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Reasons why I think he had a soul all along (and didn't gain one later)




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My reasons why I think Adam had a soul all along:

Keep in mind, I have not seen it yet. I just know spoilers. I have read the prequel graphic novel and the actual Mary Shelley novel.

1. In Mary Shelley's novel The Frankenstein Monster fully believed he had a soul. He talks about it many times and at one point questions if he's a new soul or the soul of one of the dead men and aniamls he's made from.

2. In most religions the soul is your consciousness able to live on after death. "It's not that I have a soul. I am a soul. I have a body." - Harry Dresden in The Dresden Files. But then again this film's theology is strange.

3. The free prequel graphic novel I, Frankenstein Genesis tells us that The Gargoyles can be wrong about people not having souls. In the backstory about Leonore the demons plan on tricking the gargoyles into accidentally killing humans (which they are forbidden from doing and results in the Gargoyle's own death) by hiding among humans in battle. The other gargoyles were unable to see the light in these humans until Leonore warned them about what the demons were planning. One even says something to the effect of "Why wasn't I able to see the light in them before?"

4. The Gargoyles went out of their way, convolutedly, to convince The Creature that he has no soul in the graphic novel prequel, going as far as to have one of them pose as a woman for a year to trick him into thinking he's in love with her, just to tell him that he's soulless for wanting to stay with her. (Because it would put her in danger, apparently...) Why do that if he does not have a soul? This hints to me they (or one or a few of them) know he has a soul but have a bias against him because of how he was created.

5. We are told in the graphic novel prequel that gargoyles cannot kill someone who has a soul (a human), that gargoyle would die instead. Repeatedly in the graphic novel prequel graphic novel a gargoyle would either be talked out of killing Adam or would make up an excuse to not kill him. This suggests to me that they, at the very least, suspected that he had a soul.

6. They say only someone soulless can kill a gargoyle but at the same time a Gargoyle cannot kill someone who has a soul. That gargoyle will die. They never say how. What if Gideon's death in this film was the fulfillment of this notion, that if a gargoyle tries to take the life of someone with a soul he'll die instead. They weren't exactly specific how the gargoyle would die.

7. It was the acknowledgement of his identity (and maybe realizing he had a soul) that made Adam able to resist the demon at the end.

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You make good points with regards to the mythology of the creature and the nature of a "soul" (I wish the movie was as thorough in its analysis of these issues) but I'm just not sure about the death of Gideon being an example of that.
It would work if Gideon was ascended without Adam killing him, while they were fighting but it would be quite strange for a gargoyle to be "rewarded" for trying to kill someone with a soul, wouldn't it?


For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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There seems to be a strong sense of forgiveness here. The gargoyles are not saintly. They do bad things but ascend anyway. They did some pretty terrible things in the graphic novel prequel, including screwing with Adam's head by making him think he was in love for an entire year. It seems they ascend no matter what.

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I think a human consciousness would automatically have a soul. It could be the soul of whoever's brain he had, or a new one, since he had no memories.

Semper Contendere Propter Amoram et Formam

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Agreed.

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In biblical theology, man was created in Gods image. Debate on what that means and its implications rage to this very day. But one line of thinking follows that gods image translates into the ways that God has revealed himself to man. The father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. All three of those revelations distinct but part of the whole. In mankind the mind, the body, and the soul. Those 3 distinct parts form man as those 3 revelations form God. When God created man from the earth our body was made. When God gave us his breath our Soul was made. When the 2 combined our mind was made.

When Victor took the flesh and the vessel of the mind and animated with his experiments, he didn’t create life, he simply relit the engine. Nor did he have the breath of God to impart a soul. Adam didn’t have a soul when his life began. But I do believe he earned one. As the story showed he was a totally selfish being his entire existence was devoted to the preservation of himself. It is only when faced with a choice to ensure that there would be no others like him would ever exist, that he changed. It is in that moment that I believe God granted him the breath of life and soul entered his flesh and mind.

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wrong

you are not thinking properly a soul is not our mind it is the eternal essence of the creature then we have a body a spirit god is a spirit and our spirit is what connects to him.

the spirit is housed in the soul

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nope the soul is the eternal essence of the living creature adam was void of an eternal essence the spirit is the consciousness . but almost all religions teach that animals have emotions and consciousness yet they are void of both a soul and a spirit

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the DVD commentary states he grew a soul also your definition of a soul is wrong

a soul is not our eternal consciousness its our eternal essence that lives on after death(completely different) the spirit is our consciousness our emotions etc and is bound inside our soul

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