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Delena...

posted 8 years ago by forksforrests
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Does anyone ever think, enough is enough with Delena?

I feel like they could have approached the post-Nina seasons differently, but instead they made Damon worse and worse and honestly, it's maker it harder to justify a Delena endgame without ending on a bitter note.

Damon just killed Tyler. I realize that he's also killed Jeremy, harmed Bonnie, Caroline and Matt, but this one was intentionally done to forever damage his relationship with Elena. Especially since Matt, Tyler, and Damon have repeated how this was the last straw blahblah.

From a writing standpoint, why are they so determined to run Delena through the mud if they [i assume] are to be endgame? I'm starting to have some really heavy doubts about the endgame situation at this point, because they had quite an easy road to keeping Delena untarnished in this final season. But instead, they make Damon more and more irredeemable and then make his relationship w Elena less justifiable because of his inability to be a decent person for himself.

The Siren's spell argument doesn't work, bc the Siren herself said that if he is continuing to obey her orders, it's bc deep down, he wants to. Not to mention, Enzo's resilience, and Damon randomly killing Tyler with no real orders to (Tyler isn't a "bad soul").

edited: also, I realize that Damon was never a "good guy" and that's part of his charm or whatever tf Damon-lovers dig about him, but right now he's going out of his way to destroy everything, so it's not just that he's not good...he's actively choosing evil.

A rose is just a rose.

[–] corymarilena 8 years ago

Maybe it will be a tragic ending who ever knows (also if Nina doesnt come back)

About killing Tyler we saw him turning around and ready to leave but Sybil started to sing and control him to do it.How she said in the anterior scene in his head.He had to many attachments and people who wanted to save him and she wanted to get rid of it so she could totally control him & so they could give up on him

[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

I'm sick of the continued delena angst but I would still like to see them triumph against the odds. Having said that, if I had to choose between Delena and a solid, satisfying end for Damon I would choose Damon. Damon is what kept me watching past the pilot episode and for me has had the most interesting journey.

The Tyler thing is only shocking from the POV that they treated an original character this way. His death was a cheap way to show that Damon is well and truly off the rails and not in control of himself.

Please tell me how Damon killing Tyler makes him more unredeemable than anyone else who has been without humanity. Lets not forget that he is also under the control of the Siren.
In addition the siren is also on a mission to remove and erase every attachment that Damon has to his life because she still feels he is holding on to his life. Tyler is one of those attachments because he is the only one who knows where Elena is.
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[–] forksforrests 8 years ago

Because Damon WITH a humanity switch is no better than Damon without one, and Damon seems to switch his humanity off with no real reason to and no fight in him. With Caroline & Elena, there were externally tragic events that caused them to turn it off and dabble in the sorts of things they would never otherwise do (intentionally). Meanwhile you have Damon who kills Jeremy with or without his switch off. Then he turns it off because he doesn't want to go to Hell...did he think he was going to Heaven or some sh-t?

Enzo was also under the control of the siren but he showed a sh-t ton more resilience, and it was for Bonnie. Damon who is supposedly sooo in love with Elena can't even muster up the same type of strength. Or he does for all of five seconds before giving in.

Tyler told Damon where Elena was last season though.

A rose is just a rose.

[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

Because Damon WITH a humanity switch is no better than Damon without one

Well if that were true then most of the cast would be dead by now.

Damon seems to switch his humanity off with no real reason to and no fight in him. With Caroline & Elena, there were externally tragic events that caused them to turn it off and dabble in the sorts of things they would never otherwise do (intentionally).

Damon entered this series as a humanity-less vampire, since then we have never seen him flip the switch except in a flashback when he had to leave Enzo to save himself from the fire...I think that qualifies as a good reason. He flipped his switch this time so Sybil could not see who he cared about "If you care for nothing, it can see nothing". Again, that sounds like a good enough reason to me.

With Caroline & Elena, there were externally tragic events that caused them to turn it off and dabble in the sorts of things they would never otherwise do (intentionally).

Like what? like Kill people you mean. This is too funny....!

Enzo was also under the control of the siren but he showed a sh-t ton more resilience, and it was for Bonnie. Damon who is supposedly sooo in love with Elena can't even muster up the same type of strength. Or he does for all of five seconds before giving in.

Enzo still had his humanity. Without it he had zero Fs to give about Bonnie and let Damon go off to kill her.

Even without his humanity, Damon was able to fight to some degree- see the Sarah Salvatore part, he lost the battle when Sybil started altering his Elena memories and inserted herself in Elenas' place and now Bonnies'. That innate loyalty has now been transferred to sybil.

I like Enzo, but I blame him for drawing Stefan and Bonnie into the orbit of the Siren. Damon knows that Stefan and Bonnie would come looking for them, to save them which is why they were meticulously covering their tracks (or so Damon thought), little did he know that Enzo was leaving a breadcrumb trail. The only reason Sybil knew anything at all about Elena was because she heard Stefan repeatedly mention her because up until that point, the memory of Elena was hidden deep within Damons subconscious.

What I will agree on is the fact that this Damon is not fun to watch. Not because he is out there killing people, he is a vampire so that to me is not what makes it so tiresome to watch, it's because he is a mindless robot with zero motivations of his own. To me that is boring to watch because there can be no real consequences to expect from the others because they have all behaved equally as badly when in a similar predicament.

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[–] forksforrests 8 years ago

Most of the cast would be dead if it weren't for loopholes like resurrections, a ring that brings people back, and Klaus's magical blood.

Enzo still had his humanity.

Yeah, because he was willing to fight for it. Damon was willing to give it up even before the season premiere. In general, this humanity switch plot device isn't working for the show, because if Damon were truly humanity-less, than why is he preserving his Elena memories? But that's always been an issue with this writing.
But anyways, he could have just done what Enzo did and keep the Siren out of his brain. Elena's not even here anymore to be used as leverage against him (unlike Bonnie, for Enzo), so Damon had a fighting chance.

Damon entered this series as a humanity-less vampire, since then we have never seen him flip the switch except in a flashback when he had to leave Enzo to save himself from the fire...I think that qualifies as a good reason. He flipped his switch this time so Sybil could not see who he cared about "If you care for nothing, it can see nothing". Again, that sounds like a good enough reason to me.

 Yeah, he flipped his switch to avoid his own guilty conscience at abandoning his only friend. Sure, it's a "good reason" but it makes him an even sh-ttier person, even more so considering the way he treated Enzo after Enzo's return. If you're going to be someone solely motivated by selfish reasons, then I'd rather have them act like Katherine and never flip their switch but rather process their actions and accept who they are as a person.

& I don't see the Sybil thing as being a good enough reason. He has family and friends whose lives are at stake because he doesn't give a crap about their wellbeing anymore and he should have known turning his switch off would make him susceptible to that. Instead his only concern was burying his memories of Elena (and not Stefan his brother or Bonnie his best friend) who isn't even alive right now.

A rose is just a rose.

[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

Most of the cast would be dead if it weren't for loopholes like resurrections, a ring that brings people back, and Klaus's magical blood.

Evasive. We were talking about motivation here and intent. If Damon were truly evil and self serving, most this cast would be dead right now if what you stated were fact.

Yeah, because he was willing to fight for it. Damon was willing to give it up even before the season premiere

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Damon had good reasons for turning off his humanity and I stated them in my previous post. It was a strategic move to protect the people he loves. This isn't Damons first rodeo and he has learned that the people you care about become leverage, so DON'T care.

In general, this humanity switch plot device isn't working for the show, because if Damon were truly humanity-less, than why is he preserving his Elena memories?

I agree, the humanity switch thing has long since past it's expiration date but it is back so must be treated in the same way as it was for other characters. The story IS that consciously Damon cannot care for Elena, but his sub-conscious (a part of the brain that we have no control over) was holding on to the memories of Elena. THIS WAS EXPLICITLY STATED IN THE SHOW.

But anyways, he could have just done what Enzo did and keep the Siren out of his brain.

For the second time, no he couldn't because Damon had switched off his humanity, so he CAN'T care. This was again explicitly shown when Enzo shut off his humanity and he could NOT care.

Yeah, he flipped his switch to avoid his own guilty conscience at abandoning his only friend. Sure, it's a "good reason" but it makes him an even sh-ttier person, even more so considering the way he treated Enzo after Enzo's return.

Damon with his humanity intact could NOT leave his friend to die, that was the struggle. Damon endured 5 years of daily torture at the hands of humans that were willing to remove his eyeballs and his internal organs repeatedly in the name of science without defaulting to turning off his humanity
nity. Do you honestly think the decision to turn it all off was an easy one after all that? Ultimately it was act of survival, and the fact that he had to to turn his humanity off to do it just shows that their IS a difference between Damon with humanity and Damon without.

Sure, it's a "good reason" but it makes him an even sh-ttier person,

Maybe, but no more *beep* than anyone else that chose to flip their humanity switch.

Sure, it's a "good reason" but it makes him an even sh-ttier person, even more so considering the way he treated Enzo after Enzo's return

Umm, Enzo was trying to kill him. That was Enzos' mission.

If you're going to be someone solely motivated by selfish reasons, then I'd rather have them act like Katherine and never flip their switch but rather process their actions and accept who they are as a person.

The writing for Katherine has been contradictory as to whether or not she ever turned off her humanity. In 3x09 she told Stefan that her humanity was off but sometimes she let it in. Then in S4 she told Elena that she had never resorted to turning off her humanity...so which is it?

I don't see the Sybil thing as being a good enough reason. He has family and friends whose lives are at stake because he doesn't give a crap about their wellbeing anymore e known turning his switch off would make him susceptible to that

Fair dues, but Damon believed that it was safer for them if he didn't care about them and took a calculated risk. It was working until Enzo (unintentionally) undermined that. Damon also tried to warn Enzo that caring for people endangered them.

Instead his only concern was burying his memories of Elena (and not Stefan his brother or Bonnie his best friend) who isn't even alive right now.

Damon switched off his humanity to protect everyone he cared about, Stefan and Bonnie included because he believes that he is doomed and does not want to take those he loves down with him. Enzo has been locked up and tortured for 70 years and is supernaturally naiive in that respect, even if it gives him an edge in other forms of torture.

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[–] cocogurl-95192 8 years ago

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This.

[–] D_Stormborn 8 years ago

That's my issue with the humanity switch. It's like a Get out of Jail Free card. It will be all about getting Damon (and Enzo) to switch it on again and Elena (and probably Bonnie) will gloss over everything that happened in off mode and get their consuming love back on.

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