Smoking in the show


The camera certainly seems to be in love with their cigarettes. I love the imagery, but is it too much?

Per capita cigarette consumption in the US in 1965 amounted to twelve cigarettes daily for every person aged 18+. Half of all men smoked and a third of all women, so that amounts to almost a pack and a half a day average per smoker. My recollection is that one-pack and two-pack smokers were common, and three-pack smokers not unusual. Every house had ashtray(s), and mounted table lighters were common in fancier houses. Buildings had floor-stand sand trays in the corridors. People routinely smoked everywhere that wasn't prominently posted with No Smoking signs. The whole universe was littered with cigarette butts.

Nobody I ever saw bothered with cigarette cases, though. Is that a UK thing?

On balance I'm content with how the smoking is shown. Thoughts?

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I don't think it's too much at all; I think the ubiquitous smoking is very realistic.

I guess I didn't notice about the cigarette cases. Didn't everyone have them too?

Per capita cigarette consumption in the US in 1965 amounted to twelve cigarettes daily for every person aged 18+.


That really doesn't surprise me. I can just barely remember, but from what little I do recall it seemed like everyone smoked back then.

Half of all men smoked and a third of all women


Really, is that all? I thought the percentages were more like 75%/65%...

My recollection is that one-pack and two-pack smokers were common, and three-pack smokers not unusual.


That sounds about right.

Every house had ashtray(s)


I believe that ashtrays in offices were not uncommon even into the early 1980s.



I think the pervasive smoking is being shown a bit more realistically than in Masters of Sex, which is set in the mid-1950s.

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Really, is that all? I thought the percentages were more like 75%/65%...

So did I. However there was a lot of variation I think. I remember moving from southern Maine to Boston, Massachusetts in '78 and being astonished by how many people smoked.** And of course all you have to do is hang about with one smoker and the whole world is smoky. Few of my relatives smoked. My dad and his brother smoked pipes occasionally in the fifties and sixties (and so did I, briefly).

**Actually four things astonished me: Lots of smokers, lots of interest in whether someone was Jewish, people really cared about the Red Sox, and they went about half-dressed in the winter and complained about how cold it was. I'd recently come from Passadumkeag, Maine, where if you went outside half-dressed you died; so it struck me as pretty darn warm actually.

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Use of cigarette cases is likely due to BBC be unable to advertise - thus it can't show the branded packets which, in reality, everyone kept their fags in.

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Ah, interesting!

I remember being in London in '84 and seeing a huge billboard showing only a piece of folded blue cloth with a razor slash through it. Took me ages to figure out what that was about.

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I was around in the '60s and I remember people having cigarette cases as a matter of course. My own mother gave me a matching case and lighter set (bound in avocado green leather!) as a birthday gift. And, yes, it seemed like everybody smoked and nobody thought anything of it. And right up at 1981 I refused a very high-paying job because I'd have to sit in a large enclosed office area with several other highly paid but chain-smoking individuals and I couldn't stand the thought of breathing all that smoke all day. And when I was urged to take the job and I regretfully turned it down and explained my reason, it was a kind of "Oh, well, people do love their cigarettes so there's nothing we can do about it" reply.

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billboard showing only a piece of folded blue cloth with a razor slash through
it


This is really late to be asking this question. But, I'll bite: what did the billboard mean/stand for.

Tried searching just the quote from your post and matched information about tailoring, to include images associated with the craft.

I hope you can answer. Because I'm imagining it and can't make a connection with the subject of the op's post or subsequent responses.

Is it political?
Trying to figure out if any of the parties: Labor, Conservative, et al, have associated colors.

I'm lost. Throw me a match and a candle, please.

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This is really late to be asking this question. But, I'll bite: what did the billboard mean/stand for.

It was an ad for Silk Cut brand of cigarettes. Advertisers were not allowed to say anything that might be construed in any [way] as advocating the product, which is a bit of a pickle for an advertiser.

http://www.jimhagart.com/SILKNTRS.HTM -- there is much more on the web about this if you search for silk cut ads

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AAaah. Thanks for settling that down for me. Not being familiar with the brand, stateside, I'd have never figured that out.

I smoke, or smoked;I vape now, choosing to address the addiction, and avoiding the "more" harmful additives coincident with burning.

I don't have a problem with advertisers not being able to display this product (cigarettes). At the same time I don't blame them for my decision to start. It was mine.

Even vaping, now has some e-juices that are flavored, though they don't have nicotine. Like training wheels for getting new addicts who may move to nicotine-containing fluid. They're touted as quitting strategies. Personally, I see bait, hook, and live fish hold.

That's my low-key rant.

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Hehee, your multiple personalities have very similar views but I wonder do they talk to each other? <g,d&r>

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I remember my dad in the 60's having a cigarette case, but it was mostly left in the house, and brought out when we had visitors. He just carried a pack with him the rest of the time.

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For its time period, yes, heavy smoking was very widespread. I worked in offices in the seventies and eighties where smoking was permitted. When the smokers were asked, a few years later, to /not/ smoke at their desks during office hours, they reacted like they'd been assaulted. There were still ashtrays on every smoker's desk and there would be a frenzy of rushed smoking just before the clock turned eight o'clock, our office's morning official starting time. And more than a few of my coworkers immediately lit up right on the stroke of five o'clock, the official end of our office's workday. Even if it meant that they wouldn't be able to catch their first bus homeward, they still took time to smoke one or two cigarettes before going outside to catch a later bus. And of course for breaks and for lunch, the smokers lit up in the cafeteria and restrooms.
It was only after smoking in buildings was permanently banned entirely that the smokers started huddling outdoors to smoke. A friend who worked then in a hospital had exactly the same conditions -- yes, the nurses, doctors and staffers, even in the respiratory ward caring for emphysema and asthma hospitalizations, were still smoking up a storm in the wards and while noting patients' charts, and while going from patient to patient, and so forth.

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I had a history teacher in 11th grade in '66/7 who could smoke three cigarettes during a three-minute class break. He'd hit the door running when the bell went off. Lucky for him the teachers' room was twenty feet away from his classroom.

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It's clear, really, that smoking very quickly moves from being a willing personal choice into being a behavior-controlling addiction for a high percentage of those who try smoking even just a few times. The behaviors which you've seen and I've seen -- there's no way they can be called enjoyment of smoking. It's an overwhelming need to get that next fix.
My mom was a heavy smoker. Although she always said firmly that she liked to smoke and didn't want to stop, all of us knew that the truth was she /couldn't/ give it up. She coughed so regularly, a smoker's dry, hacking cough, that when I was very little if we happened to get momentarily separated in a store or somewhere, I've since realized that I just calmly waited a moment or two, heard her identifiable hack and trotted to wherever she was. Wow, that pretty much means she was almost constantly coughing during all of her waking hours every day.

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It must be noted too that the cigarettes of the 60s and earlier were not the same as they are today. The tobacco companies are adding a lot more addictive chemicals into them to hook you on your first smoke. It's harder today to quit then ever.

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I had a college teacher in 1968 who smoked in the classroom! He'd set the piece of chalk on the edge of the chalk tray and light up a ciggie. Then he'd set the cigarette on the chalk tray next to the chalk and alternate picking up one or the other. A few times he raised the chalk to his lips before he figured out it wasn't the cig.

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Perhaps to us now it seems too much but it's a sign of the times. Smoking in the 50's, 60's and 70's was common and more people were smokers than non smokers.

I have to admit though I think Gently smoked way too many cigarettes in Gently Between The Lines(first episode of season 6), he's no sooner lighted one then he's getting another outI wonder if they're real cigarettes or herbal ones like they use on Mad Men?

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Its quite amazing to look back on it now, as quite accurately portrayed in "Gently".
People smoked everywhere; in hospital, in aircraft, in doctor's waiting rooms (indeed GP's were often notable for having a burning cigarette in their hand and a full ash tray on their desk when you consulted them).
I find it amazing to see everyone lighting up INSIDE their homes. Such a short time really and how people's thinking and behaviour has changed!
"Gently" not only has it right but underplays it if anything.

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I'm an asthmatic, so really glad that smoking is not so prevalent now. However, I LOVE antique cigarette cases (go figure!), and have several.

Very beautiful objects, when done right.

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They have the smoking right. The figures given for the US look low for 60's Britain, but maybe the non-smokers kept out of sight. In 1979 I was about the last smoker in an office of about 40, and the last of my social circle to give up.
There were cigarette cases, but they were not common. Older people such as Gently probably had them as presents from the time before smoking began to be seen as a bad idea, which was long before the US fronted up with the stats.

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As an asthmatic child of 60's England, I agree that they have the smoking right. Smokers were EVERYWHERE. Only about one railway carriage in four were for non-smokers. On the buses, upstairs was for smokers. Cinemas, if they had a non-smoking area, this was maybe a quarter or a third of the cinema. As my father smoked, anywhere I went with him was in the smoking area. Even on aeroplanes, some where right side for smokers, left side for non-smokers (or the other way around).

You could not get away from it.

And I still suffer from asthma.

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I think they have the smoking about right, I can recall my Dad and my uncle, seemed like they were constantly smoking, much more than the show. We took a long drive one winter, several hours, for a fishing venture. So there I am, a boy of 9, sitting between them in a pickup with the windows rolled up tight while they smoked about two packs each. I was used to it then I suppose, now that'd probably make me sick. I remember the smoking on airplanes as well in the mid 1980's, once I had to take a smoking seat from Dallas to Boston, or get bumped. Needing to get home I took it and sat next to this lady who lit one after another, felt like I needed to shower and burn my clothes.

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Do you think this might have been an artifact from World War II? i.e. some soldiers preferring cigarette cases to soft packs to better protect the smokes in such a physically demanding situation?

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Cigarette cases pre-date World War II, and were popular between World Wars I and II. But you are probably right about the effect. Gently as an ex-soldier might well have kept to his cigarette case, particularly if it had been a gift from his late wife.

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Or an Army comrade.

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Funny to think of it now. I smoked in my hospital bed and nurses would pop in for one as they passed. My doctor smoked while doing a procedure on me. We smoked on trains and airplanes, everywhere anytime. How the world has changed.

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