Matt is the voice of reason
In this idiotic group of people that keep giving passes to mass murderers -_-
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Actually he's the voice of accepted racism, he passes judgement on everyone even though he himself is responsible for the deaths of 1000's of people he has no clue who or what type of people they were.
He blames vampires and everything else for things being bad, but it was his shoot first attitude and hate to vampires that killed his girlfriend, Damon may have turned Vicki & Stefan staked her but long before vampires she was a junkie slut heading to oblivion, to the point Matt didn't question her possibly bailing on him, vampires don't do bad things because they are vampires, they do them because they are people and people have and will always kill and screw over others in their own best interest.
Matt's dad didn't abandon him because he was supernatural, his mother wasn't a flake because she was a vampire, his sister wasn't a tramp because magic made her, they were all selfish and thoughtless dicks who piled up the crap on Matt's shoulders and none of them had any other worldly element behind their behaviour, Matt is just a racist or speciesest? I dunno but he's ignorant and hate filled, and believes himself to be better because of what he is not who he is..plus he's a hypocrite.
What 1000s of people?
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Finn's sireline, though Finn only sired Sage she sired more and so would they themselves, when Finn died so did his line, which after 1000 years even conservatively would amount to atleast a few thousand vamps, some of whom could have been pacifist, or even newly turned innocents, and Matt intentional or not is responsible for their deaths.
shareThose weren't people, they were vampires, and nodody knew what killing an Original would do then and you have no way of knowing that many vampires were a part of his sireline. If that's your logic then Finn deserved to die because he was indirectly responsible for all those humans dying to become vampires, guaranteeing them a spot in Hell due to eating actual people. Finn is probably in Hell as we speak, since he died crazy and in his mind alone, with no peace in sight.
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I'm not sure he's dead. Stefan just ripped his heart out. Damon ripped in a previous episode Stefan's heart to keep him from destroying the town yet Stefan is still alive. I think that Enzo will be back. He's a vampire just like Stefan. Riping his heart out won't kill him.
But Matt didn't know Finn. He killed him although Finn have never did anything to him.
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Right because vampires only kill people that have wronged them😒.
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No but Matt takes a moral high ground he has no business on, he vilifies vampires for doing what comes natural to them, or for them choosing themselves or their kind over humans, but the humans in this universe do the exact same, except the humans act like they are justified, has every vampire deserved to die? are they all mass murdering nut jobs? no but people like Matt are willing to kill them just because they are vampires, without figuring out if they are even bad people, also why is it ok for a human to kill countless others and simply go to jail, but a vampire regardless of the amount of lives they may or may not have taken deserve a death sentence just because of what they are?
Matt acts like he's above the others but he has probably more blood, yes vampire blood but still blood on his hands than any of the vampires except probably Klaus & Kol they have ever shown in the series.
Vampires action are partially down to their biology, they need blood, human blood mostly to survive & thrive, do some or many go to extremes, yeah sure they do but it's not like humans are any better, kill all the vampires in the shows universe and people will still treat each other like crap, mass murderer one another over the most stupid differences of religious ideology and prey upon those weaker than themselves, this isn't a vampire trait it's a human trait vamps naturally have because they are a human off shoot, but Matt simply blames vampires for everything rather than admit people suck regardless of wether they have fangs or not.
He blames them for things they have done. I hate Matt but he's not some love sickschool girl. Vampires have caused a lot of chaos in his life and he's perfectly within his right to hate them. Your entire stance is, people suck and will continue to suck even without vampires would make sense if he actually believed that vampires are what's wrong with the world. He doesn't believe that. Stop pretending he's dealing with cuddly teddy bears and not blood drinking monsters that pretty much do whatever they want to whomever they want and are forgiven almost immediately, mostly by a bunch of idiotic girls, they are screwing or that are friends of girls they screwed.
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No he also blames them for things other people do, he blamed Stefan for him killing his own girlfriend because he was trigger happy and righteous to just start shooting away because he suspected it to be a vampire.
I don't care about him hating specific vampires, Stefan, Damon, Enzo, Katherine, Klaus and so on all have done a lot of crap to earn his hatred, but he acts like vampirism alone makes them evil, he shows no issue with vampires being murdered just because they are vampires, vampire kills someone trying to kill them Matt blames the vampire, human targets, captures, tortures and attempts to kill a vampire just for being a vampire Matt has no problem with it.
He's judgemental based solely on their species, and not on whether they are a good person or not, and it's like who is Matt to judge anyway? Apparently being a thief is enough to warrant an eternity in hell, Matt got bent out of shape over 3 "bad" people being killed but he's shown no issue to knowing he caused 1000's of possibly innocent vampires to die, yes I know that's not likely the case but still he cant know they were all 100% evil, or that some founding family dumb arse was abducting and murdering vampires without justification other than their species by the van full.
Matt assumes because he's human he's better than vampires, but also hates them for feeling the opposite, so he's a hypocrite.
Have him hate specific vampires, have him hate the idea of being a vampire those are fine, but he resents even his own friends for being vampires when they themselves barely had any say in the matter.
You blamed him for the indirect deaths of an entire sireline, but he can't indirectly blame Stefan?
They aren't good people though. Even the good ones have a fair amount of innocent blood on their hands. He's sick of them getting a pass every time they do horrible things. Plain and simple.
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Matt's act of murdering Finn caused the death of his entire line, wasn't the ultimate intention but makes direct actions caused this, Stefan didn't make Matt fire stupidly in the dark hoping to hit a vampire, ignoring the fact that humans could just as easily been out there also, Matt is a trained officer he should know not to do something so stupid, that's not on Stefan.
Yeah the majority of the vamps Matt knows aren't good people, even Caroline & Elena have innocent blood on their hands, Caroline I think has literally 1 innocent on her hands, don't recall if she murdered any when her humanity was off or it was all Stefan, but that doesn't justify the deaths of possibly innocent vampires he never met, intentional or not.
Sort of like saying that if your white growing up in a rough area around nothing but black kids who for the most part acted horribly towards you, behaved like thugs and stuff that it's fine for you to grow up being a racist who see's all black people the same way, may in a sense be understandable your opinion got shaped that way, doesn't make it right though, or you any less a racist, and vice versa.
Make paints all vamps the same, shows less to no concern about vampires rights or treatment, and is willing to kill on sight just based on what they are, he looks down on Caroline for being a vampire, but if Elana woke up in the next episode he wouldn't look down on her too now she's human again.
Stefan being present and a vampire in a town that was outlawing vampires in fact makes the death of his girlfriend Stefans fault legally. If the cops are shooting at at a criminal and an innocent is killed accidentally by the cop, the perpetrator is blamed by law. That actually happened in my city. Cops had a shoot out with a gun wielding trigger happy guy and a woman was killed by cop fire, the perpetrator was charged, as he created the situation. So like I said if you can say Matt killed thousands because he killed Finn there is room for him to blame Stefan.
Vampires don't have rights, they are not people. Even magic recognizes this and doesn't allow them to own property.
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It wasn't law it was Matt using his position to try and enforce his own will on other sentient beings, outlawing them on threat of death merely due to being different, not the same as some nut committing a felony which without any reasonable doubt put innocent people in danger.
Legally would Matt be a murderer for what he did? no he fired likely in fear for his life, he didn't intend to kill her he thought she has someone else who was an immanent threat, still the reason behind it his own fear and hatred based solely on race is obvious.
Vamps can own property cant they? they just down magically have any claim to the property, but legally they do, otherwise they couldn't sign over the deeds to them to other people.
Matt was sheriff, it most certainly was the law of Mystic Falls. Murderous vampires were coming there in droves so he outlawed them all as vampires tend attract more vampires. They are more than just different. They aren't refugees seeking asylum, they are unnatural creatures whose main source of food is humans. You can count good vampires in this show on one hand and even then you'd have to stretch, spin and nearly redefine the word good for it to apply to those few.
Oh, I was under the impression they couldn't own property legally, because the magic that keeps them out of places is based around a living being, being the owner. Dead people can't own anything legally because they're dead.
Humans, witches and werewolves are of nature and for the most part see vampires for what they are, unnatural creatures that the universe itself turned its back on. By nature Matt is not supposed to like vampires no different than nature itself.
I'm actually going to miss conversations like this once the boards are shut down. Nobody I know IRL watches this show, so coming here even if things get heated is always a pleasure.
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Being sheriff doesn't mean he can create laws, that's not his job is it, it's to enforce the law regardless of his own opinion of them, so him creating and enforcing secret laws that result in shoot first ask question later if at all is more a sign of his prejudice imo, he abused his power, partially to protect people but also to justify and excuse his own hatred.
I dunno didn't dead people used to be allowed to own property even after they died? like hadn't a fair amount of property been held up due to it being owned by dead people legally making impossible to purchase and so redevelop the property or land?
Are witches & wolves of nature though, witches are an aberration of travellers who practised "pure" magic I think they said, Witches always just seemed to be self righteous blow hards claiming they keep the balance whilst manipulating the mortal world from the other side and more than a few being seen abusing the power of magic to cheat nature in the aging process, only thing making vamps unnatural is they don't age and die, and we don't know if the wolves are natural or not, the logic in this show suggest they aren't, because if they were their would be nothing special about the crescent wolves, as they descended from the first werewolves, but being it's a genetic trait passed down by family all wolves would descend from the first werewolves.
I agree this is what I enjoy a back and forth about a difference of opinion, and yeah no one I know watches half the stuff I do so it's enjoyable conversing with others about shows I like, I still say Matt's a racist though 
Agreed with this 100%. I hope someone forcefully turns him into a vampire.
shareHe'd more than likely never complete the transformation and opt to die before becoming a vampire. Not to mention turning him by force would be idiotic because becoming a vampire does not automatically make one love vampires. His actual hatred of them would intensify literally, and now you have an angry self loathing vampire with access to the armory and knowledge of the cure and countless other secrets, including a bell, that can release massive amounts of Hell fire, that only he (and his father) can activate fully.
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Prior to last week I would have said Matt would kick and scream like a bitch before ultimately giving in, because he always seemed like he would be too much of a coward to actually face death, but he finally showed some guts and was willing to die rather than destroy the town, so yeah at this point id wager he'd probably opt to die.
shareAt this point it's kind of hard for anyone to point fingers, including Matt.
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I disagree. Any vampire who has never killed another vampire out of anything but self-defense is not a murderer. Vampires aren't humans. Humans are food for vampires, the same as cows are likely food to you. Vampires who kill humans are no more mass murderers than the vast majority of the people on this planet are.
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shareI agree with you ,Matt is a wet piece of toilet paper that stick to your shoe. I never like the character. He hates vampires so much , yet he's alive because a vampire saved his life. I didn't like the way he was towards Caroline. It was vampires Tyler who let him live at his mansion. Matt claim he hate vampires, while in that case why don't he leave Mystic Fall? He can leave no one would miss him. No one.
I think they should have killed off the character of Matt a long time ago. Hell, April could have been the residents human.
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I can't believe people still defend the vampires in this show. Name one vampire in this show who's never killed anybody? They are all murderers. Matt doesn't hate vampires for no reason. He hates them because they murder humans. The argument that vampires aren't immoral for killing humans because humans are food to them is ridiculous because it's possible for vampires to drink humans' blood and compel them to forget afterwards so there is absolutely no reason a vampire has to kill a human.
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