LOL I swear I just saw a YouTube clip of TVD season ep 1 or 2 where Caroline talks about the things she found out about Stefan when he just came to school and I swear she says "we're planning a June wedding!" So my immediate thought was they've playing us from the start? Or maybe it's just a coincidence.... But it just makes their relationship more believable
shareI definitely think Stelena was meant to be end game when this show started, and I think it was a jokey line on Caroline's part. But then, in like season 4 or 5, there was chemistry with Steroline and so they got the opportunity to put them together and circle back to that line.
shareYeah I remember that comment and I thought, wouldnt it be interesting if they end up together when Stefan said to Caroline "you and I will never happen" (paraphrasing).
I also remember one of JP tweet in which she said that she had been planing SC from 201 or some other episode but it was def season 2.
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I also remember one of JP tweet in which she said that she had been planing SC from 201 or some other episode but it was def season 2.
I guess this is called slow-burn. They were not even friend when it all started. Then they became friends and then more than that. Some people just miss the clues. It is easier to miss if we are not looking for them.
and now it turns out that they were writing this friendship only as a means to an end.
They were friends in season 2, it's how Caroline got through her vampirism issues.
And this really isn't what a slow burn is. That would be Delena, where you actually have romantic moments sprinkled throughout, like Damon kissing "Elena", them dancing at the Founder's Dance, him consoling her when Stefan goes MIA. It's a slow burn when both parties are aware of the feelings and at least one party *is* in love.
In Steroline's case, neither party was in love with the other until season 5, when Caroline started showing symptoms. Stefan was 100% in love with Elena, you can't really deny that in season 2... and Caroline loved Matt, then Tyler. Never Stefan until after she broke up with Tyler.
You can force a clue but you can't actually take a line from the pilot ("it's not going to happen") as an indication that Steroline was endgame. Frankly, Im convinced that the line is meant to be taken at face-value, as a sign that the writers had no intention of pairing these two up until they realized how many fans loved Delena and pivoted to that.
Really? You dont believe that friendship is the first step to finding love?
I saw the potential even then.
And I think they were build beautifully.
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Nah, that's not a slow burn (Delena). That's a will they or won't they situation (another common trope in these genres). The audience knows that it will happen eventually because there are clear and concise romantic interactions between the characters from the start. The anticipation and build up comes from not knowing when it will happen. Not if it will happen.
Most slow burns go unnoticed by the majority of the audience until the romantic interactions/implications are clearly written between the characters. Slow burns usually follow this format:
Casual acquaintance > Friends > Crush (usually only one character while the other remains blissfully unaware of said character's growing romantic feelings) > Feelings are confessed (either by the character who the audience now knows has these feelings or anothed character outside of the relationship pointing out the obvious causing the oblivious character to do some soul searching and figure out how they feel) > The epiphany that they do in fact return these feelings > Lovers > Happily Ever after or one of them dies.
Examples of the above from other shows include Pacey and Joey, Angel and Cordelia > Booth and Brennan
There's also another form of the slow burn that one could say is the uber slow burn because the couple started out as enemies.
That format usually goes like:
Enemies > Frenemies > Friends > One-sided crush > Lovers > Happily ever after or one of them dies (or the writers destroy it to pander to psychotic fans who take to social media to send their disconcertment in the form of a death threat which subsequently brands their show with the stigma of being the worst of its kind within the past few decades).
Examples:
Buffy and Spike, Jackie and Hyde, Dan and Blair
TL;DR: Delena is a will they won't they. Not a slow burn.
Caroline said that in the pilot ep, when she was human after seeing Stefan in the hallway at HS , later at a party he rejected her for Elena. This preceded her pursuit of Damon.
The other thing to note is that Bonnie tells Caroline it's not a competition between her and Elena and Caroline disagrees saying it is.
It wasnt.
That proposal was a joke. Stefan proposed to dream Elena the same way with the ring in the drawer and better than caroline because he exact ally smiled, laughed and was enthusiastic about the proposal. He also actually got on one knee and asked Elena to marry him but with Caroline he just said "do I really have to ask?" in an annoyed tone AND He didn't even get on one knee. The fact that anyone finds this romantic is absurd to me. June wedding is fan pandering. Klamilles and Delena are begging and demanding for a June wedding for over a year and she's caving to the demand.
But are you also forgetting that the SE proposals were fake BOTH times?
I mean, I know you ship Stelena, but how can you honestly say that those "proposals" were more sincere than Steroline's with a straight face?
He hid it in a drawer, that's about as much as you can claim for it being "ripped off". Everything else leading up and after it were completely different. Not to mention, Stefan didn't even ask the question to Elena at all? She saw it and immediately lit up and said yes before he said anything. Yeah, smooth proposal right there.
And I also guess people are missing the part where Stefan was BUILDING and DESIGNING a whole room as a nursery for Steroline's kids? When he said she was his family and was completely coy as he was watching her find the ring. Caroline's face, more touched than ever as she slowly realized what was happening, to the point where she could barely smile bc she was almost gonna cry.
The part where he VERY MUCH smiled at her and teased her for being so giddy, holding her hands tightly as he asked the question, reciting her full name and everything, and kissed her very deeply multiple times afterwards?
But yeah, I guess it wasn't better than a fake proposal where he didn't even ask the question and where he was on one knee for another FAKE proposal.
And I also guess people are missing the part where Stefan was BUILDING and DESIGNING and whole room as a nursery for Steroline's kids when he was asking the question. When he said she was his family and was completely coy as he was watching her find the ring. Caroline face, more touched than ever as she slowly realized what was happening, to the point where she could barely smile bc she was almost gonna cry.
The part where he VERY MUCH smiled at her and teased her for being so giddy, holding her hands tightly as he
lmao, I swear, the galls people have to distort what's in front of them to fit their own truth.
sharelmao, I swear, the galls people have to distort what's in front of them to fit their own truth.
^^ this.
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I mean, I know you ship Stelena, but how can you honestly say that those "proposals" were more sincere than Steroline's with a straight face?
But are you also forgetting that the SE proposals were fake BOTH times?
And I vehemently disagree. Perhaps you had second hand embarrassment because it wasn't something that you wanted to see?
The "friendship ring" line was a perfect and very fitting response from Caroline. It was a testament to how their relationship even started--acquaintances and fast friends--both in regards to their friendship and the fact that Stefan was the one who gave her her daylight ring. If anything that little banter showcased what Stefan & Caroline's relationship was and is--a natural bonding that brought them and kept them together.
The question didn't make Stefan look like he didn't care or was 'forced" to propose, like so many want to force themselves to believe, it made it sweeter bc 1) he was shy and 2) nervous of rejection/judgement and 3) thought it obvious to ask. That line is completely taken out of context. You have to look at the entire scene, what he was doing before it and what he was doing after--building their dream home, finding happiness amidst chaos, being relieved and exulted when she said yes.
And it's true, Caroline was more in line with her emotions, but that's just the person she is. Giddy and happy. Whereas Stefan is the neighborhood sweetheart and brood. THEIR responses fit perfectly with EACH OTHER because it fit the characters we know.
And as I've said before, the fact that Stefan was able to propose during a tough time just showed that he was willing to accept the situation and circumstances thrown his way and STILL move on with his life. IMO, that was a test of strength and made the timing more beautiful.
The lighting? Really?
Yeah, proposals that were both pretend and terrible, and the least bit sentimental and "real". You can call me biased, blind, objective, I don't care, but I will never see SE's fake proposals as being better than Steroline's. Not because they're fake, we can brush that aside this once. But because SC'swas absolutely better overrall and stayed true to the characters, and gave Stefan and Caroline something they've always deserved--a loving and loyal family.
I mean, there are a lot of scenes I don't want to see but I can still admit when they work. Bonnie/Enzo was a relationship I have no interest in, but I thought their flashback scenes last season were done really well and hell, they even sparked an interest in me. The Delena goodbye from season 6 was something I *really* hated watching but I can still objectively say it was a sweet moment.
I'll reiterate what another poster on here said to one of my threads: if the 'friendship ring' line is so true to who they are (friends), then why bother evolving their relationship into a romantic one, into a marriage? They were great as friends, and they are so well represented by her (imo cringe-worthy) line about the friendship ring, then just stay as a friendship.
And the lighting was awful. A scene is made romantic by a LOT of things. A nice song (which btw, was there even any background music to augment the scene?), good dialogue, aaaand good lighting/visuals.
The Stelena proposal in season 6 was *sooo* well lit; it was vivid, colorful, bright, and glowing with this happiness that you could feel and see. With this Steroline proposal, the room was grim (dark brown, dark yellow, ZERO lighting), the mood was grim (Sarah had just died, painfully!), the background visuals weren't very appealing either (a broken down room, a hole in the wall ).
A nicer proposal would have been the same room-- painted, furnished, and decorated by Stefan--which he then leads Caroline into, with her eyes closed. She opens them, and its a bright visual--perfect for her kids--which is very in line with who Care is. Also, it could have been the next morning, which would be sufficient time after Sarah's death. You say that Stefan's gesture is romantic enough, and it is, but they didn't even use that gesture to enhance the scene.
Why not wait until Stefan is actually done with the room to make that scene both aesthetically and meaningfully beautiful?
A rose is just a rose.
I don't think you understand what I said about the ring line. Caroline said it because it was a throwback to what their relationship was -- best friends. Just because they were best friends, doesn't mean they have to stay that way. Clearly writers, as well as the fans, saw potential in the relationship and thus evolved them to be something more. If the writers didn't see potential or cared about the relationship, then they would have never done it. They've denied relationships before, yet they didn't deny this one. So saying that every platonic relationship has evolved into lovers on tvd is wrong, just as it is wrong to say that they should've stayed friends.
Steroline has had many romantic scenes with brighter lighting. I'm not Julie, so I can't tell you why the writers wanted the proposal that way -- my educated guess is that they wanted the marriage storyline to play throughout the season, so they chose to write the proposal in the beginning the best way possible. They probably also want a reunion and wedding in the finale in order to have a full trajectory.
Stefan started rebuilding the room in the same episode, I don't think it would have made sense for him to finish it in the same day. Destroying and rebuilding was clearly the theme. Stefan lost Damon and Sarah, yet he was building the room at the same time -- the writers wanted to show that despite the circumstances, Stefan was still going to move on with his life.
His fate does not hang in line with his brother anymore, nor do his priorities. Now, it lies with Caroline. That was a clear message, yet I guess everyone overlooked it? That itself gave meaning to the proposal and their relationship, what other romantic gesture could there have been?
We're probably like the Delena fans were, back during s1-4. I apologize.
They've always said since 2x02 but it's *beep* Steroline was never even put in their cards until at least 4x02 when they knew they were going for Delena.
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