The Cure
So you don't need to ingest all the blood? I figured this for awhile.
It was just Tessa being a total b**** to Silas.
So you don't need to ingest all the blood? I figured this for awhile.
It was just Tessa being a total b**** to Silas.
This seems like a plothole to me. If you don't need all the blood, then why can't they just all shoot a needle into Elena's arm and do some cure shots in a circle? Then these idiots can all be human and there is no need for them to worry about who drinks from who and in what order.
shareIf you don't need all the blood, then why can't they just all shoot a needle into Elena's arm and do some cure shots in a circle? Then these idiots can all be human and there is no need for them to worry about who drinks from who and in what order.
And with some proper control, perhaps a quarter drop here, there, etc - until 1000 people are cured :)
Stick some on some bullets, and take out the originals for the lulz, wipe out the vampires save for the now unlinked ones, which is likely a minority population of the vampires...
There are several great plot threads that could happen with that knowledge, rather then them trying to ignore it for the ones they got... But in no way, do I want the originals dead. I love them more than anyone in TVD atm, doesn't mean I can't discuss it :).
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They better give us some explanation. Right now the cure storyline is coming off even more poorly written and inconsistent than that sire bond BS from season 4. ๐ก
shareApparently the reason you only need a small amount is bc the cure is a mirrored image from a prison world so it's double the magic. So that small dose is all you need and Elena no longer has the cure flowing through her. Ridiculous. They just changed mythology to fit their needs. Much like they did with the heretics.
shareIt makes no sense. The writer of tonights episode said on twitter with the syringe they took from Elena the cure is out of her body. Their logic is giving me a migraine.
shareIt is, a plot hole and retconning. It seems like they didn't know which route to take so they pulled something out of their ass and hoped for the best.
How can a few cc's completely rid Elena's body of the cure?
My ass may be dumb, but I ain't no dumbass...
Because it's magic. It only took a small amount for it to be within her to begin with. Her body is not made of the cure it only contained it, taking blood transfers it as the cure itself was small in volume anyway. It's always been strange to me that people can watch a show that needs you to suspend belief several times an episode and yet they still can't fathom magic and instead call it a plot hole when nothing concrete was ever established for it to be a plot hole or a retcon.
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It is inconsistent. We're specifically shown Katherine being drained to the point of death for Silas to get the Cure out of her.
It's not enough to handwave "it's magic". Sci-fi and fantasy stories need to obey the same boundaries that define other stories.
If you're asking the audience to suspend belief, then you need to define what beliefs they're suspending.
But we're not told that was specifically the only way. If it takes a draining to get the cure than you should have to drink a human sizes bottle of cure. Since we know you don't need that much cure to become it's carrier, it's reasonable to assume you don't need to drain a living source and that Silas was just being overly thorough or evil, as he was a villain.
It is enough to handwave "It's magic" because magic in and of itself is a cheatcode that can't be logically explained.
A show about magic and vampires shouldn't have to explain to you what beliefs to suspend especially when Canon has not been altered.
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Thank you Orgine.
Ideas and events are changed on this show and many times and they make little to no sense.
Let me guess, next, they will find out that even if someone takes the cure it doesn't stop them from turning again, even though it was explicitly stated that this couldn't happen. But then again there was no way Witches could be both Witch and Vampire, then voila! Witchpires. These writers will save themselves a lot of grief, and the audience a lot of headaches, it they stopped making everything seem so etched in stone. It's okay to be a little uncertain at times.
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If the theory was never tested than people not being able to become immortal again is an assumption and a stupid one at that. If the cure is removed what exactly is preventing a person from becoming immortal again?
Witches can't be both witch and vampire. Siphons are not witches, much like psychics they are a related species that retain their power after being made immortal. No rule about witches was broken.
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Did Katherine try vamp blood after the cure was removed? I know she tried it at some point but said her body rejected it, but don't recall if that was before or after Silas drained her.
I'm with you on the Heretics they were a loophole and made sense, the reason you cant be both witch and vampire is because witches draw power from nature, vampires are unnatural hence no vampire can be a witch, but the Heretics don't draw from nature but actual magic, which Vampires are fuelled by, though I disliked that using their powers never effected their vampirism, should have caused some side effects, like using magic disabled certain vamp powers momentarily imo.
Yes she did and she had a complete allergic reaction to it. She vomited it right back up. Once the cure is taken you can't become a Vampire anymore, nor can Vampire blood cure you.
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Was that while the cure was in her or after?
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I always assumed they were drawing from the main component in being a vampire, immortality. Vampires have an infinite lifespan if they go untouched by what can kill them, so it always made sense to me that a hectic could siphon that magic without side effects, as long as they were sufficiently fed, and heretics seemed more blood thirsty than regular vampires. They seemed all but powerless in the prison world with nothing to sustain them.
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but the Heretics don't draw from nature but actual magic, which Vampires are fuelled by, though I disliked that using their powers never effected their vampirism
This right there is the problem with the heretics. We've seen what happens to vampires when they lose their magic - it's the effect of the traveller's boundary around Mystic Falls - they revert back to what they were before they turned and they die.
The heretics should have been shown exhibiting some of that side effect. There is no such thing as an infinite source of magic in this story.
The Mystic Falls spell didn't drain magic it neutralized it as if it didn't exist, big difference. If you have an infinite lifespan due to magic then infinite magic does exist in the form of magic fueled immorality. So a heretic drawing from that magic, as vampirism is a side effect of an immortality spell, does have an infinite source of magic.
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Maybe they only need some (not all ) of the Blood for the Cure to pass to the next Vampire or immortal .
Drain drain all of Katherine's blood and Elena just watch to feed Silas .
And Amra only spent a few minute to drink Silas's blood and she was cured , may be it is possible to use small quantity of blood
It's 2 plot holes. The first was when Silas sucked Katherine dry. They said they'd need to suck whoever has the cure dry of all blood. Katherine survived. So I guess that was wrong, and therefore it is correct that they didn't need all of elends blood. Just don't understand how it fully works and I don't think they do eithern
shareThe way I understood it, was the cure is only in your blood until you bleed thus transferring it to the blood taken out. The cure is a small dose itself so why would anymore than what was used be needed? It's a magical elixir not a virus. It leaves with the blood no matter the amount.
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was the cure is only in your blood until you bleed
It makes zero sense because you don't want it to. Apparently that is all it takes. What plot hole? It didn't take all of Katherine's blood. It didn't take all of Elena's blood, so apparently it only takes whatever amount of blood that's removed for the cure to transfer, and since that is what happened twice, you don't make sense and are just needlessly bitching.
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It took all of Katherine's blood. Silas drained her completely until her heart stopped beating and she died. But she woke up moments later. That was shown in season 5. Not using all of Elena's blood is a plot hole.
shareIf She woke up, then she was not drained or dead. It's not a plot hole if it wasn't established that draining to death was the only way, since Katherine survived Canon says draining is not necessary.
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She died then came back. Her heart stopped beating. Then it started again.
shareThen she wasn't drained. Your heart won't start if you have no blood for it to pump. Draining means no more blood. So draining isn't necessary.
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Why are you defending something that makes no sense, is an obvious plot hole, and can't even be explained by the writers? Are they paying you?
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STFU. It's not an obvious plot hole it's not a plot hole at all. The problem is, there is a large number of idiots that watch the show only to complain about things that make sense if they weren't so stupid. If the hole was obvious I wouldn't be successfully countering all the whinny bitching about something that was never ass black and white as some want to think.
I'm sure if you had an actual point as to why it's obvious you'd have made it, but you are apparently just one of those whinny idiots that blames lack of comprehension on writers by insisting Canon must have been violated when nothing of the sort happened. Are they paying me? What a joke sprung fresh from the mind of an *beep*
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Do you ever stop insulting people when they don't agree with you? Wtf is your problem, seriously? Someone says something and you go on and call them idiots and all kinds of things because it's "so obvious" and "they are wrong, I am right, they are stupid, I am smart". I don't understand how these two arguments give you any right to insult anyone. Even if you are right and they missed some points, it still doesn't mean you can just go around and call people idiots. Take your frustrations out in some other way.
shareThere's at least 7 posters who are countering YOU so I don't know how you think you're winning the argument of "Is the Cure a plot hole". I mean, it's obvious to all of us that yes, it is. They are inconsistently and illogically writing this plot line, but sure, believe what you will about how this storyline makes all the sense in the world.
Katherine was drained of her blood. that is what we saw. But anyways, since you seem to have your own interpretation of that plot. Explain to me why, if we can just take one mini injection of the cure and turn into a human--why was the cure such a big deal? Why didn't each of them just take a shot of Katherine or Elena's blood and cure themselves? Caroline didn't want to, fine. But why was it always a matter of, "only one person can have the cure in their body at a time" when all they had to do was inject like a few ccs of blood. Damon, Elena, Stefan and Enzo could have ALL been cured right now. Let me know, since we're all idiots and you seem to be the only informed one.
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I may be forgetting something but since when the cure for vampirism in in elena's blood?
and why they just dont use a little bit of it for various needs like bonnie could use it for enzo and then they could take some blood for cade
In season 5, when Amara sucked the cure from Silas, she also didn't have to suck all of his blood and the cure still worked.
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