The worst thing about this movie - The Final (2011) Discussion

[–] eric_m_bi 12 years ago

Actually, I think this movie is to demonstrate how misunderstood these "outcasts' can be; that's the theme I got from it. Everyone thinks they're these violent people, but here we see what made them that way.

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[–] AintIt 11 years ago

Yeah, except its all *beep* These guys didn't go through anything tons of others haven't without turning all jigsaw on people. What they are, is a bunch of sheep led by a suicidal sociopath (Dane)

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[–] eric_m_bi 11 years ago

Yeah, except its all *beep* These guys didn't go through anything tons of others haven't without turning all jigsaw on people. What they are, is a bunch of sheep led by a suicidal sociopath (Dane)

IMO, all the people you are referencing are weak-willed. If you are ready to commit suicide, are you going to go alone or are you going to take your abusers with you? There are plenty of reports where after the victim has killed himself or herself, the bullies go to the funeral and laugh at how ugly the victim looks in the casket or how stupid their clothes still look in death. If I were pushed to the level of suicide, I'll be damned if I let these perpetrators get away with it.

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[–] AintIt 11 years ago

I wouldn't say people who commit suicide, except certain special cases, are defined as a group by their strong will. Also kinda telling about just how Dane got em all to go along with this hare-brained scheme.

For these people to commit suicide over the banal *beep* that happens to them in this movie, they either have to have wills with the resiliency of toilet paper, or be neurologically defficient. In no way shape or form does the acts of the bullies warrant suicide, because A: the bullying, as said earlier, is rather banal, B: ITS *beep* High-school.

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[–] EarthAD 11 years ago

If you got "outcasts are psychos" out of this movie then you were either never bullied or you were a bully that grew up. This movie shows that all the anti bullying campaigns and Glee episodes won't stop bullying and teachers and students will always look the other way at bullying. I took from this movie that the outcasts weren't so much taking revenge but sending a message to the world. "There are more like us out there." And to the OP... What's more sadistic and psychotic? Torturing the innocent or torturing the one who tortures the innocent?

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[–] Sania696 11 years ago

I think it's safe to say this movie's deeper purpose really was not about spreading the anti-bullying message. Maybe it was made to show us just how easily we can turn normal kids into monsters by torturing and degrading them? I saw that they were bullied kids, but what followed after and where their minds traveled to for revenge was all wrong.

They went from kids to monsters.

"Gentlemen, you had my curiosity. But now you have my attention."(Calvin Candie)
-Django Unchained

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[–] conangirl 11 years ago

and just like most movies - there is no "middle ground" or "common sense" between the bullies or the wimps. Hollywood is all about EXTREMES..

Where i come from or where i went to school/work, many kids had gotten bullied - even myself. Maybe it's because i didn't come from a middle to upper middle class area. If any one heard of Bedford Stuyes, or Highland Park, or if anyone worked at Beth Israel, they can relate.

We were taught, that if you were being bullied.. you just didn't keep letting it happen. Our parents taught us to fight back or don't come home. Trust me on this one. It works.. there were free classes at the local "Y" to teach kids and women how to defend themselves against gangs in packs. The cops were never around. And the teachers were absolutely worthless.

Because of my culture/background, and many of us who watched this movie, we could not understand why the actors were portrayed as effeminate karate dummies. Especially the guys. Not once did they even raise a hand to defend themselves.. They just took on the role of helpless girls, hoping someone else would rescue them from their horrible lives.

In my neighborhood, they would not only be bullied - at a certain age, they'd wind up on the street corners wearing wigs, makeup high heels while making very good money, i assure you.

some days, it's not worth chewing through the restraints..

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[–] ave_roma2004 10 years ago

I don't really care if the outcasts are portrayed as psychopaths. There isn't anything wrong with being a sociopath who will hurt someone without feeling anything. That's called being an apex predator.

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