The Sword Fight - Predators (2010) Discussion

[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) a year ago

ok pitt i go back and watch this scene as it has been long time since i first watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEhV49hKK0U

yes pitt i think this is one of the most memorable scene from this film.

i think the predator take him on overconfident, thinking he feel sorry for him, thinking "hey why not let this noob at least go down fighting at least". he underestimate kamikaze and get a fatal blow. the one last banzai charge finish off predator - then samurai falls. good scene

i have to say i thought this film was mixed bag. i grow up with predator 1 & 2 and these films are standard. this film predators have too much stuff going on, and the actors were poor caliber compared to original two goats but at least it was better than AVP and AVP: requiem which are both shit especially requiem which is most shit film i seen in long time.

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[–] cyguration (3951) a year ago

AVP: requiem which are both shit especially requiem which is most shit film i seen in long time.

Eh, come on man... you have to admit Wolf was pretty bada$$ in Requiem. He made the film more enjoyable than the super awful Predators and Alien: Covenant.

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[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) a year ago

disagrees. only things i remember about AVP requiem is

a) there was teens in it and then really hot girl in teen gang and a nerdlinger who like her but cant get her. this is like every shit teen comedy. predator movies are not shit teen comedy, they are manly movies with manly characters for manly peoples. teens can go watch there shit movies elsewhere.

b) scene in hospital with many pregnant woman in ward with chest bursters coming out. great. when i watch film i like to keep food i recently eat in my stomachs where it belong not spewing. there is violence in film that is enjoyable like predator 1 & 2 - this is enjoyable violence. pregnant belly chest burster is not enjoyable it just make me angry and sick at retards who write this.

c) could not see shit. film was too dark.

d) there was scene in local swimming pool with predator in there. this is not fucking gremlins.

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[–] cyguration (3951) a year ago

I can't disagree with any of that.

The CW teen drama bull crap was obnoxious, no complaints here.

I just thought some of the Predator scenes with Wolf hunting, tracking, and dispensing of the xenomorphs was pretty cool. His "I'm too old for this" gait really helped sell the character.

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[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) a year ago

i would have to see this again, cyguration, as i dont remember much about predator hunting, but i respect you like this film. i only judge film on quality of character/storys first, film without this is like a pair of tits with no bodys attached to them, i need substance before i can enjoy film, and avp:r seem like cynical cash grab, but i respect those that enjoy these kind of film

also, avp 1 had predators that look like fat guys and that is other problem i have. guys in predator suits do bad job of looking like predator, they look like guys in costume at theme parks waving at visitor. not convincing.

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[–] cyguration (3951) a year ago

i would have to see this again, cyguration, as i dont remember much about predator hunting, but i respect you like this film.

Yeah he was the only good part about the film.

i only judge film on quality of character/storys first, film without this is like a pair of tits with no bodys attached to them, i need substance before i can enjoy film, and avp:r seem like cynical cash grab, but i respect those that enjoy these kind of film

Totally agreed here. The rest of the film was absolute trash and the cinematography was pretty bad, along with large parts of the script and cast.

lso, avp 1 had predators that look like fat guys and that is other problem i have. guys in predator suits do bad job of looking like predator, they look like guys in costume at theme parks waving at visitor. not convincing.

100% agreed here. Those guys looked like Jamaican bodybuilders on steroids. Looked absolutely ridiculous.

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[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) a year ago

Those guys looked like Jamaican bodybuilders on steroids

hahahaha yes!! this true! hahah. first time i see avp 1, i am excited to see predator and then these lard ass predators show up.

the predator in part 1 & 2 is tall but thin, which make him look like wiry alien. they have the look all off in avp movies, so he does not look like alien, just man in suit

when i watch new predator movie, i only watch predator 2018, but not because it is good, but because it have funniest death scene in movie history haha: https://youtu.be/D8UqG9I3MB8?t=5426

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[–] cyguration (3951) a year ago

when i watch new predator movie, i only watch predator 2018, but not because it is good, but because it have funniest death scene in movie history haha:

I hated that movie with a passion.

It was so stupid. The normal Predator in that film was the only interesting character, and he died by getting one-punched to death. So stupid.

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[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) a year ago

yes you are correct, cyguration

it just prove even when you have great talent as director like hawkins himself from original pred (who understand predator mythos having fought and died in the jungle against "anytime") it is not guarentees you get good film. even original actor cannot save shit film.

predator 1 and 2 stand alone. predators have good story but bad execution - they should have made it in 90s with arnold and stephen hopkins/mctiernan directing and not that haxxor rodriguez (who bashed predator 2 - this is not forgivable for real fans of original two preds)

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[–] cyguration (3951) a year ago

Yeah, Predator 1 and 2 still stand up. I didn't like Predator 2's casting of Danny Glover, though. Ironically enough, the studios actually had the right casting ideas in mind, with Arnold first and foremost, and barring that, they wanted Patrick Swayze (how crazy would Predator 2 have been with Swayze in the lead role?) but Swayze was injured from Road House, so the studios -- get this -- wanted Steven Seagal as the lead. They even had the director meet with Seagal, but the director said he didn't like him, so they went with Danny Glover instead.

I would have loved to have seen what Predator 2 had been like with Seagal in the lead actor position. It would have been a very interesting film indeed.

Still, I enjoyed Predator 2 more than the ones that came after. It has a brisk pace, good action/gore, and a nice score.

Predators could have been a smash hit, but there were too many corners cut and too many stupid parts (plus, Lawrence Fishburne, which added nothing to the film).

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[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) a year ago

i think seagal would have been bad choice for predator 2 lead. i think he lack personality and character for this kind of film. i did not know swayze was injured and could not do predator 2, interesting.

patrick swayze would have been perfect for mike harrigan in predator 2. i can just see him in role. he is tough and bad ass but have reserved qualitys. swayze would be understated bad ass and not overstated bad ass like danny glovers performance. predator 2 was very hectic film, dizzying at senses, and i would have prefer a more silent but deadly lead like swayze to calm things down.

swayze probably would grow beard for this role like he did for his great underrated movie called steel dawn, which make him look tough supreme ass kicker. unlike seagal, i think swayze have capabilitys to handle film of this size after coming off of road house - he was ready for step up. but in 1990 seagal was still doing shit films and under siege was 2 years away (which was his only good film) so he was not ready.

arnold would not have fit predator 2. but i read that he would have played keyes role and not the lead. arnold and swayze would have been fantastic team.

yes predators have too many bad actors and performances, fishburne running around cosplaying as crazy "anytime" was last straw. that would have been great film in 80s/90s with good actors.

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[–] cyguration (3951) a year ago

i did not know swayze was injured and could not do predator 2, interesting.

He was injured by Marshall Teague because they had a gentleman's agreement to not hold back. Full contact save for no direct hits to the face. Teague had a lot of praise for Swayze for not backing down, because Teague was a legit martial artist and kickboxer. He talked about it here and how Swayze got injured:
https://youtu.be/xX2LN6O44TY

Swayze had cracked and bruised ribs and some other injuries due to Teague's kicks, and that's also probably why that fight in Road House looked so good. But a bit of a shame because the quality of that fight robbed us of having Swayze star in Predator 2. It's kind of ironic how that all happened eh?

patrick swayze would have been perfect for mike harrigan in predator 2. i can just see him in role. he is tough and bad ass but have reserved qualitys. swayze would be understated bad ass and not overstated bad ass like danny glovers performance. predator 2 was very hectic film, dizzying at senses, and i would have prefer a more silent but deadly lead like swayze to calm things down.

Nail on the head. You're 100% right; Swayze has that master-martial artist vibe about him. He's a badass but he doesn't have to tout it around. That would have made for a fascinating showdown with the Predator. He's also got that cowboy quality about him, like a true grit to his character, which would have been interesting to see play out against the City Hunter.

And yeah, Steel Dawn was one of his best films. That had some awesome fight scenes, and he looked good in that as a swordsman. Would have been interesting to see how they choreographed the fights for him in Predator 2?

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[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) a year ago

hahah thank you for this great video, cy, great to watch! 2 manly bad asses with character that you dont find anymore! they certainly go extra miles in those times to make sure we get great action. special thank you for teague and swayze for raising the bar. but it came at a price as you say. it deny us a swayze pred movie and that could take a goat movie to even goater levels.

yes the fight scene in pred 2 would be interesting with swayze and new choreography! i can see a fight scene between swayze and el scorpio.

yes i agree swayze is like outlaw cowboy - he have all great trait. my only concerns is his height. dutch in predator 1 was over 6 foots & ex-mr olympia and danny glover was 6ft 5 tall so physically these are good match ups for anytime and pussyface. but swayze is under 6 foot and no imposing build. he would need to be framed by director to look bigger.

height not usually a problem in action as sly stallone was small man, smaller than swayze but sly have huge shoulders and arms so it make him look bigger than he is but swayze not built like this. that is my only concern. but acting wise it is not contest - he make predator 2 better just with ice cool presence. swayze and paxton wouldve been great teams. i think paxton look intimidated by glover in predator 2 so they have little camaraderie in there scene, but swayze and paxton would be great

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[–] cyguration (3951) a year ago

they certainly go extra miles in those times to make sure we get great action. special thank you for teague and swayze for raising the bar.

Not sure if you've seen it, but the most recent example of this is Donnie Yen vs Colin Chow in Flashpoint. Donnie explained that they were basically using their years of training to actually "fight" without hurting each other, and it's why so many people see that as one of the best fight scenes ever put to film. Donnie talked about it here, which, interestingly enough, sounds very similar to what Teague was saying (just not as badass):

https://youtu.be/14AiI_Nu1uo?t=488

yes the fight scene in pred 2 would be interesting with swayze and new choreography! i can see a fight scene between swayze and el scorpio.

I was thinking the same thing. Instead of just charging in shooting, Swayze definitely would have convinced the director to get in a few kicks, as it would have significantly raised the the action levels to new heights.

but swayze is under 6 foot and no imposing build. he would need to be framed by director to look bigger.

True. But he would also make the Predator look a heck of a lot more intimidating and larger than life by comparison. Also, I would probably imagine Swayze would have used the staff a lot more efficiently than Danny Glover just charging the Predator. Can you imagine Swayze using the staff the way he used the sword in Steel Dawn, and the Predator using the wrist blade in an epic duel?

swayze and paxton wouldve been great teams. i think paxton look intimidated by glover in predator 2 so they have little camaraderie in there scene, but swayze and paxton would be great

Agreed. Plus, with more camaraderie it would have made Paxton's death feel like Swayze was losing a brother, rather than an underlying. It would have hit home for the audience a lot harder.

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[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) a year ago

no i have not seen flashpoint cy but i will put it on my watchlist on imdb profile. if it is new film then i do not watch too many of them haha but i make some exception

yes i think swayze would add great physical elements. danny glover was pushing 45 in predator 2 & i think he was maybe a too old to tackle intense fights that swayze could handle with his athlete capabilitys.

hahah yes this is great point cy. city hunter's combistick (telescoping spear) could be used just like in steel dawn! fantastic idea, i wish someone think this up when they make this. he could pick this up and use more, he could keep it and use it for final duel with pussyface on the spaceship.

exactly cy. if there is one thing i criticism with predator 2 is that it lack more emotion like in original movie - much more emotion in this film for loss of all those great warriors. i guess harrigan mourns danny but i would've liked more substance between characters like jerry lambert and harrigan.

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[–] Enigmaticocean77 (2437) a year ago

You make so many brilliant posts that it is truly sad that you could not post on the old IMDB board because you didn't speak English yet. Your learning the English language and being able to post here is a blessing.

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[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) a year ago

thank you enigmaticocean. this is kind words. nice to meet another friendly person on here just like pitt and a few others.

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[–] Aries (834) a year ago

Who the hell is Wolf?

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[–] cyguration (3951) a year ago

The Predator that was tasked with cleaning up the mess and wiping out any trace of the other Predators or aliens being on the planet.

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[–] Aries (834) a year ago

I see. Didn't realize his name was Wolf. It's not listed in the credits, so I checked the Wiki and it was listed there.

I'm with you - AvP : Requiem is poorly rated, but is one of my guilty pleasures and Wolf is badass indeed. For me, Prometheus and Covenant were the most disappointing of the 2 series, cause they had big budgets and great visuals, but a ridiculous story line and annoying, idiot characters/crew that ruined the movie overall.

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[–] cyguration (3951) a year ago

Right there with you.

I think I made a long post or something running through everything I hated about Alien Covenant.

I could somewhat tolerate Prometheus only because I thought the Engineers were cool and I'm typically willing to watch Noomi Rapace in just about anything. The visuals were also good in Prometheus, but you're right that the stupid characters and story made it insufferable.

Alien: Covenant was even worse -- the team going down to the planet with no hazmat suits on or protection and breathing in the poisonous alien pollen was just stupid. Alien: Covenant started stupid and then got worse. Worse yet is that Ridley got to exercise his option on the contract to make Covenant, which meant that it superseded Neil Blomkamp's alternate take on Alien 3 starring Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn, as the studio put an indefinite pin on Blomkamp's Alien film. I think I'm more angry about that than anything else, especially since it was Covenent that shelved the redo of Alien 3.

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[–] Kowalski (75694) a year ago

HELL YEAH!...HIGHLIGHT OF THE FILM.

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[–] Xcalat3 (3748) a year ago

/Good on the predator here for his sportsmanship and sense of fair play to engage Hanzo on his terms and to not use his other powerful weapons even when he was being cut up rather badly./

I loved that, it shows the Predators 'honor code' very well.

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[–] PittPanthers47 (237) a year ago

Just watching the scene again on BO's link---it is amazing how Hanzo carved the predator here up! Look at that pool of green blood from the bird's eye view of where the dead predator lay! The only thing I would have added would be to show the green blood on Hanzo's sword during the fight. Or at least I did not see it.

The predator did not seem to have an answer for Hanzo's aggressive style of Banzai charges. He probably never encountered any one like him before.

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