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The day nothing of value was lost.
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Agreed.
shareFloyd was a piece of shit and the world is better off without him, but once Floyd was handcuffed, in custody, and no longer a safety threat to the officers, Chauvin shouldn't have kept his knee on Floyd's neck.
At that point, it's no longer a case of a cop subduing a criminal but a case of an asshole cop tormenting a person in custody and possibly or even likely leading to his death.
In an age where cops are being unfairly targeted as racists and murderers, we have this asshole Chauvin giving the anarchists just the ammunition they wanted, on video no less.
Cops are being told to stand down during riots now so even text book arrests are avoided. Nothing was lost? Really?
I don't know if Chauvin caused Floyd's death or not, but he's just as much a piece of shit that Floyd was. One is dead and the other is in prison where he belongs.
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Or how about:
"Scummy, career criminal high on lethal amounts of Fentanyl, bemoans his lack of oxygen (after stealing it all his miserable life) becomes a hero to self-hating, sycophantic, leftist apologists, still butthurt over the orange president, conveniently using this dead piece of shit death as an excuse to burn down their own cities (despite never wanting to live amongst the very subsection they constantly defend) whilst always conveniently ignoring the disproportionate black-on-black murders decade-in, decade-out part II - Electric Boogaloo"
Any leftists unaware of what a 'sycophant' is...feel free to look it up in either a dictionary (or a mirror)
Much Ado About Nothing
I Can’t Breathe….Yet, I’m Talking…
To a person with other co-morbidities, reducing oxygen causes stress on the heart. Sure, he had enough air to gasp out plea to let him breathe unhindered, but loss of blood oxygen increases stress dramatically, particularly when it takes place over almost ten minutes.
And of course *nothing* at all to do with the lethal amounts of fentanyl in his system?
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That's a co-morbidity. Did Chauvin have Floyd's medical history or a drug analysis before he reduced his oxygen?
Chauvin was merely carrying out a restraining procedure that had been sanctioned and utilised for many years prior. Perhaps if St. George had not taken drugs, resisted arrest when previously detained in the police car.....or better yet.... *not* commit fucking crime in the first place.....both men would be in better places right about now?
But very telling that the 'left' seem to side with the criminal, time-after-time?
So yes, I *do* find the fentanyl issue a factor.
It'll be a completely different story, if/when one of these poor misguided souls /career criminals decides to beat and rob you (or yours) after their sixth or seventh chance in the (systematically racist) prison system.
You'll be thankful for the likes of chauvin then, trust me?
Chauvin was merely carrying out a restraining procedure that had been sanctioned and utilised for many years prior.
Not exactly. Chauvin *kept* his knee on Floyd's neck long after he was handcuffed. That's where he violated policy according to his own chief:
https://apnews.com/article/derek-chauvin-trial-live-updates-c3e3fe08773cd2f012654e782e326f6e
The whole crux of this is why Chauvin continued to kneel on Floyd's neck once he was submissive. That's where it goes from police policy to police brutality. I never thought Chauvin was a racist, I just think he's an equal opportunity asshole who would target anyone.
It'll be a completely different story, if/when one of these poor misguided souls /career criminals decides to beat and rob you (or yours) after their sixth or seventh chance in the (systematically racist) prison system.
That's totally unrelated to what happened. The failure of our justice system to punish career criminals has nothing to do with our police apprehending them. We can't have vigilante justice, even if it's by the police. By that stretch, would you suggest that police should summarily execute career thugs like Floyd to prevent a law abiding people like you and me from being harmed by them?
I shed no tears over Floyd, who as I said in my first post was a POS. The world is better off without him. What we don't need are thugs like Chauvin who stir up hatred and feed the left video of police brutalizing a prisoner in custody.
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As I said, had Floyd complied in the police car, then both men would be in better places about now?
And the fact that three officers had Floyd pinned, proved that he was resisting arrest (and was being sedated) his protestations of not being able to breathe were evident long before the officers took him out of said police car?
The procedure has been used successfully before, so I'd assume that regardless of what the police chief said, the length of such restraint was only matched by Floyd's resistance to it.
What is your stance on the autopsy report and the fatal levels of fentanyl in his system?
It's not as if Chauvin (and co.) picked Floyd up for no apparent reason (it's also not as if Floyd wasn't complaining about breathing when handcuffed in the back of the policecar) so I wouldn't call it vigilantism.....just a split-second call, that all police officers have to make when apprehending pieces of shit like floyd. Had the officers eased up on him, he'd have likely tried to make a run for it.
But let's not pretend that the fentanyl played no part in Floyd's breathing problems.
As I said, had Floyd complied in the police car, then both men would be in better places about now?
Yes, but that's immaterial. We could also say that if Chauvin had taken that day off, Floyd would still be alive and Chauvin would be on Thanksgiving break getting ready for Christmas.
The procedure has been used successfully before, so I'd assume that regardless of what the police chief said, the length of such restraint was only matched by Floyd's resistance to it.
The procedure is to NOT keep a knee on a person once they are down:
Lt. Richard Zimmerman of the Minneapolis Police Department testifies in the trial of former Minneapolis police Officer Derek Chauvin.
Kneeling on George Floyd ‘s neck while he was handcuffed and lying on his stomach was top-tier, deadly force and “totally unnecessary,” the head of the Minneapolis Police Department’s homicide division testified Friday.
“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill him,” said Lieutenant Richard Zimmerman, adding that when a person is handcuffed behind their back, “your muscles are pulling back … and if you’re laying on your chest, that’s constricting your breathing even more.”
He said he has never been trained to kneel on someone’s neck if they’re handcuffed behind their back and in the prone position.
“Once you secure or handcuff a person, you need to get them out of the prone position as soon as possible because it restricts their breathing,” Lt. Zimmerman said, adding “you need to turn them on their side or have them sit up.”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-kneeling-on-george-floyds-neck-was-totally-unnecessary-lieutenant/
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Nice try, but you're omitting other factors as immaterial.
Chauvin was called out to a crime that Floyd committed.
Yes, passing counterfeit money is not exactly crime of the century....but whilst we're playing hypothetical scenarios, imagine if the arresting officer when Floyd (armed with a gun) lay siege to a pregnant woman, had a day off....or better yet....imagine that pregnant woman was your wife?
But hey-ho, let the police stay at home...just as long as criminals don't come to any harm, eh?
Floyd did nothing but repeat his "I can't breathe" line, long before he was taken out of the back of the car and leant upon. The Fentanyl (which you seem oddly shy to address) was likely the reason that Chauvin and Co restrained him for that length of time. I'm certain Chauvin had no intention of causing/assisting in any fatality that day, but when you have some career criminal, resisting arrest, whacked out of his head on drugs, you gotta make that call.
Police (all around the world) have to make these desicisions (from 1980 onwards) the average number of Police officers killed on duty is around 150+ per year.
Perhaps if criminals had a 150 days off a year, eh?
*ONE* police officer dead is bad enough, but I won't shed a tear for any scumbag criminal.
You're hypothetical response of "If Chauvin had the day off" is part of this entirely backwards (namby-pamby) mindset that now sees police increasingly weakened as a force, to the point were they have to seemingly protect people rights to commit crime.
Let's give all police the day off, yes?
Therefore no dead criminals...Nice logic.
Geaorge Floyd is not one person. George Floyd is a problem in America (and now seemingly, the western world) due to the narrative that somehow criminals can be criminals but cops can't be cops. As if somehow George Floyd has a right to commit crime and ruins peoples lives. Your (would-be) whataboutism retorts of 'Chauvin this' or 'Chauvin that' just fan the flames, that'll soon be blowing up your own ass (and it'll be a problem of your own making)
Not because of Chauvin's actions....but because people (like yourself) haven't the guts to put the onus on the criminal.
That's like blaming David Dorn for his own death (a guy who was buried faster as a news story, long before his body was)
Yeah, another hypothetical possibilty....but also another reason why the criminals are winning (and a 'civilised' society is enabling them)
You are totally missing the point. Chauvin broke police policy by kneeling on Floyd's neck after he was submissive.
“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill him,... adding that when a person is handcuffed behind their back, “your muscles are pulling back … and if you’re laying on your chest, that’s constricting your breathing even more.” “Once you secure or handcuff a person, you need to get them out of the prone position as soon as possible because it restricts their breathing,” Lt. Zimmerman said, adding “you need to turn them on their side or have them sit up.”
Floyd's criminal past is immaterial. You can't have police summarily execute career thugs, even if they did commit a *prior* offense of home invasion with a weapon. Is that what you're advocating by bringing up his past? If Floyd was killed reaching for a gun, or punching a cop in the face, then he gets what he gets. He was no threat to the officers with his hands cuffed behind him.
Let's give all police the day off, yes?
Therefore no dead criminals...Nice logic.
That's a strawman and you know it. I never said give *all* police the day off.
What I said is that if *Chauvin* wasn't there, or took a day off, or if he didn't kill Floyd, Floyd would still be alive and Chauvin would be free to brutalize someone else (Chauvin has a career of complaints - some of them must be legitimate)
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(quote) "Chauvin would be free to brutalize someone else (Chauvin has a career of complaints - some of them must be legitimate)"
And there you have it.....your mask (and agenda) slipped.
Good Luck in life, is all I have left to say to you.
Thanks. I'm living the American dream.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/derek-chauvin-minneapolis-police-background-life-2020-6
18 complaints in 19 years. Oh yeah, a true professional
That’s lovely, educational and all that but, I don’t give a shit.
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