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Enjoyed Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and The Walking Dead...


so if you were a betting person would you bet that i would enjoy this show too? (i haven't seen it yet btw)

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It is far better than the shows you mention, very different though

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There is no universe where Rubicon is anywhere NEAR as good as Mad Men or Breaking Bad. It's uneven, ridiculous, simple-minded and saved by two or three performances at best with the least interesting protagonist on TV.

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you say that because you don't understand the concepts and ideas behind the show, fortunately there are IMDB-users out there who get it

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you say that because you don't understand the concepts and ideas behind the show,

The world is full of sad people who think they are the only ones clever enough to understand the concepts and idea behind any show. There are plenty of people who fully understand this show but also do realise that it is flawed.

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Furious George 47: "It's uneven, ridiculous, simple-minded and saved by two or three performances at best with the least interesting protagonist on TV."

I would be curious to know which are the two or three series-saving performances. I couldn't count one.

As for the "concepts and ideas behind the show". I do not understand how these are related to bad acting, bad direction and a mindless script. The producers of this garbage must think we are all idiots.

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"I'm looking forward to The Killing but I fear cancellation is likely for it as well,"

The original series of "The Killing" is now in to its third series in Denmark. Please do not be fobbed off with an American re-make. The first series, now being shown in Britain, has become an absolute cult classic. People are hailing it as the best cop show ever and the character Sarah Lund as a a true star.

If you are put off by sub-titles, don't be. Within five minutes, you don't realise that you are reading them.

If you enjoy quality television such as Mad Men, Breaking Bad and Deadwood then I guarantee that you will not be disappointed by the original version of "The Killing"

I don't know how you get the idea that the show is about a kid. Where did that come from?

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you say that because you don't understand the concepts and ideas behind the show, fortunately there are IMDB-users out there who get it


Yawn! These immature retorts to what I deem to be very fair criticisms of "Rubicon" are becoming as tedious as the show itself. It is nothing more than a low-budget, pseudo-intellectual drama for pseudo-intellectuals like yourself. I watch T.V. shows like this to be entertained. If you want something intellectually stimulating put on a documentary or pick up a book!

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To the brilliant FuriousGeorge47:

Mad Men is the very definition of uneven, at least since season 2.

Go away and watch trash like Spartacus, troll.

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The first four eps kind of suck, but then it hits its stride and is quite good

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Oh look another guy who thinks his opinion is an objective fact, and manages not to do a double-take while using ridiculous hyperboles!

Rubicon is anything but uneven. It is consistently slow in the beginning (which I find refreshing in television, but I understand if others don't), then consistently builds pace as it finds its ground, then is consistently good all the way to the end. That's my take on it, at least, but I feel like that really is the majority opinion of people that watched from start to finish and weren't looking for *beep* excuses to hate it.

My personal AMC tier from least good the best is The Walking Dead <<<< Rubicon << Mad Men << Breaking Bad.

TWD I find to be good but has a fair number of dramatic hiccups or missed storytelling opportunities. First episode, I'd say, is on par with the other three shows.

Rubicon I've already explained, and if you watch it as a single cohesive work (did so recently, rather than each week), it stands even taller, and the slow burn is much more tolerable.

Mad Men I find very satisfying just because there is no danger of it having a rushed or abbreviated or outright cancellation-induced ending. The storylines they establish always get resolved or continue, and although they are probably beyond the scope of what they expected to reach, season-wise and thus flying by the seats of their pants, it's still solid enough to maintain an edge on Rubicon.

Breaking Bad is the best of the bunch, consistently solid, surprising, moving, funny, entertaining... it's the whole package. The massive amount of taxing but subtle dramatic acting and visual metaphors really push it as a show that I think of as art. Only some of Rubicon and Mad Men (and only the very first episode of TWD) come close to that poignancy for me.

I'm looking forward to The Killing but I fear cancellation is likely for it as well, now that AMC is changing the name of the game to Ratings Matter Here. The fact that it will be a serialized show about an ongoing investigation is bothersome. The fact that it's about a small child, and thus emotionally taxing in all likelihood, is even more bothersome, because that will turn off a lot of cop show viewers who want fluffy unreality. It's things such as these that had The Wire be a show with low ratings despite its dogged excellence. Then the fact that it follows the ripples through the community suggests that it will be a character show, and focus on a lot of people in no way related to the investigation, solely for dramatic purposes. That's something I'd expect and hope for from AMC storytelling, but it's also something that ensures the show will go the way of Rubicon. "BORING!" "SO SLOOOWWWW." It's a double-edged sword, because the approach that will get high ratings is frankly terrible, and the best one will shun the ratings in all likelihood.

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The original showrunner for Rubicon was fired and someone else came on board to tweak the show and work the bugs out. It was a smart move as the show improved greatly when the original showrunner departed after the initial episodes.

Rubicon is a bit uneven because you can tell when the producers were switched, as there are tonal differences.

The quality of the writing/directing in Rubicon is much better than The Walking Dead, which has major script issues and uneven direction. The Walking Dead makes up for it's technical weaknesses by being incredibly fun though. Bonus points for doing it's own thing and having nothing else on air that's comparable. :)

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I haven't seen Breaking Bad but it's closer to Mad Men than Walking Dead in that it's a slow character centered drama.


"Unless Alpert's covered in bacon grease, I don't think Hugo can track anything."

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Rubicon, I felt was a much more subtle show than Mad Men or Breaking Bad.
Extremely good, and could get really tense when it wanted to, Mad Men and Breaking Bad are similar in that aspect but are much different at the same time.

I love all three shows, The Walking Dead not so much, but you should like it just fine.

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just so you know, when I wrote that flamebait I had neither watched Mad Men or Breaking Bad and only seen first two ep's of the walking dead.

I just liked that Rubicon was very slow and moody for a TV show and that Truxton Spangler was cool.

Now I have gone through Breaking Bad which is a brilliant show, most def top 10 of all time, Rubicon is not, it was just sooo darn promising.

I will never watch Mad Men though, it's like watching West Wing or something, that's not gonna happen

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