The same thing when they decided to take the cure out of ELena to use it against Cade, against Elena's wishes? So why are people upset with Bonnie doing the same thing? At the end of the day, all of them were taking out the cure without Elena's "permission"
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The only people that are upset are dumb DE shippers who don't see the irony or hypocrisy in their complaint since Damon raped Caroline and yet they still stan him. DE shippers also loathe Bonnie because she's what keeping them apart for now
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It's Bonnie's fault that Kai placed the curse in the first place. Nevermind the fact that it was their precious Damon that talked Bonnie into trapping Kai in the first place. Somehow he's completely blameless...
It's no point really trying to understand the obvious biasedness and hypocrisy in this fandom. Smh.
My ass may be dumb, but I ain't no dumbass...
Damon is normally blameless.
The circumstances make him do all those stuff while at the same time others shouldnt be affected by circumstances!!
I am still very confused at what is all this anger at Bonnie about?
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Because Bonnie intended to give the cure to Enzo before she had to use it on Stefan. This could've possibly messed up Damon and Elena's human life together.
It was seen as selfishness on Bonnie's part because she didn't get permission from Elena to extract the cure in the first place.
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It was seen as selfishness on Bonnie's part because she didn't get permission from Elena to extract the cure in the first place.
DE Stans come up with excuses just to solely blame Bonnie, when it comes to "betraying" Elena. Mainly most of the time their anger has something to do with their ship or how they see the happiness of their ships future in trouble.
Like how they blame her for locking Kai in 1903 and ignore Damon's idea in it or that Lily gave Kai the idea to get back at Damon.
They blamed her in a way for the Damon sleeping with Krystal situation. Like it's her job to mind who Damon sleeps with for the sake of Elena. But, excuse Damon for the actual deed by saying that he thought Elena was dead.
And now this. Trying to find a reason for why it's alright for Damon/Caroline to take Elena's blood without her permission but not Bonnie.
They could've gone into Elena's mind, the same way the characters said goodbye to her in 6x23. I'm guessing there was no time? But Enzo was there, at least for Bonnie. Damon and Caroline? I guess they were going to take the cure and explain it away later?
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Of course they should have done that before Cade had told them to kill another 1000 people just for the heck of it OR some other weird game of his OR killed someone else! Plenty of time to chill and ask around/ take Elena's permission.
And even if they had, I honestly dont think Elena would have minded. Almost 99% sure.
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The thing is that Bonnie was doing it behind Damon's back.
Which would be worse - to live as a monster, or to die as a good man?
I'm no delena shipper and I blame the 3 of them for even thinking about taking it without her permission but blame Bonnie for backstabbing her 2 best friends by stealing/risking their future
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I dont see anyone accusing Damon/caroline for thinking of that solution.
Anyway it is a STUPID argument. They have a bigger enemy to face. SHould they wait for Elena to wake up to tackle the problem or take care of it before he ruins rest of them?!
I think answer is very obvious.
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Bonnie for backstabbing her 2 best friends by stealing/risking their future
^ this or killed her!!
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DE fans are suffering from mental illness. Don't try to make sense of the things they say.
shareI'd assume they think the difference is that Damon gave some type of implicit permission [over Elena's body] when it came to the Cade plan. But when it came to what Bonnie did, she acted on her own feelings without consulting anyone else.
Not that i have any issue with that. Bonnie is more than allowed to drain Elena of all her blood and give an entire orphanage of vampires with "Elena's'" cure.
Delena gets treated as one entity from what I can see. Anything happening to Damon or Elena is a problem because of what it'll mean for Delena's future.
A rose is just a rose.
No. Not bonnie not anyone has the right to even touch Elena s body without her permission. In what freaking world she get to decide anything about elena s life because of the so called sacrifices she did for her? No freaking way
shareIf anybody can make a descion regarding Elena it's Bonnie. She is irrevocably tied to her. She could have said *beep* Elena and become immortal leaving Elena to sleep forever. Her plan was going to end with Damon and Elena being together after she and Enzo died naturally. Now because Damon neglected to tell her Stephan was coming to them, the perfect plan was ruined.
shareNot really as doesn't becoming immortal mean becoming undead? hence the need for blood and such, and magic binding the lives doesn't become endless if the mortal becomes immortal, such as when Elena died & became a vampire, Alaric died properly the bond didn't extend beyond her mortal life.
Wasn't a perfect plan either, rather stupid in all honesty, ignoring the simple mistakes that could happen to ruin everything them doing what they would easily make them both viable targets for Cade, especially Bonnie whose selfish choice contrasting against her otherwise selfless nature would make her soul especially appetising for Cade.
Cant argue on the Damon point though, what a moron, who tries to reason with a deranged sociopath out for blood instead of warning his victims if you have ample opportunities to do both, all it would take is a single text and he could then natter with Stefan for as long as he wanted, the dumb *beep*.
If they have no right to touch her body, then they probably shouldn't even be moving her body across the country all these times to keep her from getting killed. I mean, if they're not allowed to touch her body when they need her help then they also shouldn't be looking out for her body because their sacrifices mean absolutely nothing.
So is Damon allowed to touch her body? How was he intending on getting the cure for Cade without Elena's permission?
A rose is just a rose.
Heck no she doesn t. She has absolutly no right to put even one finger on elena s body without her permission much less take a life decision about her
shareWhen did Damon rape Caroline? I know he compelled her to do stuff for him but I don't remember him compelling her to have sex with him. From what I saw, she wanted that very much anyway, before Damon even spoke to her.
shareThe difference was that Bonnie was doing it for her and Enzo while Damon and Caroline were choosing to do it (as a last resort) to save innocent lives and stop Cade. Had there been another option that didn't involve people dying they would have taken it. Bonnie taking the cure out of Elena for her own personal gain comes off more selfish compared to Damon and Caroline trying to stop Cade and prevent anyone from dying in their situation. On the other hand they should have at least warned Bonnie and Enzo that Stefan was coming so they could've be on guard.
shareDamon was against the Cade idea too, because he selfishly wanted the cure only for himself. He had no choice but to go along with it. Without time constraints he would have not agreed to Caroline's plan.
shareThat's pretty much what I was saying. Had there been another option they would have gladly taken it but with the situation they were in there was no other choice.
shareWhat's wrong with taking the cure? How does that effect Elena?
shareCertain things give you leeway to do things that are otherwise a no no, such as a maniac break into your house has a family member at knife point and tells you he's gonna slit their throat, your pretty much golden if you shoot him at that point, you walk past the same guy in the morning and he ask's you to spare some change and you blow his head off, that's murder and your going to get arrested and likely spend a long time in jail.
Bonnie & Enzo didn't need the cure, they simply wanted it so they could have an even happier life together, using it against Cade however was sort of a need, he's walking among them setting people on fire with his mind for stealing, demanding Damon murders 100 people in a single day to appease him, setting Stefan free to do the same or kill Elena and cant be killed it seems, you have a foe like that you make certain exceptions.
Also it goes to what would Elena consent to, without a doubt she'd agree to it to stop Cade, but if Bonnie was willing to be selfish for her future why wouldn't Elena want to be selfish also? Especially where she and Damon are in the more dire need for it, Bonnie & Enzo want it to spend the rest of their lives together, as do Damon & Elana, problem is Elena & Damon need it to spend their lives together, Bonnie & Enzo don't, they cant live an eternal life together if Bonnie became a vampire, Elena's taken the cure she cant become a vampire again, so the only chance with her & Damon is for Damon to become human also, obviously both still have option C which is what Enzo was ok with, but it's not ideal.
People who are angry at Bonnie are because she took it without Elena's permission, so why not get angry at Damon and Caroline too when they proposed the same idea?
That is only my observation.
Especially where she and Damon are in the more dire need for it, Bonnie & Enzo want it to spend the rest of their lives together, as do Damon & Elena, problem is Elena & Damon need it to spend their lives together, Bonnie & Enzo don't, they cant live an eternal life together if Bonnie became a vampire, Elena's taken the cure she cant become a vampire again, so the only chance with her & Damon is for Damon to become human also, obviously both still have option C which is what Enzo was ok with, but it's not ideal.
Damon & Caroline well Caroline's plan was to do something they all know Elena would consent to, using the cure to stop Cade and break his hold over Damon & Stefan and threat he may pose to Caroline's kids, that's a no brainer hence it gets leeway from the they should get actual consent issue.
Bonnie wanting it so she can have the same as what Elena wants is different, because it's not a sure thing she would consent to, given that Bonnie could live an eternal life with Enzo by being a vampire, which at this point wouldn't be a sacrifice of her magic as it is shown for others as Bonnie has been without magic for a while now anyway and I'm guessing assumed she wasn't getting them back, plus she's gotten used to it before also.
Elena cant choose she has just her mortal life span, one she wants to spend with a mortal Damon, which is why she took the cure because Damon wanted to be mortal with her, it's not a clear cut she'd say yes to Bonnie taking the cure from her to give to Enzo and potentially risk her own future with Damon, if Bonnie is willing to be selfish and harvest the cure from a coma patient why wouldn't Elena want to be selfish also?
Also understand the difference bonnie & Enzo had the option of eternal life together as vampires, Elena & Damon have no option but a mortal life together, then either they both die if mortal or Damon lives on as an immortal vampire, either way they get 1 lifetime together, same went for Bonnie & Enzo but they had more options than Damon & Elena and could make those choices together, Damon & Elena cant, well they did actually and they decided to live a mortal life together, before they were happy living an eternal life together, either way they didn't want to be without one another.
Also Bonnie & Enzo have been together for years as mortal & immortal, Damon & Elena didn't get together until she was also a vampire so she didn't choose to be with him and have to grow old as he stayed eternally young, she didn't even decide to be human again unless it was with him, Bonnie however did get together with a vamp as a mortal knowing what that ultimately means, and she only recently like literally 2 eps ago changed her mind, and then almost straight away ran off to harvest the blood of her best friend.
Add to it they know jack about what will actually happen to Elena or anybody if the cure is removed regardless of age, they just assume Katherine died because of her age but that may not be the case, so Bonnie could have been sacrificing her best friend for her own happiness, unintentionally but still, a whole different kettle of fish to wanting to use it to kill the devil whose killing people with a look and setting unkillable ripper Stefan on people and who can tap other supernatural siblings to do his biding.
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shareAssuming or thinking that someone would want something a certain way is still not getting their consent. Caroline and Damon can't say what they "know" that Elena would approve of them taking it for Cade, without Elena voicing it herself.
By the law one can't take something from a person based off what they "know" a person would want, if someone can't voice their consent. So Damon and Caroline should be on the same level of blame, if people want to say that Bonnie did it without Elena's consent.
By the law one can't take something from a person based off what they "know" a person would want, if someone can't voice their consent. So Damon and Caroline should be on the same level of blame, if people want to say that Bonnie did it without Elena's consent.
Except for the part where the reason behind why they were doing it, one is to save hundreds of lives possibly more, the other is so 2 people can have a slightly better life together.
As I said you kill someone to save the life of another when thye are a clear an imminent danger you don't get sent down for murder, you kill the sod because he annoys you by begging for cash then you will.
The scenarios are not the same though they have similar elements to them, had this same issue this week with ppl on the Arrow board, ask why is it ok for them to kill people who are trying to murder them in a fight, but it's wrong for the new BC to kill an unarmed prisoner in cold blood when he's just standing there.
You have a point on the consent thing in regards to knowing what she would and wouldn't agree to, but I think it's safe to guess what one she would have no qualms about and which one she would, given she was willing to sacrifice her life to save her friends before, but had little issue moving forward on from Stefan to Damon despite still caring about Stefan even if she wasn't in love with him anymore, she wont be selfish with other peoples lives but may be in regards to her happiness over someone else's.
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shareAdd to it they know jack about what will actually happen to Elena or anybody if the cure is removed regardless of age, they just assume Katherine died because of her age but that may not be the case,
Also understand the difference bonnie & Enzo had the option of eternal life together as vampires, Elena & Damon have no option but a mortal life together
if Bonnie is willing to be selfish and harvest the cure from a coma patient why wouldn't Elena want to be selfish also?
Bonnie however did get together with a vamp as a mortal knowing what that ultimately means
Elena choosing to risk her life to have a normal mortal life with Damon is different than Bonnie risking Elena's life so Bonnie can have a normal mortal life with Enzo.
Elena took the cure after Damon made his intentions known, he didn't get the chance to take it right after because Lily abducted Elena, by the time Damon caught up with Elena she thought Damon was being rash, so she wasn't going to let him be human without thinking things through properly.
As for Stefan she offered him the cure before and he turned it down, hence why Elena having the other cure to use on Katherine, now maybe I forgot if Stefan had a huge I wish I had taken the cure from you before speech to her in S5 & 6 but unless he did I don't get how it's selfish her choosing to take the cure at that point which Bonnie brought back specifically for Elena to use, if she were assuming Stefan's perspective hadn't done a 180 at that point.
As for Elena hooking up with Stefan she hooked up with him when she was naïve 16 year old schoolgirl, and was falling for him before she knew he was a vampire, Bonnie however is a more worldly especially given what she's been through close to mid 20's something women, who knowingly hooked up with a vampire, so I grade their choices a little differently I guess
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shareBonnie also has the ability to prolong her life but that also means Elena is asleep longer...
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