There was one one black guy in this movie and he was such a dick. He must have known how the remark about the designated driver would have gone over with Charlie. Why was he baiting him? What was his problem?
He's just *beep* like that. And Charlie was acting like a wimp in his eyes (not saying Charlie was a wimp, the guy just saw him being wimpy). He was probably a bit drunk too, some people are mean drunks.
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I dont want to start a war of racism here.
I felt it was rather tasteless to take the one minority character and make him out to be such a ----, then have charlie deck him, even though he deserves it.
Overall, I really liked the movie. There were some secondary characters that I found very irritatiing. I think the parts should been cast differently.
Yeah, it kinda was. Cause he was like the ONLY background character of color. If they'd had others of color, it wouldn't have been as bad, but I understand what you meant.
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starduster is right to a point...there are all kinds of nasty people in this world whether they are black, white, green or purple..this character was not in the book and took me a little by surprise..
i think the point that was trying to be made here is that charlie stood up for himself when the character didn't think he had it in him...that was the whole point of the confrontation..nothing to do with racism at all...i'm sorry that you were offended by it...
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There was nothing in their conversation that had to due with race so unless there is some proven racial history between them there is no way this would be misconstrued as being a racial attack. One guy was a dick and they got into a fight. That's it.
shareYeah just to underline Susan point. It is my view that there is no element of racism at all. The Goldman Sachs guy was top of his game, a really succesful man and was not one of the many guys fired (presumably of all races) so this proves his status in the world. He was a succesful sailor, apparently well positioned and monied, and carried animosity towards Charlie for being succesful even in school when he won the race. His friend was more engaging trying to bring Charlie into the mix, hence Charlie actually engaging with them. He was invited and attended because his best mate's aniversary and the blind date which was set up. Charle did look over to check Tess reaction before finally hitting the punch. This was more a mark of strength and marking of territories rather than racism.
I believe that the fact that the man was portrayed as successful in a high powered exec world proves there was no racism involved and could have quite easily been of any race or creed. His arrogance (or being a "dick" where he obviously thought he was untouchable and could say what he wanted to people) was merely a character trait of the successful man.
I like it. Because people like you don't like it. Un-PC things are great.
shareI think a lot of it stems back to Charlie beating him in the sailing race at the beginning of the movie. Plus, he was just being an ass because he knew that mentioning the accident would get a rise out of Charlie.
shareWhy do you guys have to turn this into a race thing? Why can't you see him as just a man, instead of a black man?
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Discussions of race aside...
@lanie_renee2003: Yes, I agree. I think that guy provoked Charlie because he beat him at the beginning of the movie, and probably in several races before that. It seems that they had something of a rivalry.
@creatorof2002: I think they had something of a "frenemy" relationship. They seemed to be part of the same circle of friends but it looks as though the Goldman Sachs guy wanted to bring Charlie down a bit, probably because he'd envied him in high school.
I'm shocked they made the black guy the dick.
shareWow.. Im sick of hearing things like this. The guy casted for the part that HE auditioned for happened to be BLACK. I dont think that it was vital that his particular part had "Must be BLACK" written next to it.
He knew the part. He auditioned. He got it. He happened to be black.
Leave the race issue out of it. Im sick of hearing that crap everywhere.
"Oh its because hes black" blah blah.
I have plenty of black friends.
And im sick of hearing all of these things of people bringing race up everywhere.
Ive seen plenty of movies where the movie was made of basically black people, and in most cases, the white guy was the mean one that he had some tension with.
Actually, in most movies it seems the white guy is the villian rather than the black guy.
Do you see me getting annoyed and saying it was racist that the white guy playing the part had to be the "mean one" of the movie?
Seriously, get over it.
It doesnt have to do with race all the time.
And over half time, it has nothing to do with it.
I agree, it has nothing to do with his race. I kind of found it funny because I feel like most people wouldn't portray "the only black person" in a film to be the "bad guy", because usually that never happens. But they did and everyone is like OMG racist.
shareExactly. Usually its not put in there because of remarks like this. Ive seen 80+ percent of movies making a white guy the bad one, and noone makes a big deal about it.
Theres a difference between equal rights, and superior rights, which is what I think some people are trying to get at and it shouldnt be that way.
Give it a rest.
If the dude had a problem with it, he wouldnt have even auditioned for the part.
"Ive seen 80+ percent of movies making a white guy the bad one, and noone makes a big deal about it."
Wow. You're an idiot. Unless of course you claim that ALL of those aforementioned movies had an ALL black cast, all black extras, black director, writer, producer, and so on. If not, then your argument is invalid.
MinaBabaei, actually it is you thats the idiot.
I said 80 percent plus of the movies IVE SEEN have NOT had a black character has a villain. In fact, most movies make it a damn point to have the black guy as the "comedic" one who always lightens to mood. So yeah, the argument is not invalid.
The point was, it was stupid for this issue to come about as a result of him being black.
Why don't you watch a few movies, and look at who the bad guy is in most cases... White. Do you see me getting pissed, or even thinking that white has to do with it? No.
It is what it is, and race had nothing to do with it, so get over yourselves.
I kind of found it funny because I feel like most people wouldn't portray "the only black person" in a film to be the "bad guy", because usually that never happens.
1. i didn't care that the black dude was a total douchebag,
2. but in the real world the minority especially in this case (a black minority - who happens to be VERY dark skinned) where he is in a very small town that is very predominantly white you want to stand out and fit in and not stand out in a bad light. for someone that is educated and probably comes from a good family - there is just no way he would act the way he did. that scene was just random.
3. i thought the movie was very touching and in the beginning i really did shed tears.
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As a black chick, it does annoy me in movies when the ONE black person just HAS to be mean, rude, obnoxious, or just ghetto. It's like...erm okay then. I can understand if one black person was mean out of a few, but god why does the ONE black guy have to be a dick?! I just don't understand ahahah.
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I'm also a black chick, and I had absolutely no problem with the scene. All I thought was "Why do some people have to be dicks?" and was happy when he got clocked.
If all people see is "Black man being mean" and not "Man being mean", there certainly is a problem. If he were a white guy, people would just wonder why that guy was a jerk. But no...not only do we have to point out he's black, we somehow have to now worry he's a jerk because he's black?
I can understand that black Americans have been stereotyped in films in the past. They key here is to not turn that scene into anything other than what it was: a guy, who may have been a little drunk, and perhaps never really like Charlie much to begin with, making a crappy comment and paying for it with his teeth.
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Thanks PurpleNiobe. You said it greatly. Thank you for being black, and seeing that it wasn't meant to be racist. I am in no way racist, and i can't stand those that are.
But it really is annoying when people try to say that "Oh well hes black, so theyre trying to make people hate on him since he is" because its very rare that is the case...
Really, one of the only movies that even come to mind with a black villain is Candyman. A black serial killer. How often do you even hear of a black serial killer in movies? Almost never haha. Always has to be "The crazy white guy".
And i dont even care about that. Its a movie, not the real world.
I actually thought it was pretty refreshing... the most post-racial thing I have seen in a while. Dicks come in the United Colors of Benetton. It's cool that the black guy was not shown in a patronizing way as Efron's buddy or something.
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He was a dick, who happened to be black. Had a white guy been cast instead you would have probably complained about no black people being cast. And his white friend wasn't much less of a dick. I fail to see the importance of his race.
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