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Thoughts: You Made a Choice to Be Good

posted 8 years ago by TaylorBruh25
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SPOILERS FOR 8x11

Wow, just wow.

So yeah, this episode was just one big giant build to the last two minutes. There are some all time shots and honestly, I loved it.

Can I just comment how I LOVE Cade, why couldn't we just start the season off with him? He's wayyyyy better than The Sirens.

Nice to Bonnie interact with Cade for the first time, like seriously.

The Stefan and Damon scene in the beginning is an all timer. "I see the world through rose filtered glasses" "sorry, I fell asleep" seriously incredible and showed off Paul and Ian's brotherly chemistry for the first time playfully (sorta) in awhile.

Caroline and Matt digging up was cool, and I'm guessing the finale will be Founders day.

I'll get the Matt stuff out of the way right now. He sounded idiotic the entire episode. He bitches about Stefan getting a pass, but just recently gave Damon one you know, whatever the timeframe is like a day ago. He then finally gets something sensible from Caroline in that the adults (The Founders Council) kept the supernatural hidden from them. Matt acts like The Salvatore's, Katherine Pierce, or The Originals never existed before 2009.

Btw, I like Dorian, but it's the final season, didn't really need him.

Damon gets offered the ultimatum and refuses, "for Elena" and we get this incredibly awesome scene of Cade demostrating the normal ways of supernatural death in this show, do not work on him. Awesomely badass.

Bonnie and Enzo are once again shoved down our throats as we have to watch Enzo lead a fun life.

I won't really get into the cure situation, I don't think Damon's right, The Cure IS NOT his, but Bonnie and even Enzo both know what the cure me at for Damon and Elena, and after what Damon did do last season, which was all for Bonnie, and caused by Enzo. Which eventually leads to what's happening now, I think they at least could've given him a heads up.

Cade offers a duel deal to The Salvatore brothers, and what I thought at first when Damon said Damons girl, (and because Stefan was obviously on his way to Bonenzo) was Bonnie, and I was about to be like Woahhhh

Caroline offering Matt to became a vampire was dumb though, he like, obviously lowkey hates all vampires still. Dorian saw Damon eat someone and was got scared that quick?

So, I really don't like this ridicolous notion that Stefan needed to mureder Elena to get rid of Damon, when they're both working for Cade. Completely counter acted Elena turning on his humanity in S3 by him literally referring to her as just a girl.

Damon begs Stefan, and god it was Kind of heart wrenching to see, even though I knew who was dying.

Bonnie takes the cure

[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

Continued- sorry,

Bonnie takes the cure from Elena (since they plan to use it on Cade). We get this incredibly haunting shot of Enzo falling before Stefan as rips his heart out. Bonnie stabs Stefan with the cure. He's human folks. Bonnie's pain over Enzo triggers her powers.

So, the only person Stefan better feel guilty as hell for next week is Bonnie, if he says a damn thing about Enzo not deserving to die by his hand I'll lose my mind. I'm guessing the finale scene they're filming between them right now is them talking about Enzo. I guess no more but one Stefan and Bonnie scene left, what a waste.

8/10 episode, this season is still a blast, can't wait for next week.

[–] mrumble-704-31166 8 years ago

Ya im really interested on how this is all gonna end..im kinda scared too..I think damon or stefan will die..since JP likes to use other ppls ideas. As i mentioned in another post i hope she doesn't pull a true blood final series..but at the rate its going its looking a lot like it..already killed off 2 main characters..one who has been on TVD since s1.

[–] christinaparker-60256 8 years ago

I accidentally came to the board with 10 minutes to go so I read what happened, but I do think it would have been a shock that Bonnie stabbed Stefan with the cure.

I like Cade (and finally, we get some male eye candy after 2 seasons of nothing) and I wanted more of him and Bonnie. If this show were being run by someone else, we would have gotten mega powerful Bonnie (and probably a bit of dark Bonnie) defeating a major villain. Bonnie needs to be the one who defeats Cade with her magic. We need this to finally come to fruition. It should have happened with her killing Kai, but since they botched that, she needs to be the one to kill Cade. I love the idea of her becoming strong enough to take down the devil, and perhaps she is the one to then give Enzo's soul peace. Otherwise this Enzo killing is just more Bonnie torture porn.

I hate Bonenzo so I am glad it's done. I didn't think anything could make me want Delena, but they did it. My wish for these next few episodes is No Steroline, Delena or Bonenzo. Just good old fashioned mayhem.

Matt continues to be pointless. I will forgive this if Kelly comes back and we get more Vicki.

I don't care for this musical chairs Cure *beep* I kind of fundamentally don't understand why these people don't want to be vampires. Like, why do Bonnie and Enzo (and Damon and Elena for that matter, but I complained enough about that last season) WANT to be human? I get Bonnie not wanting to become a vamp because of the whole loophole thing, but why does Enzo have to be human? Wouldn't it be nice to have a strong vamp around to protect you and give you his blood and *beep* Plus he stays hot. Bonnie will be the most popular girl in the nursing home with that piece. Kids are not a guarantee just because you are human, and honestly, any of them having kids seems really irresponsible given the *beep* they go through.

[–] lindsay-kneece 8 years ago

I won't really get into the cure situation, I don't think Damon's right, The Cure IS NOT his, but Bonnie and even Enzo both know what the cure me at for Damon and Elena, and after what Damon did do last season, which was all for Bonnie, and caused by Enzo. Which eventually leads to what's happening now, I think they at least could've given him a heads up.

See this is what bothers me. Damon is actually the only one who has Elena's permission to take the cure. I'm sorry but Bonnie wanting to take something from Elena's body without her consent is gross to me. I never thought Bonnie would go this route honestly. She was angry at Damon for desiccating yet wants to steal his future without even telling him. Really disappointed in the writers for this one.

[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

Well, noting actually happens to Elena, in fact, when Bonnie and Enzo would've grown old and died, Damon could've taken Enzo's cure and then Elena would wake up and they'd be fine.

[–] lindsay-kneece 8 years ago

Yeah but what if Enzo died unexpectedly? What if he got in a car accident 5 years later. Or what if he had a heart attack at 60 and died. You can't take the cure from a dead body. It would be too risky for Enzo to take it and Damon just wait his turn. The only way it would work is if Enzo chose a time to let Damon have it before he died.

[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

I'm sure they'd work something out, Damon definitley wouldn't be taking his sights off that cure.

[–] lindsay-kneece 8 years ago

The whole point of Bonnie spelling the Salvatore crypt shut at the end of S6 was so no one would violate her and take the cure and then she's the one who takes it. That's some irony haha.

[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

I thought I read somewhere that it was Damon and Stefan idea to use the cure against Cade. It was actually Damon's idea. Did i get it wrong?
And from another thread someone mentioned that she has not taken the complete cure. Elena still has it in her, some of it.

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[–] lindsay-kneece 8 years ago

It was Caroline's idea. Damon was against it at first bc that's his future with Elena but then he realized getting rid of Cade was more important than what he wanted.

[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

So why are you guys angry with Bonnie? She did it with everyone's permission and on suggestion for greater good. Did she plan to use it for Enzo?

------You is KIND, you is SMART, you is IMPORTANT -----

[–] lindsay-kneece 8 years ago

Because she didn't have Elena's permission is why I'm annoyed at Bonnie. She knows who that cure is meant for and that 's been Damon's plan for the last several years. Bonnie and Enzo JUST talked about him becoming human 2 eps ago. Plus, she wasn't going to tell Damon about it either. Caroline spilled the beans. He would've found out when Enzo came back to Mystic Falls human af! Bonnie knew it was wrong which was why she didn't tell Damon. She just wanted her happiness with Enzo even if it meant she had to step on her friends to get it and that's not Bonnie.

[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

So you are saying that Bonnie had taken it out BEFORE Caroline suggested it?

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[–] lindsay-kneece 8 years ago

Caroline tells Damon they should give the cure to Cade (to kill him and get Stefan back) but already knew Bonnie's plans to give it to Enzo. During Daroline's conversation, Bonnie and Enzo are on the way to New York where Elena is to let Enzo take the cure. Bonnie doesn't know about Caroline's idea. Damon calls Bonnie to convince her they need to make Cade take the cure. She doesn't want to but reluctantly agrees bc she knows its the right thing to do.

[–] awesomebamon 8 years ago

I just find it funny for all of the Delena Stans who acted like they loved Bonenzo and Bonnie all of a sudden when she was with Enzo. And now Bonnie wanting a future with Enzo is the reason why Delena's future may be at risk. Because some weren't sincere in shipping BE and only did so because it prevented Bamon. But without Bamon happening even, Delena's future may not be guaranteed and it's because of Bonenzo.

[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

yeah a lot of DE fans are upset at Bonnie. I am not sure if it is about "morals that she took it from Elena without her permission" OR about the danger their ship CAN be because of it (maybe).

Feelings for Bonnie are really overwhelming as of now. Half of TVD fandom is furious with her getting the short end of the stick again whereas the other half angry coz she stood up for herself for the first time !! INcredible!!

------You is KIND, you is SMART, you is IMPORTANT -----

[–] imaneassi 8 years ago

Bonnie was never and will never be a threat to delena. Damon is all about Elena and Bonnie nothing but a friend.How many times does he have to friendzone her to get it in some Bonnie/Bamon fans's head?

[–] camelotfalls 8 years ago

About as many times as Bonnie has friendzoned Damon - which she's done more than he has in the last ten episodes alone.

[–] lindsay-kneece 8 years ago

I liked Bonenzo, I still do and not because it "prevents" bamon. I've never felt threatened by their friendship. But if Bonenzo make decisions to screw with Delena's future I'm gonna call them out.

[–] awesomebamon 8 years ago

Well a lot of DE fans are that way and all season long the only purpose the writers made Bonnie have is to be all about Enzo and consumed by him to the point where she was willing to set her surroundings on fire for him. So her being just about Enzo lead her to taking the cure. It showed in JP mostly writing Bonnie to be isolated with Enzo this season.

[–] Darrylmurphy 8 years ago

The other thing is they don't know how Elana will react to having the cure taken from her, they assume I'm guessing because she'd still be within her normal human lifespan she wont rapidly age and die like Katherine did, but what if they are wrong?

Elana choosing to risk her life to have a mortal life with the man she loves is one thing, Bonnie risking her two best friends future so she can have a mortal life with the man she loves is a bit different, not to mention the chances they lose the chance to pass on the cure to Damon when the time comes.

Bonnie not getting a perfect future but still a possible future with the man she loves is not the same as making her best friend have to wait and watch her entire life of love and happiness just so when she's gone he can deal with maybe having to watch the love of his life live and die within a few months.

No that Damon deserves better, he's Damon he's a dick, but for Bonnie to risk her best friends chances of any happiness just to amplify her own, seems wrong,
& like you said Damon is who Elana intended the cure o be for, so stealing that choice, and blood from your comatose bestie is again kind of wrong, regardless of who the recipient is meant to have been imo.

[–] orgine 8 years ago

Elena's life is being preserved by Kai's Sleeping Beauty curse not the Cure. If not, she would be ageing even with the Cure in her body. Because the Cure makes you mortal.

[–] Darrylmurphy 8 years ago

Yeah but when she awoke the assumption is due to her being in her still normal lifespan, discounting the years she spends suspended in a coma, that when she wakes and passes the cure she wont rapidly age, but no one knows if that's true or not, so now when Elana wakes up it may be that removing the cure regardless of the carriers actual age causes rapid aging till death.

Even if their theory was wrong they wouldn't know now till Elana wakes up because she's protected for now, be a kick in the teeth if she were to wake up find all but 2 of her friends or family are now dead and then she shrivels and dies within weeks of waking herself for something her best friend did to her 60 years ago.

[–] imaneassi 8 years ago

Except that Elena was barely 23 when she was put in coma.5 years later she would be at most 28,cure or no cure.Stefan and Damon are over a 100 years,so they need the cure to not age rapidly.Katherine was 500 years old

[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

Actually I think she was 20. She'd be abouuuuttt 24/25 now?

[–] imaneassi 8 years ago

Elena was 17 when she met Stefan. 6 years later, when put to sleep, she was 23.Unless on the show it had been less than 6 years. 5 years later, when she wakes up, she should be 28.

[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

Season 1-4 take place over a 2 year span, 5 and 6 take over a 2 year span I believe, so she should be 21. It's been 4 years since she was put to sleep, so she should be 25.

[–] lindsay-kneece 8 years ago

so she should be 25.

Awww, same age as Damon. I'm not crying!

[–] imaneassi 8 years ago

OK,thanks. Didn't know that.

[–] orgine 8 years ago

Yeah but when she awoke the assumption is due to her being in her still normal lifespan, discounting the years she spends suspended in a coma, that when she wakes and passes the cure she wont rapidly age, but no one knows if that's true or not, so now when Elana wakes up it may be that removing the cure regardless of the carriers actual age causes rapid aging till death.

That has nothing to do with the Cure.

I repeat - the Cure makes her mortal. It makes her grow old and die. While it is in her bloodstream, it lets her grow old from the 'vampire-frozen' age she was when she died as a human

e.g. if Elena was killed at the age of 20, with the Cure in her blood, she'll be 80 in 60 years. The reason why she won't be is because of Kai's spell. It has frozen her age by tying her life to Bonnie's. Once Bonnie dies, Elena wakes and starts ageing normally. (Or so he claims).

This has nothing to do with the Cure. If Elena had been an ordinary human when Kai cursed her - a human who was never turned into a Vampire, then Cured, the same thing would happen.

If Kai lied, and his spell ends and makes Elena catch up the 60 years of Bonnie's life, then that's what would have happened whether or not the Cure was in her blood. That's what would have happened if Elena was non-Cured ordinary human.

[–] Darrylmurphy 8 years ago

You don't get it, ok we assume, probably because the writers also said at some point, yeah removing the cure causes a cured immortal to age rapidly, but that's us the audience with the aide of the writers and show runners telling us stuff the actual characters on the show do not know.

Bonnie didn't know taking the cure out of Elana wouldn't cause her to "age" and die rapidly once Kai's spell is broken, she thought Elana would be ok but it's a 50/50 chance that Elana will be fine or will die like Katherine did, because the only example they have seen is Katherine, they didn't test it out on any baby vampires, just seen what happened to a half century old one, which doesn't mean it only happens to older vampires, could happen to any of them but it's just assumed it happens to her due to her age.

it's a risk based on assumption which is why I said it would be a kick in the teeth if it turns out the only way a cured immortal can live is with the cure inside of them, though it would be a fitting punishment to Damon, he waits 60-70 years as all the people he cares about grows old and happy finally his reward is Elana, only for her to awake, wither & die in a matter of months, leaving Damon alone and mortal being forced to deal with the pain instead of being able to switch it off, and doomed to now live and die as a mortal...it would be fitting for Damon, not so for Elana but oh well.

[–] orgine 8 years ago

No, it's not because the writers said so. It's because of what was said on the show in season 5 during the Silas/Augustine arc by various characters. It is also Damon's assumption in season 6 when he plans on taking the Cure from Elena.

By your hypothesis, if the Cure is removed from Elena and she starts rapidly ageing, that would also happen when Damon takes the Cure from her. So either way, she's doomed.

Which, as I've said, doesn't make sense because the Cure is not what is keeping Elena from ageing. The sleeping curse is. Of course, the writers can retcon anything they want but it doesn't tally with what the story has established.

[–] Darrylmurphy 8 years ago

It is all just assumptions based on one case, they don't KNOW that taking the cure from Elena wont do the same for her as it did Katherine, sure it makes sense to an extent that she'd rapidly age to make up for the extended life she's lived, but it is not something they know 100% for a fact, just guess work and assumptions based on a single incident with a single person who just happened to fall into an age bracket to make the idea seem passible.

Also yeah Elena doing it would run the same risk, but her risk to take, not a risk Bonnie should take fort her for her own benefit, this has nothing to do with the curse other than the cruel/deserved pain it would put on Damon for having to wait an entire mortal lifetime to be with the girl he loves just to watch her die due to the actions of their best friend decades earlier.

Now obviously things changed, Bonnie removed the cure in hopes of using it on Cade, and then had to use it on Stefan to save herself & Elena's lives but still that she intended to violate her best friend, potentially risk her life, possibly screw her and her other best friend over incase any part of her plan for Damon to still get the cure failed, seems wrong, as does Carolines chastising Damon for being annoyed because whilst the cure doesn't belong to him, he is the only one Elena had consented to giving the cure to, which just doesn't sit well, Bonnie wanting happiness is one thing but to be almost Damon about it seems off given her past actions, you know?

[–] orgine 8 years ago

this has nothing to do with the curse other than the cruel/deserved pain it would put on Damon for having to wait an entire mortal lifetime to be with the girl he loves just to watch her die due to the actions of their best friend decades earlier.

Damon set Elena on fire and went out and banged a chick. I think he'll survive.

It would be a real bummer for Elena though, to spend her lifetime and the lifetime of her human friends and family in a coma, only to wake up and die in days. But no, let's talk about how Damon will feel about this.

It is all just assumptions based on one case, they don't KNOW that taking the cure from Elena wont do the same for her as it did Katherine, sure it makes sense to an extent that she'd rapidly age to make up for the extended life she's lived, but it is not something they know 100% for a fact, just guess work and assumptions based on a single incident with a single person who just happened to fall into an age bracket to make the idea seem passible.

From a Doylian perspective, if you're going by that, then everything in the show is an assumption, which makes any kind of intelligent viewing impossible.

From a Watsonian perspective, it's an assumption that has been taken as fact by all the characters on the show. Elena and Damon are working on that assumption for Damon to drink the cure from Elena.

but still that she intended to violate her best friend, potentially risk her life, possibly screw her and her other best friend over incase any part of her plan for Damon to still get the cure failed, seems wrong, as does Carolines chastising Damon for being annoyed because whilst the cure doesn't belong to him, he is the only one Elena had consented to giving the cure to

The only person who has the right to consent to anything regarding the Cure is Bonnie Bennett.

The Cure belongs to Bonnie Bennett, not once, not twice but three times over.

It's hers by right of inheritance - it was made by her ancestor Questiyah.

It's hers by right of Expression magic - the only way the Cure could be discovered in the first place and Bonnie is the person who had to undergo the mental and physical trauma to control that magic and discover the Cure.

It's hers by right of discovery - it was Bonnie who went to Nova Scotia in 1994, and found the Cure and brought it back.

The only person who can claim any kind of ownership of that Cure is Bonnie. If she decided to draw it out of Elena's body and throw it in the fire, she would be perfectly in her rights.

As it was, she came up with a scenario where everyone wins. Which is far more than they deserved considering they did diddly squat to help her get it in the first place.

[–] lindsay-kneece 8 years ago

Last night the writer of 8x11 said Kai didn't factor in anyone taking the cure from Elena so it could change her situation.

[–] bluesysax 8 years ago

but for Bonnie to risk her best friends chances of any happiness just to amplify her own, seems wrong,

I guess this is what drove me insane in this whole scenario. Bonenzo are happy. They have been insanely happy and in love for years now but they somehow needed to happier? There are no external factors pushing Bonenzo to suddenly want to be human together right now. They are just choosing it just because they want it regardless of the potential impact it might have on Damon and Elena's future, a future they have put on hold to save Bonnie's life. Damon is in this mess because he continues to save her life and put her life first while he waits for his happy ending.

Elena and Damon promised each other a human life together. That cure is promised to Damon and everyone knows it. This notion that Elena would want it to be used to save all of them by killing Cade (because Caroline said so) is not really true since back in S4 when Damon was infected with the werewolf toxin, Elena would have given it to him regardless of the fact everyone was in danger from the hunters. Since Damon is directly in danger from Cade yes she would want them to use it on him. TBH the whole thing is just weird, the girl is lifeless and people are playing around with her body. ughh!

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[–] lindsay-kneece 8 years ago

Everything about this post is on point. Caroline wanted that cure for Cade bc her life was in direct danger and she wants Stefan back. Bonnie knows that cure is Damon's. She knows that's been Delena's plan for almost 4 years and she asked Enzo to be human two damn episodes ago. Also, the fact that she was going to give it to Enzo without telling Damon is really crappy. Damon and Elena have put their life on hold so Bonnie would get to live hers and she screws with their future? Unacceptable. Also, taking the cure from Elena without her permission is just gross. I said this somewhere else but it's ironic that Bonnie spelled the Salvatore crypt shut in S6 so no one would violate Elena and take the cure from her and then it ended up being Bonnie that stole it. Bonnie's all about putting herself first these days but when that choice negatively affects people around you it turns into selfishness. Everyone was on my damn nerves this episode except Damon.

[–] D_Stormborn 8 years ago

Loved this episode, except for all those precious minutes wasted on Matt whining and whining and whining.
Plus the usual double standards, everything Damon did is forgiven, everything Stefan tried to do is unforgivable.
Plus I'm pretty sure canon is you have to drink all the blood to get the cure? At least that's what Silas did to Katherine.

Great interactions from Defan, Cade and of Course Caroline. Bonnie was voicing what everyone was saying on this board lol. She found the cure, it is her's anyhow. And that final moment, poor Stefan.

Good bye Enzo?

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[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

Enzo's confirmed for the finale in SOME capacity, I'm going to guess he's ressurected or a ghost.

[–] corymarilena 8 years ago

Also Michael said he had done bits here and there.

We could see him next episodes as Michael said Enzo will support her and be there for her in her fight with Cade .Could have Bonnie created her dimension where she can see him?Something like the other side

[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

Good theory, definitley plausible and possible she created another dimension just over the veil to save Enzo.