I don't know if this has already been brought up before, but realistically speaking. Does anyone know how long it would take to get a battleship re-activated. What I mean is have them seaworthy, running under their own power (engines) turrets, and crew to serve aboard. I'm not referring mainly to the Missouri either, the other Iowa-class ships ready to be in service. Anyone who knows I appreciate the knowledge, I mean even though this movie is fun to watch. There is just no way they could just walk on board, fire up the engines, cut the chains from her dock and move out!
The Iowas, specifically the Missouri and the Wisconsin are supposed to be kept in a state that allows them to reactivated quickly just in case, so they should already be seaworthy. But to get her moving under her own power...would be about four hours to build up the needed steam pressure for the engines. The rest can be handwaved as running on a skeleton crew, just barely enough to run the ship since the plan was to just sail it into weapons range of the comm-station.
The Iowas, specifically the Missouri and the Wisconsin are supposed to be kept in a state that allows them to reactivated quickly just in case, so they should already be seaworthy.
Quickly being a relative term. It would take 14 months to 2 years to get Missouri or Wisconsin ready for active duty again.
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It ain't like a Car that's been in storage, Check the tires and fluids and make sure it's got gas and you're good to go.
These ships are now Museums. They have been fully deactivated. It would take a LOT of restorative work to return them to battle readiness. 2 years is a conservative estimate. Most likely it would take much longer and probably cost prohibitive. You could build a brand new Destroyer in less time and possible for less money than restoring these old ships back to service.
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In all fairness, the USA could build a battleship from scratch in the time frame you mentioned. It all depends on the nations determination and leadership. The last few battleships were built in less than 2.5 years. Liberty ships were pumped out one a month. So at the time more effort could clearly have been focused on the battleships. I would imagine if the nation wanted to they could nationalise one of these BB museums and have it modernized manned and ready in less than six months. Though we could, it is far more likely we never will. Large seagoing ships are obsolete in any future world war. They are only useful for a larger bully state to project it's power over a smaller non nuclear state. America has also lost its last three wars economically. Major losses that have impacted the nation heavily. Imagine the insanity of spending over one billion dollars for each Al quaida killed. Well we did. Each one of those terrorists could have been a ballistic missile sub, or a b1 bomber. Bought food for the entire planet to end world hunger,bought every voter an electric vehical, paid for free health care or free college. The hemorrhage of free (not fair) trade, our perpetual wars of profit (for a few), and our corrupt politicians have set this nations course on self destruction. Soon enough we will probably be a foot note in history. The greatest failed experiment in history. Imagine the idiocy, people being able to rule themselves. Àlmost as stupid as entrusting your future to a politician.
In all fairness, you have no clue what the hell you're talking about.
Concerning Build times of warships:
You are comparing the build times of Battleships and Liberty ships from a time when we were tooled up for and had an assembly line in place for them... to now where we would be starting from scratch and without those workers with experience in putting them together. We could eventually return to a time where we could pump them out that fast... after a suitable build up period in retooling the shipyards to handle it and after a few were more laboriously and time consumingly built to gain experience for the yardworkers. but not now.
Concerning Money spent per Al Qaeda death: Not even close to 1 billion per death. That is a fantasy number pulled out of your ass. Billions were spent in war, true, but not 1 billion per Al Qaeda death. Not even close.
Concerning where that money could have been better spent: You must be a graduate of the Bernie Saunders Socialist school of economics if you think that money could buy what you claim.
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One per month doesn't necessarily mean it only takes one month to build a single liberty ship. If it takes 3 months to build a liberty ship and you have 3 factories building them, that would still average 1 per month. Likewise, if you have a single assembly pipeline, and each stage of the pipeline takes 1 month, then it would still pump out 1 ship per month even though the full assembly of a single ship takes 3 months.
I don't think time is the main issue. Not sure, but Missouri is a museum, why does it have fuel and ammo aboard at all ?
Another scene that doesn't look very realistic was their anchor maneuver. The ship was moving at full speed, shouldn't the chain be torn apart or more likely chain holder just ripped off ? Then again, will the ship's hull survive such trick - moving it sideways like that ?
by MaxPhilips Another scene that doesn't look very realistic was their anchor maneuver. The ship was moving at full speed, shouldn't the chain be torn apart or more likely chain holder just ripped off ?
or possibly the anchor would break whatever rock it snagged.
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I was stationed on the USS Shenandoah AD-44 and worked on the Missouri for 6 months in 1984 getting it ready for recommission prior to the first gulf war. We worked mainly on upgrades to the boiler room and ventilation system. When I left the ship was still at least a year away from fleet service.
The upgrades performed then would not be enough to earn a Battle "E" under today's standards so you would basically be on an a ship with obsolete weapons systems and guidance. I am sure it is sea worthy but I wouldn't want to be the captain because I doubt if it is battle ready.
Well considering that they are only preserved as Museums no longer apart of the mothball fleet. It would take some time to get them going. Also since the odds that there are still munitions in storage that can shoot out of the canons is unlikely since they where stricken, it is unlikely that they would ever be reactivated.
I agree with having to make renovations, as they are now museums: I visited a WW-2 diesel sub in San Francisco back in 2004 (I can't remember its name), and it had been modified to be "tourist-friendly", ie: some hatches/ladderways had been converted into doorways/stairwells! The modifications were somewhat crudely done, too. Lots of bad welds.
If the Iowa class battleships suffered the same fate since their last retirement, then it would take months - if not years, to get them battle-ready again. So far as Comm/EW systems are concerned, I understand that many upgrades had been made - then removed when they were retired/turned into museums? National Security, 'ya know.
So far as munitions go: there are definitely none on-board now, HOWEVER: I was a crew member on a USAF AC-130H, back in the 1980's, and my unit was at that time, the last military unit still operating Bofors 40mm anti-aircraft guns. We had 2 of them mounted in each ship (later only one, as the second was replaced by a 105mm Howitzer that used to be mounted in the rear door), and my old unit STILL operates some of them, though they're being replaced by something newer, as they have officially and finally, all but exhausted the Navy's WW-2 parts and ammunition supply!!! They had finally reached the point that they had to have replacement parts manufactured again.
So, having said that, even considering the fact that the ships have officially been retired, I'm pretty certain that there's a warehouse somewhere - maybe in Seal Beach, maybe at Pearl, that still has ammunition for the 16" guns, sitting in a corner somewhere, "for a rainy day".
Another example, would be the WW-2 PT boats: as they were retired, they were turned into commercial fishing boats. I know of 2 1/2 of them, that have been restored to original combat configuration. Out of service for over 60 years, and you can still find all of the original pieces!
My experience is based simply on how I know that the government tends to do things.
I visited a WW-2 diesel sub in San Francisco back in 2004 (I can't remember its name)
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So far as Comm/EW systems are concerned, I understand that many upgrades had been made - then removed when they were retired/turned into museums? National Security, 'ya know.
All sensitive equipment will be stripped from a vessel on deactivation, this is true... but moreso because a lot of that equipment is reused on new constructions.
The Missouri's SLQ-32 Installation is likely right at this moment underway at sea on some Arleigh Burke Class DDG.
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..... Wow! How about going at flank speed while still in Pearl Harbor?! Building up steam from "cold iron" is no quick task. Take the example of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. The onlky battleship that was able to get underway during the attack was already "fired up". The battleships at battleship row never moved apart from sinking. Honestly this film is so full of errors and plot holes they'd need a whole web site to cover them all. Put this entire silly movie under the category of requiring a total suspension of belief. Of coarse if you know absolutely nothing of the military and specifically the Navy, then you will not notice. There is also no chance of any live munitions aboard or fuel. ..... Rate this movie as complete fantasy. Dave, HM1(SW/FMF), USN/ret (that was 21 years boys & girls)
We know it's not a documentary, but it's still interesting to hear from military people about the realism stuff. At least, I find it pretty interesting.
I think when someone gives a figure like 2 years it involves paperwork, getting the crew together, proper clearances, weaponry, etc., but for the sake of the urgency presented in the film, I can believe that they ignored all the precautions and just waited for it to fuel before heading off.
but for the sake of the urgency presented in the film, I can believe that they ignored all the precautions and just waited for it to fuel before heading off.
Clearly you do not know what you are talking about.
It is not a matter of just having fuel and the rest is just beaurocratic paperwork for safety.
A museum ship is not in working order. much of its guts have been ripped out. All classified equipment removed. The ship has been "demilitarized". Anything still useful has been removed and made use of elsewhere in the Navy.
Its a museum now, Not a warship just needing fuel and a crew.
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I don't know about a "battleship" but I do know it takes 2 weeks to fire up the "Flying Scotsman" from cold and that is from a fully working train not having been run for a month.
Well, let's just say that these battleships were sold/given to the cities that wanted them, as museums. They had all ammunition removed, all fuel oil, lube oil, feed water, flammables, etc removed as well...
They are museums, not exactly candidates for re-commissioning. That is the first thing. But to make it even more implausible, even if they had the necessary consumables still on board, and the ammunition, it would physically take a minimum of 1 hour to build a sufficient head of steam to even open the main steam stop valves to get the shafts turning, not the 30 seconds it appears to take in the movie, heh heh...
So, the bottom line is that it was just a cutsie movie fantasy to have the Missouri in the movie at all...that's from a retired USN Chief Machinist Mate, who has alot of personal experience as an Engine Room Snipe...
Sure it is pure fantasy that with a skeleton crew of old sailors and motivated young sailors that they were able to get the Big Mo ready for combat against the alien mothership, but it was still fun to watch.
Meh, its not even the U.S.S Missouri you see in the movie any way, its the U.S.S Iowa So even on that point the movie is inaccurate.
Wondering about the armament though, because its mentioned that all the Iowa-class battleships where upgraded in the 80s to also carry Tomahawk, Harpoon and Stinger missiles. Something one should think would be more easy for them to get their hands on at the naval base, than these huge and extremely heavy grenades.