killed a large number of civilians-i.e. they were not trying at all to limit civilian casualities on the freeway, they didn't care how many civilians were killed as long as the base was cut off.
We don't know why they killed the cops as we never what really happened after the alien pulls off the door of the cop car. Perhaps, already thinking that humans have declared war on them, they saw uniforms and took them to be soldiers.
Nonsense. We see the shredded bodies of the cops on the mountain after the aliens got done with them. And never mind "the humans declared war" foolishness. The aliens were protecting the satellite so they could phone home-our satellite, which they did not even try to ask to use. Their behavior is that of a home invader who wants to use the phone and kills everyone in the way.
I don't think they were aggressors, but at the same time, I don't think they came in peace to make first contact. They were running from something.
More nonsense. People running from something don't pick a fight with the first people they see. If the aliens were really refugees and not violent aggressors, they would have at least made some attempt to contact the humans on this planet. Furthermore, your proposition is completely illogical because they were trying so hard to use the satellite to send a message. People running from something do not send signals that can be traced across vast distances. They hide, and if they find a safe place, they send a message. People who are on a recon mission for an invasion, on the other hand, do try to send a message for reinforcements as soon as possible. Logically, the alien's actions are those of hostile aggressors, not scared refugees.
Is there a person other than zanza that would like to have an intelligent discussion about this. Everywhere I look on any thread in this board if a person claims the Aliens might not have been hostile he shows up calling it nonsense like he's on some sort of mission or something. It boarders on OCD. And is most likely making others not want to have that discussion.
IF there is anyone else that would like to have that discussion feel free to post and we will ignore zanza.
If your idea of having an intelligent discussion is to ignore the only person who has anything intelligent to say, you are too stupid to have a decent discussion with.
The aliens were NON-HOSTILE...well to be more exact, they were neither hostile or friendly. The story actually made sense. They only red-coded humans when attacked with weapons (i.e. the warning shot from the Samson just whizzed by their ship and then they fired back, or whenever a human fired on them they painted them as red).
These guys were only seeking metals. This was also mentioned, that their technology contained metals that didn't exist in the periodic table with the exception of one metal. Maybe that's what they were searching on earth or they were a mining vessel or communications crew. This also explains why their fighting technology weren't all that impressive and seemed mostly for defence. The aliens also did not have guns, only those blade/knife extensions for self-protection.
The shield they created was for protection from the sun, not for a military purposes.
The Americans idea was to kill off the communication to stop their actual fighters from coming in and begin mining on earth, which makes total sense. However, they didn't need to start a war...but then what else is new...Muhricah.
Not hostile so much as invasive. It would be like someone cutting down trees to build a cabin in the woods. They haven't set out to kill critters, and would probably spare any critter trying to flee, but they aren't to leave a tree standing just because it has a nest in it.
I believe one of their ships, the comm ship, crashed and went AWOL. They were naturally suspicious and on edge, cause maybe that was their main diplomatic ship. This movie is hilarious the more I think about it, really turns the mirror on the American military. Prob one of the big redeeming features of this movie, for me.
They coulda just killed off the main character when they broke in, really, really easily, to rescue their injured comrade. This movie was like a cinematic *beep* you, dumbarses message slyly inserted into the plot.
I know this conversation is old, but I just re-watched the movie. Frist we have no idea if the radio signal that we sent was in fact harmful to the aliens. Second we see that they are like predator by not attacking non-hostile people and objects.
However; we do seem then targeting infrastructure when they attack the island, which is a common tactic in invasions. We also see them attack the Marine base taking out all military aircraft.
I don't think they would have taken out the ships if they didn't attack them in the first place. To the Aliens, the ships were just in the way. Their main mission was sending back a call home.
But, if they are or are not hostile shouldn't be an issue. We saw via ID4 mind meld that they are hostile. Hopper saw them "taking" over planets or at least showing them a warring race.
The aliens were on a strange planet with limited resources, light years away from home and no way to communicate their situation.
They were obviously aggressive. Mind meld aside, they showed up with warships. It kinda makes their intentions obvious.
The whole red target/green target thing is VERY easy to get with a little common sense.
They didn't give a rat's butt about not hurting people. They only used their limited resources when there was an immediate threat. They were obviously soldiers of some type as well, following specific protocol and not gun happy rednecks.
Not really hard to figure out.
Or I could be totally wrong. Movie kinda sucks so who cares?
They crashed here after invitation... they were on the back foot the whole time. The weapons they deployed were clearly mining stuff and not actual military weapons.