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Stefan Eats children for Christmas!.

posted 8 years ago by bluesysax
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So Yes, this was finally made Canon. Of course it was implicitly implied in the narrative before but it has never been explicitly made obvious. Is everyone shocked? I'm not. I think the writers needed to say it one one more time for the people at the back that did not hear it the first time around. Stefan is a killer, he is a an indiscriminate killer and always has been. His remorse means jack *beep* because he is WILLING to become that person time and again if it serves his purpose.
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[–] lindsay-kneece 8 years ago

and correct me if I'm wrong but Stefan wouldn't kill on Christmas Eve. Is that right? If that's the case then he had some sort of control over himself when we've been lead to believe he has no control with he's a Ripper

[–] mymammakat 8 years ago

Sorry, but I'll correct you. Stefan did kill murderously rip a village of migrant workers to bits on Christmas 1917 to the point of heads in baskets and eyeballs mistaken for grapes.
At least that's what the devil made him remember, right down to scratching his victims names on the wall after.
What was more surprising was that Selene came to collect his soul but didn't, she felt sorry for him after accessing his subconscious, all she saw was pain and regret. She declined and left it up to Cade, who has been lying in wait for Stefan ever since.

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[–] mymammakat 8 years ago

Seems like Selene was kind of Stefans Lexi, even though this makes no sense because Stefan met Lexi in 1864.
Ugh, I'm confused, but.. who can trust the devil, maybe Cade manipulated Stefans memory to broker a deal?
It kind of makes sense, Sybil is changing Damons memories, after all.

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[–] ckwongau 8 years ago

who can trust the devil, maybe Cade manipulated Stefans memory to broker a deal?
It kind of makes sense, Sybil is changing Damons memories, after all.

No , Selene alter Stefan's subconscious enough , so Stefan forgot it on his own .

Selene didn't change his memories . just change subconscious

There is a difference between changing memories and changing subconscious .

Memories is what you remember , Sub-conscious is like something you know but you don't remember .

maybe Cade manipulated Stefans memory to broker a deal?

Selene told Enzo and Bonnie the same story as Cade told Stefan , and since Selene no longer works for Cade , she had no reason to lies.

[–] mymammakat 8 years ago

Yup! I think you are right, and I'm pretty happy about it 'cause never, ever liked Stefan!
Stefan can be Santa from hell, I'm good!

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[–] D_Stormborn 8 years ago

Yeah, it is part of the plot to convince the last Stelena fans that Damon is a saint and only he deserves Elena. Because what Damon and Enzo do in "off" mode is excusable but not what Stefan does in the same mode.

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[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

Yup^^^

[–] cocogurl-95192 8 years ago

Pretty much. I can't even respect the writers "canon" cause of how ridiculous it's gotten.

[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

Well this part of Stefans' history has been canon since S3.

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[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

Stefan was not without humanity- It's not possible to feel remorse, guilt, shame, pain which are all the emotions he was supposedly feeling. That's the whole point of flipping the switch which is what he did following these massacres so he did not have to feel anymore. The vampire we saw with Klaus in the 20s was Stefan without his humanity- that guy is yet another version of Stefan. We also saw that version post 3x05 and again in season 6 when he was with Caroline sans humanity.

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[–] christinaparker-60256 8 years ago

Yep. Ripperness and humanity switch are different things. Ripper is like a drug addict who feel a compulsive need to get high (aka kill people) and the switch flip simply turns off emotions like a psychopath. There is no inherent need to kill, you just don't care if you do. Stefan has been a ripper with his switch on and his switch off and has had his switch on and off without being a ripper. Sometimes he is both. Gotta love the added layer of non-accountability the writers impose on these characters.

[–] jstitely1 8 years ago

Umm we've known about his ripperness since way before Stefan and Elena broke up. Heck Klaus mentioned this very incident as why Stefan was infamous. Its not a large stretch or deviation to then say it was on Christmas. Especially because VIOLA it was the Christmas episode. It has absolutly nothing to do with ships. Also if stelena fans werent already over their ship when both parties have been moved on for several years now, then they have other issues to deal with, like comprehension of storylines.

[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

He's always been willing, but he doesn't want or feel the need to when something hurts his feelings, also, this new deal is for Damon also, so him and Stefan are freed from Hell, and serving Cade for eternity, thus he's finally found a chance to save his brother again.

[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

Taylor, I'm assuming your reply was to me (I can't make sense of these threads sometimes which is why tend to quote alot).
Anyway, the brothers have a history of saving each other physically, but emotionally or existentially, Stefan has never truly understood what is at the core of Damon and what makes him tick, therefore his attempts at emotionally appealing to Damon don't work.
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[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

I agree with this, Stefan's never actually been Damons emotional trigger, but what I meant was his intentions are to one way or another, have his brother to be able to be saved again, whether it takes Bonnie, Ric, even another 60 years for Elena herself to return, Damon can't be saved unless he is free from this ordeal with Cade, Stefan just got them a way out by being willing to become the worst version of himself again, which if anything, last episode showed us he hasn't (truly) been the Ripper of Monterey again since 1910s. In Season 3 he was mostly Klaus' slave until 3x09, by then his anger had came back and he went to war with Klaus. Then in S6 that convoluted him following Caroline around was shipper service. Now, there's no strings, and for the first time in the series, Stefan chose this. It will all fallback on him. I'm not going to give him a pass even for doing it to save Damon, I can't say it was dumb, I guess it does beat the alternative options he had, he was working for the devil no matter what, but this Ripper deal, it's on him. Although when it's said and done Damon will owe him a big thank you for his freedom back.

[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

his intentions are to one way or another, have his brother to be able to be saved again, whether it takes Bonnie, Ric, even another 60 years for Elena herself to return,

Oh, I thought his intention was to save the twins. Stefan asked Cade what the consequences would be if he refused to serve and Cade said he would be patient and wait for the twins. That was the leverage, Stefan was just smart enough to cut a deal that ensured his time (and Damon's) an end date.

Damon can't be saved unless he is free from this ordeal with Cade

While this true, Damon's biggest problem is that his brain has been fried but even so he was still smart enough to recognise when there is an out. He just learned that Hell is not necessarily a one way ticket if you have the right things to leverage.

Damon can't truly be saved until he is free of Sybil regardless of his deal with Cade because that is where we have been with Damon for most of the season. Sybil needs to be gone.

Although when it's said and done Damon will owe him a big thank you for his freedom back

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Maybe, but like I already pointed out, saving Damon was not his priority here, his first concern was the twins and getting back to Caroline as soon as possible. It's a nice contrast to the Sybil/Seline story where Sybil cut her sister out of the deal though.

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[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

His original deal with Cade was definitley the twins, his new one with an end date is what helps Damon and himself. His accepting for the first deal was definitley the twins, once he realized there was no way out of that though, he obviously decided to give Cade what he revealed he really wanted from Stefan (The Ripper) in return for a timetable for him and his brother, while not good, understandable. These are like the "Damon moves" I actually like.

[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

I'm not really disagreeing with the fact that the deal releases Damon too, just that it's addendum to Stefans plan that is not actually motivated by saving Damon. Rewatch the scene, Stefan tries to back out several times..."Give me a hail Mary pass", "I'm not the right person for you", "I'm not prepared to do that for you or anyone (including Damon)." The leverage was the twins again, and because they are Carolines' babies and he loves her he will do it for her. Yes, It's a pragmatic "Damon" move and one that would be heavily criticized by many here if it was him doing it. Stefan is willing to rain down hell on the living and innocent for what boils down to his love for Caroline. It's the epitome of what I have discussed with you before that given the right motivation, Stefan can be equally as bad as Damon and equally as selfish. I have always seen this and argued this about Stefan for years.

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[–] mymammakat 8 years ago

😏Me too!👆 But some will never admit this.

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