Willing to burn herself over him, how romantic. "Love" is her being willing to kill herself over a man. smh.
shareI wish they would write a better love story for her, for once.
Hot guys + dark subject matter + plenty of violence = watchable television.
Enzo's biggest fear was losing someone he loves and this was the only way to bring his humanity back.... Bonnie was a badass in this episode and her plan worked. Their scenes were my favorite in tonight's episode... So happy Enzo turned it back on and saved the woman he loves and that kissđI loved it
shareNah, tired of Bonnie being the martyr and self sacrificing for everyone. Enzo's humanity is not worth her life and could careless about what Enzo feels as a Bonnie fan. I don't find it romantic to be suicidal over a man.
shareMost people sacrifice for people they love. Just about everyone on the show has sacrificed at one time or another for someone else. Sure, in the Vampire Diaries world that is more extreme than in real life, but they are not living a normal existence. She was suicidal over him... she was willing to sacrifice her life to save him. That is an entirely different situation. Of course it isn't romantic to be suicidal over someone, but that isn't at all what was happening.
shareBonnie wasn't suicidal, far from it. It was an act of love and she trusted what she knows deep in her soul, that Enzo would not let her die. For once Bonnie knows that the love she has for Enzo is completely reciprocated. Enzo turned of his humanity to save her life and now she has helped get back. That is what relationships are about, that willingness to fight for each other.
I don't care that Bonnie put her own agenda above mourning Tyler. I mean what did she really miss? A group hug, a saccharine speech from Stefan and some carnival lights.
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Nah, can't really spin this as being a good way to show love. She was willing to put her life at risk for the sake of Enzo no matter how you look at it. And not really here for women on this show expressing their "love" by putting their life on the line, in a way that says that can't live or survive without a man/boyfriend. Unhealthy message to sell and downgrading to women.
A woman can love a man and be self confident and dependent and self worthy in herself enough to be able to live without him. Enzo's humanity, not worth Bonnie dying over.
If a man is in danger or in trouble some way, then the message is that a woman should risk herself in hopes and beliefs that he may love her enough to be able to save her? Bad message overall.
A woman can love a man and be self confident and dependent and self worthy in herself enough to be able to live without him. Enzo's humanity, not worth Bonnie dying over.
If a man is in danger or in trouble some way, then the message is that a woman should risk herself in hopes and beliefs that he may love her enough to be able to save her? Bad message overall.
I can say that sometimes the men can be written just as problematic in the relationships too and that the co dependency thing can go both ways. Enzo also staked Bonnie in the deleted scene to save himself. And you still have the problem with Bonnie saying that she was okay on giving up on her life and dying as long as she had Enzo by her side.
Something that's problem with Bonnie's history it using love to risk her life for everyone.
So you agree that it's not just women that are portrayed in this way then or Bonnie in a particular?
Ultimately it comes down to what floats your boat in fantasy love drama. I happen to like the all encompassing love stories because they tend to be dramatic and entertaining.
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So the đUp down below was for rubinaayr, I agree so glad to see that Bonnie has a love worth sacrificing herself for and Enzo has someone who will never leave him, hope it's a sign of things to come, just want them all to be happy, Tyler too! đ
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And I wonder if some of these people here are real Bonnie fans or bitter Bamon fansđ Just saying
shareBonnie's fans do not care about her along with most fans of female characters in general (at least in this CW shows.) They like to put on a facade that they genuinely care about her as a standalone character but time after time, they'll show their true colors when something gets in the way of their ship.
shareI hope they want the best for Bonnie, Enzo is a pretty good best if he makes her happy, nobody else seems to have been able to, not that it's her fault. I would have liked to see them more involved earlier, like season 5 rescue me instead of Caroline and Enzo.
Bonnie and Jeremy def didn't work for me but, I get it that this should have happened way sooner for her.
She deserves it more than anybody.
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Nah wouldn't want her burning herself to death almost for Damon either. And the "she's doing it for love or to be loyal" has been the excuse for her entire run on the show, where she is always dying/nearly losing her life for other characters.
Didn't enjoy it when she was dead for Jeremy's sake, talking about how she was okay with dying as long as Jeremy was standing there alive and being more concerned about Elena's feelings over her being dead.
This isn't exactly new for the Bonnie character and spinning it as her doing it out of love, isn't going to make me or other Bonnie fans embrace it. Sure that it's mostly Enzo/Bonenzo fans who are happy with her being suicidal over Enzo. Or DE Stans who hype up BE, but want Bonnie dead.
I agree with you. This doesn't break the mold for Bonnie's character. She always sacrifices herself for other people. It would be have been way more empowering for her to leave all of these stupid mofos behind to wallow in their stupidity. She doesn't need to prove anything or do anything to be deserving of love. She should be allowed to be just as plain, useless and boring as Elena.
shareI just appreciate the actors trying to make it work. I feel like they put in a lot of effort. But the story wasn't really made for Bonnie to receive equitable treatment. I dunno lol. Bonnie and Enzo have grown on me, but I wish they had been given several episodes of build up.
shareOh! So it was like Damon "killing" Matt to turn Elena's humanity back on. I get it.
My ass may be dumb, but I ain't no dumbass...
This episode was about Trust . Bonnie loved Enzo, and she trust that he loved her back. Bonnie knew that the only way to get Enzo to turn his humanity back on is to put herself in danger,and trust Enzo to save her.
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I think I might have read into that scene a bit differently.
For me, it was a character development for Bonnie. She's always sacrificed herself, yes. It's gotten her nowhere. I don't believe she was "willing to sacrifice herself for a man" but instead she was using the one thing that true and successful relationships are built on which is trust. Although a bit extreme, but justified given the circumstances, it would be better to see that scene as a "trust fall" of sorts. If Bonnie knew in her heart that Enzo wouldn't have saved her, she wouldn't have done it. She knew darn well that Enzo was going to, at the very least, save her from the burning building. She got so much more when she realized he not only saved her but he flipped his humanity switch back on.
Seriously, Bonnie had plenty of other ways to turn back on his humanity switch if she wanted to avoid dying. She doesn't want to actually die over Enzo's humanity switch. Sure, it could've killed her but she was definitely banking on the fact that the man who loves her would help her when she's in danger.
It's much less risky than, I dunno, allowing Enzo to run around as Sybil's servant where he could actually kill her or Sybil could do it herself with his help. The dudes loves her, he's obviously going to save her.
This is why some can accuse Bamon fans of having "shipper bias" in not cheering for Bonenzo or having a problem with it.
But, pretty much those who approve of Bonenzo are mostly BE fans themselves, who in the bias for the ship or being a fan of ENzo, will be convinced why Enzo is more worthy and more special, of Bonnie sacrificing or risking her life over, over those that she did for in the past. So, things will be said and spun for why BOnnie putting herself at risk, is somehow her putting herself first this time.
When it's just the same pattern of Bonnie using love and loyalty for these people to justify to herself why she needs to constantly do this and it's toxic and unhealthy for her character at these point. The only way that she can prove her love is if she is risking her life?
I see it as no different from how she has been constantly willing to suffer for Elena's sake. Or like I said dying to bring Jeremy back and then telling him that she would die 100 times over to see him standing there. This burning herself to death almost is like dying for Jeremy, but worse. And even in her death, she was telling Jeremy to keep her death a secret, because she was more concerned about Elena's feelings and happiness over her well being.
This is not some grand or epic sign of love, it's toxic.
And with the writers knowing about Bonnie's history, those that say this is her being selfish and putting herself "first" because she loves Enzo, the writers could have had a another outcome, if they actually wanted Bonnie to develop and grow from the character that she has been in the past, because fans of Beremy or Bonlena will just say that Bonnie choose to do it for love, for Elena/Jeremy as well.
And Delena fans will cheer for any writing for BE for their own reasons.
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And the fallout from that was her suffering at the hands of Kai in the prison world. Overall they need to stop having her put herself on the line and risk herself for everyone, Damon included.
sharePairing Bonnie and Enzo was the biggest WTF of this show.
I mean, seriously, what the *beep*? They make zero sense.
Maybe for you, but they actually make sense together.
shareWord. They literally put them together b/c he has nothing to do on this show. He's even less relevant than Matt. MATT!!!!
shareThis is so true. JP even admitted that Bonnie is being used as Enzo's prop and to give him importance. Because Damon has everyone who cares for him and Enzo has no one, all of Bonnie's time this season must be to give Enzo attention and to save him.
But, don't see why Bonnie has to be used, because none of the other characters care about Enzo, that's on the writers for developing Enzo poorly and not building any relationships. Now they are trying to use Bonnie to correct the mistakes that they made with writing for Enzo.
Please tell me when did JP ever say *beep* like that ? I need a link to that *beep*
sharehttp://omfgtv.com/cw-vamipre-diaries-season-8-julie-plec-enzo-damon-bonnie-preview/
shareI already read that interview and nothing in that interview had JP even admitting that Bonnie is being used as Enzo's prop. Enzo is a important person in her life and of course she's going to do everything she can to get him back.That's like saying Stefan is being used to prop Damon's boring ass...That interview didn't say much.
shareShe is being used as Enzo's prop and to give Enzo importance to the extreme. Bonnie has to be Enzo's advocate and her whole entire Season 8 being used as nothing else other than to prove that she loves Enzo in a "epic" way and that every moment this season must be dedicated to her saving and rescuing Enzo.
Damon has other people to care for him and is a main character, whether you like him or not. Enzo has no one else besides Bonnie there for him and it's no doubt that all of this season and BE is about from Enzo's POV and benefit, while Bonnie's love for him is an excuse to act like his character is worthy of her attention and love to the point where she is about nothing else this season.
"Advocate" = Prop to me. They made ENzo have to be important to Bonnie's life, because Enzo isn't important to anyone else's life and he wasn't important to any plot before, besides attaching himself to everyone that's important to Damon's life. Stefan/Lily/Bonnie.
Please tell me you're joking....
My ass may be dumb, but I ain't no dumbass...
When hasn't Bonnie been suicidal to save other people?? It's too be expected.
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