are battleships
obsolete?
how defined
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this article shows how their engagements in Desert Storm showed how not obsolete they are
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/battleships-pulled-off-the-biggest-ruse-of-operation-de-1754104974
On February 3rd, the Wisconsin fulfilled her first call for naval gunfire support since 1952 when she rippled off eleven 16 inch shells over 20 miles at an Iraqi artillery position in southern Kuwait. The fire support was coordinated by a Marine OV-10 Bronco. Like the big Battleships, the Broncos would prove their worth despite their age and supposed obsolescence during the conflict.
It would be the first time an enemy surrendered to an unmanned vehicle and a testament as to how brutally powerful the Battleships’ main battery were, even in the modern era of so called “smart warfare.”
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desert storm was 25 years ago...
shareyes, it's been 25 years, because the navy admirals think they are obsolete, but they showed their true strength there. make your own determination from that.
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And you have completely taken from the article that which was not intended. Add to that... that Tyler Rogoway gets a lot of sh!t wrong himself on a great many articles....
No.. the Battleships ARE obsolete.
Yes they are powerful.
But the cost of maintaining those very VERY old ships with their very VERY old powerplants... was far more costly than any gain from their capabilities.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
you have completely taken from the article that which was not intended.
i'm pretty sure the conclusion of his article is that battleships aren't obsolete (rightly or wrongly). He even calls them "irreplaceable weapons".
Even though the Battleships had proven to be irreplaceable weapons considering the strategy that was put into play during Desert Storm, the conflict would be their last
hat Tyler Rogoway gets a lot of sh!t wrong himself on a great many articles....
I hope you are there to correct him...
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Yes and no. Could they still be useful in modern warfare? Absolutely.. The reason nations are no longer building them isn't because they aren't still useful. They are, the reason is they aren't as useful as they once were and are just too damn expensive to warrant constructing. A rough estimate, but I'm guessing a cost as high as 10 billion dollars, roughly the price of 10 destroyers.
shareBattleships are primarily useful against enemies without modern air power. There would be hardly any way for a battleship to protect itself against advanced aircraft and missile technology. The roles have reversed since WWII, and the last major battleship engagements: battleships used to protect carriers, but now carriers would need to protect battleships.
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shore bombardment
they can still be useful as artillery to bombard coastal areas.
but: there's not much need to spend 200 million and more to build an artillery that is very vulnerable to aerial attacks (planes, missiles) as well as coastal defense (any artillery with sufficient range).
that is why actually no navy maintains battleships any more. the money spent on them goes into missile cruisers and airplanes which do have more range, are less costly and more precise.
I consider myself an amateur military historian. My readings have brought to me the same decision re: battleships. Our missile and aircraft technology is so advanced, now, that there is really no need for gigantic warships to engage in shore bombardment.
Harry Turtledove wrote a series of alternate-history novels where aliens invaded the earth during WWII; the aliens were prepared to defend themselves against self-propelled missiles and rockets, but their defenses couldn't protect them against the shells from the enormous German WWII bombardment guns.
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Yes. They have been replaced by Destroyers, which are fare more advanced and smaller.
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Every person that served can be called a veteran, but not every veteran can be called a Marine.
Not in the US navy. Despite obscenely large budgets, the USN has a lot of obsolete equipment
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