I need some help. I wanted to start watching the show again, but I haven't watched since the end of Season 5. I've heard about some things that have happened, like that Elena was killed off?!? I don't think this is a spoiler anymore, but just in case...
I was just wondering when this happened and if that's where the show jumped the shark? Is it worth watching at all anymore without one of its main characters?
Get away from her, you BITCH!!!
It jumped the shark sometime in season 3 when they decided to permanently change Damon's character from the unstable wildcard to the hero of the show, pushing the former protagonists into the sidelines and warping everything about this story in a distorted reflection of his pysche.
share^^^ that
shareAgree, the show went down hill after season 3
shareI thought was still quality, but the narrative changes I'm not a fan of.
shareThere were no narrative changes. It was hinted very early on in S1 that Stefan wasn't nearly as good or as heroic as he pretended and that Damon had far more heroic tendencies and innate compassion and caring than he was prepared to show. The way some scenes were juxtaposed back then with Stefan giving exposition (from his POV), with scenes actually contradicting Stefan was why this show was brilliant back then. It was a classic example of showing and not telling the story. At times it was very nuanced and only portrayed via the acting but at other times it was very explicitly shown and written.
Damon was very much scornful of Stefan and his attempts at being normal and human because he knew the real Stefan and the knife edge he walked on a daily basis. He was also alternately amused and frustrated with the fact that Stefan only ever told half a story.
1x06.
Damon "So I guess Stefan finally 'fessed up"
"You got the whole life story"
Elena "I got enough"
Damon "I doubt that"
1x18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBd3EpCFf4I
There are also the whole episodes of Stefans' bloodlust and him admitting to Elena that this is him and all the flashback episodes.
I'm always surprised when people view S3 as a change in characterisation when actually it wasn't, it was written all along. Stefan being a ripper was not the characterisation that ruined his chances with Elena, it was Stefan being Stefan that did that. The ripper was someone Elena still loved and forgave and ultimately chose.
Never argue with stupid people,they will drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
I'm not talking about Stefan not-being a Superhero, we're talking about Damon being one. He's not, he was like someone else said a wildcard, uncontrollable, someone not to be toyed with because you couldn't fully predict or trust he'd do the right thing. He was then changed, especailly when season 4. I never really cared Elena wound up with Damon, but they tried to make him the "right" guy for her when he could've been took as his. His destructive way of doing things now had to be the "right" way, or for some reason the only way things could get done, he had to be all knowing which I'm sure you even know he wasn't like that in earlier seasons. Every problem that came along was somehow reported to Damon like no one else could handle themselves, he was written to make us feel it wasn't about the Salvatore brothers together or even Elena anymore, it was about Damon. Just Damon. It's not as strong as a factor until Season 5, and it not even a terrible factor in S6, but it shows in S4.
shareDamon changed because of Elena, she was the first person to see the good in him.
We're all on our way out, act accordingly.
Every problem was "reported" to Damon, not. More like Damon took the initiative to infiltrate the founders council and was in a position to be in the know. They all needed him to do what they couldn't or wouldn't , and he did.
Stefan tried to stay the good brother, never telling Elena he was a vampire, or a ripper or in my opinion, a manipulative liar.
At least he didn't till he had to.
What shows in S4 is what Stefan said to Elena "You don't know what I look like when I'm not in love with you." More like you don't know what I look like when you're not in love with me.
We're all on our way out, act accordingly.
More like Damon took the initiative to infiltrate the founders council and was in a position to be in the know. They all needed him to do what they couldn't or wouldn't , and he did.
In a way they were villains, they persecuted a whole species, coldly and ignorantly, with no mercy, i.e., Anna staked by Uncle John.
But yes, Damon was saving himself and Stefan.
We're all on our way out, act accordingly.
Every problem was "reported" to Damon, not. More like Damon took the initiative to infiltrate the founders council and was in a position to be in the know. They all needed him to do what they couldn't or wouldn't , and he did.
Alpha?
We're all on our way out, act accordingly.
I'm not talking about Stefan not-being a Superhero, we're talking about Damon being one.
I never really cared Elena wound up with Damon, but they tried to make him the "right" guy for her when he could've been took as his.
His destructive way of doing things now had to be the "right" way, or for some reason the only way things could get done, he had to be all knowing which I'm sure you even know he wasn't like that in earlier seasons
I liked seasons 4 5 (sorta) and 6, but this is spot on. The show made Damon a hero and it makes almost no sense relative to his actions.
share+1
Beautifully stated.
My ass may be dumb, but I ain't no dumbass...
First, I added spoilers... so don't look if you don't want to know obviously. For me it was entirely when Elena died. I was actually okay with it happening and even thought it would make the show better because we could focus on other story lines. I thought they would bring the other female leads into the forefront and the show would continue on. I thought we'd get more of Caroline and Bonnie. Instead... it because solely focused on the brothers, which I think was a mistake. We'd already had 6 seasons of the brothers working through their problems and it was just getting redundant. However, the biggest jump the shark moment when I knew it was over was when they made Caroline pregnant with Rick's twins. It was just a weird choice and I understand why they made it... but it doesn't fit in with the choices characters had made in the past or their personalities.
shareI would watch season 6. The antagonist is hot AF and awesome. But after that, no.
shareOkay, thanks everyone! I may watch Season 6, but I agree that Damon was a lot more interesting as the bad boy.
Get away from her, you BITCH!!!
Just to be clear Elena isn't dead. Honestly I barely remember everything in s5 and 6..was s5 villian silas and s6 was Kai? But I have to agree the first 3 seasons were the best..my fav prolly s3..I liked when they brought in the originals and it wasn't all about Elena anymore. Funny how everyone loved the original storyline but it didn't do too well for a spinoff TVD was always better. I think the originals should have stayed on TVD and kept it as one show.
shareSeason 6 is one of the better seasons imo, mainly because of the villain. You will absolutely fall in love with his psychotic a**.. Season 7 straight garbage, season 8 even worse.
shareWhen they didn't get rid of Klaus and company faster and when dopplegangers started popping up left and right.
Which would be worse - to live as a monster, or to die as a good man?