Ugliest of the ugly


All our money, people.......those checks they get....its mine and yours......and not even a thank you. Thank God for disease.

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being *beep* crazy is a disability. At least it keeps them in West Virginia and out of the voting booth.

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Their vote gets counted, whether they vote or not......

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And no doubt, they're siding with Bocephus (Democrats are Nazis), watching Faux News (the Whites are their dream demographic) and will be voting against their own self interests. The bright side of that is perhaps their "entitlements" will all go away.

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I agree that they're exploiting the system in an alarming way, but anybody who's ever been to that part of America can see how much they themselves have been exploited. Pretty much the only thing it has going for it is the natural beauty, which of course has been destroyed and exploited by outside interests for years, and yes we're also paying for that exploitation via tax breaks. I am proud to say I grew up in WV. What are these people going to do, work at Taco Bell for minimum wage? It's just as much of a dead-end as the lifestyle they're living, trust me. These people have FAR fewer realistic options than inner city folks do. The entire economy of coal country is built on exploitation, so let's not get up on our high horse too much.

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"lets not get up on our high horse too much"
Are you kidding me? Just wait a couple years and the next generation will be a bunch of jailbirds (again). They shouldnt be behaving the way they are if they have kids. Do i think the kids should be taken away from them? Well, thats none of my business and i dont have any say in that matter, but just because the local economy is bad, that doesn't excuse their extremely reckless behavior.

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I'm not excusing their behavior or making any kind of judgment on it. I'm just trying to explain how they've been dealt a bad hand and, like most people in those kind of circumstances, have very few realistic options where they live. I don't see their outlaw lifestyle as being much more "reckless" than that of the lifestyles of the 29 coal miners that were killed in a mine explosion in July 2010, or for that matter the lifestyle of anyone who'd choose to start a family in such extremely tenuous economic times.

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I lived in WV for 29 years and there are plenty of opportunities there. If you make decent grades in high school, you can get free tuition to any of the state schools, WVU, Glenville State, Fairmont State, etc. Coal mining jobs pay anywhere from 50 to 80 thousand a year, and there are countless jobs in and around the state's major university.

I'm finishing up a PhD in chemical physics here in Tennessee and it really makes me angry when so called depressed people take advantage of the welfare system. Those people drive nice cars and have plenty of money for drugs but want to remain there and live the way they do. They aren't exploited, they're scum.

I and countless other people make it out of there. Those that choose to stay do so because they think it's "dumb" or "stupid" to get an education and find a job. I know a lot of people like the White family and every one of them just needs a boot in their butt.

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You shouldn't have to leave home to get a decent job.

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There are lots of good jobs there. My father makes almost 100K a year doing natural gas transportation services. You can't expect to move 5 miles down the road and make a hundred grand a year, however. Charleston is near Boone county, and there are lots of opportunities there. Doctor's are wanted badly for rural areas, to the point where the state will offer to pay back your loans entirely if you agree to work 3 to 5 years in a rural setting.

B's in high school gets you a PROMISE Scholarship, which is free tuition. Engineers are also badly needed. North central WV is close to Pittsburgh and DC, and Morgantown actually has the 36th lowest unemployment rate in the nation at around 6%. The major university there actually begs for graduate students in a lot of areas.

The bottom line is... it isn't nearly as bad as it seems. Its a cultural thing. Those people think it's funny to milk the system. Momma got her check from the government, now they want theirs too. The joke I always heard growing up in WV was, "You gotta be able to life a 350 chevrolet engine in the back of a pickup truck by yourself to qualify for disability." aka, you can't get it unless you don't deserve it.

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I'm not disagreeing with your point. But your options don't seem like options for the people in the movie. Engineers? Grad students? Doctors? These people are pretty stupid and I wouldn't want any of them operating on me. Bs in high school? I can't believe that there are school systems anywhere that would give scholarships to people like this. If there are, our country is in much bigger trouble than I imagined.

As I say, I'm not disagreeing with you. I got out of WV myself, but you and I both had positive role models, and you are rich -- you mentioned your father makes almost six figures, which is leaps and bounds from these people's lifestyle. Being rich makes a big difference. I taught in high schools and can tell you that most high school students are simply too stupid to get those Bs and get those scholarships, and the majority don't go to college anyway. And that's just people overall, not people in places like Boone County, places where there's a perpetual underclass that just drains the system. It would be nice if there were work opportunities for these kind of people, so we wouldn't end up subsidizing them through welfare, WIC, or prison.

I'm just pointing out that the economy in WV is not built for the working class, because the working class has been exploited for so long that there's not a stable infrastructure in place; all the real money goes out of the state to the coal interests while the poor people either work at Taco Bell, scam the system, or work in the mines. It's no surprise that so many decide to scam the system.

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You taught high school and refer to these kids as stupid...I'd say you're part of what's wrong with this country. I'm glad to have had educators that taught without ridicule.

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Obviously I never told the kids that they were stupid! Jesus, I certainly didn't mean to give that impression. Of course it would be wrong to ridicule high school kids.

But are you suggesting that there are no stupid people in this world? That all people have the same level of intellect? I would think that a person's teacher would be in a pretty good position to determine someone's intelligence. My comments weren't a judgment on people as individuals. I meant my comments merely to suggest that the idea of a great deal of our nation's high school students going off and becoming doctors or engineers is ludicrous, because the vast majority simply lack the intellect (doesn't make them bad people or bad citizens or bad employees; far from it) to do so, and plenty of them are downright stupid.

We're all familiar with the dismal state of education and academic achievement in this country. We consistently rank below a couple of dozens other nations in most categories. Teaching them is a very difficult job. And I'm part of what's wrong? Because I take a realistic view of things and try to do something about it? Not trying to get into a personal sparring match with you (I understand how my words could be misconstrued), just trying to explain myself a bit based on what I think is a relevant experience. Sorry if I sound defensive, but it's a thankless enough job anyway.

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Yes, I agree you shouldn't have to leave home to find a decent home, but thats what Me and about ten million other people are expected to do in the next 10 years that are just moving to the Dallas/ Fort Worth area. You have to to do what you have to do, period in our reality.

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Thank you Daravar. 100% correct!

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I also agree. No matter how grave the circumstances - whether it's rural WV, the projects of Harlem, the trailer parks of Mississippi, or the poorest area of LA - if you want out, you will do what it takes to do so. If anything it should give you MORE of an incentive to not want to continue in the vicious cycle of the people around you. That isn't "culture", that's trashiness.

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I grew up in this culture, and while I managed to escape it thanks to good grades and a loving family who sacrificed so much I have seen what it can do to people.

To grow up in utter hopelessness, in a place that has been exploited for the past 150 years and where opportunities are very few and far between. It leaves a mark on people.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, Katelyn, but which of those areas did you personally grow up in? Rural WV, projects of Harlem, trailer parks of MS, or the poorest areas of LA? What are your friends, family, and acquaintances from back home doing now?

You certainly have to know at least SOME of them who've simply had terrible luck that has precluded them from getting out -- a sick parent that they needed to take care of, or semi-orphaned set of siblings that they had to look out for, or a tough period when their folks lost their jobs or went to prison or got hooked on drugs. You can't possibly think of those people from back home as "trash" or somehow deserving of their plights, can you? Not trying to put down your perspective, just wanting to know a bit more about it.

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I just find it hilarious that they do the exact same things that racists accuse every black person of doing (selling/doing drugs, committing crimes, living off Government checks etc)

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What are these people going to do, work at Taco Bell for minimum wage?
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They'd better damn well be working at Taco Bell if that's all they got. Its better to be working and earning than lazing around mooching off the government just because Taco Bell is a "dead-end job."

After all, if you legitimately can't make ends meet despite working, you can STILL get government benefits. The difference is you're paying into the system too - so it kind of evens out.

And someplace like TB may not be the most glamorous or prestigious place to work, but it still has its benefits. Places like that HATE paying overtime so you're pretty well set in knowing they're not going to work you to death. Do your 8 hours and go home.

Its work that you don't "take home" with you. Again, do your 8 hours and go home, never thinking of it again until you clock-in again.

And while fast-food work is manually hard (on your feet all day, sweaty, annoying customers), its mentally easy once you get the hang of it. After a month, you can do it with one hand tied behind your back.

Best of all, jobs like that will always be around and they're fairly easy to get hired on.

I dropped out of college after I received my associate's degree. I had only completed my core curriculum for my major, so I pretty much just had a "High School Part II" degree. Virtually nothing. So it was time to go to work. I didn't have the education to get a "career-job" but just a "job-job." In my delusion of grandeur, I reckoned I was "above" fast-food and Walmart, so I ONLY applied for clerical positions. No college education required, but at least it was more "prestigious" than flipping burgers.

It took me nearly a year to get a job. Getting the interview was the easy part, but the applicant pool was FILLED with people just like me who didn't want to flip burgers. It was HARD to get a clerical position, but finally I got one!

Worked there 4 years and hated every second of it. I decided to go back to school and finish my degree.

Two years later, I had my B.A. Yippee for me, except I graduated right at the beginning of the recession and nobody in my major was hiring. Unfortunately, I had chosen a very limited major that only ONE job could fulfill (print journalism). It was either the newspaper or nothing at all.

The paper wasn't hiring so I was stuck needing a job and I still was virtually at my starting point - "no education," in that I wasn't educated in anything other than newspaper writing.

I was married by then and was expected to bring in SOME kind of income, no matter how small. I couldn't just sit around and wait for a clerical position again. I just swallowed my pride and forgot about being "above" anything.

So I FIRST applied at Walmart, first and foremost, and was hired on the spot. I didn't even have a chance to apply anywhere else, I got the interview and job THAT fast.

Let me tell you, it felt like CRAP to wear that blue vest and know that I had a college degree. It felt like CRAP to wipe down dining tables and kiss customer butt. It felt like CRAP to have that dorky little nametag. There was quite a bit about the job I didn't like.

But let me tell ya, I actually enjoyed it, generally speaking. They literally kicked me out the door after 8 hours. Every 2 hours, I took a break. On slow days, we got to branch out into other departments to break the monotony. I got a raise after 3 months, then again when I was promoted soon after (so I got two raises back-to-back). Evaluation time meant another raise, then with more promotions came more money. I wasn't rolling in the dough, but I was making about $2000 a month for just doing the same 'ol, same'ol kissing customer butt, stocking shelves, unlocking the video game cabinet, sweeping floors. (but I admit we had fairly good management)

It really wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

The work was physically hard, but mentally as easy as pie. Its a predictable job where you know what is expected of you. Not accounting for the public, its a pretty stress-free job. To me, the customers were the only people who brought a lot of stress. Management could be stupid sometimes, but normally they were just regular 'ol people. As long as you do what is expected of you, they stay out of your hair.

But nobody wants to work at Walmart, just like they don't want to work at Taco Bell. Everybody wants that cushy job with an office, and frankly, that's too bad. You do what you have to do to make an honest living.

Nobody is "above" working for minimum wage. Not you, not me, not them. Thankfully, now that the worst of the recession is over, jobs like these are pretty plentiful again. If that's all there is, then you TAKE THEM. No excuses...dead-end or not, its a job.

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