So why did Deadshot intentionally miss Harley Quinn?
he could have seen his daughter and his freedom after all
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Bad writing likely sourced from Will Smith's preposterous contractual obligations about protecting his preciously narcissistic self-image.
shareHe knew that Waller was lying, and would rather side with his ragtag team instead of the tyrant boss.
share/\ This. People didn't saw the same movie that I did. She had just killed a bunch of people that worked with her. He had seen it. Would you really trust the word of someone like that?
It seems that in these days people aren't able to think, they need everything explained to the detail.
Cause he wuvs her.
"I was always a lover, despite the killings."
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It seems that in these days people aren't able to think, they need everything explained to the detail.
I agree he probably knew she was lying but that doesn't make the scene make sense. First Deadshot thought Harley and her "friend" were going to deactivate his necklace. That didn't happen and Harley left him high and dry at her first opportunity. This easily could've been seen as a double cross and worthy of being shot on it's own.
Granted that alone may not be reason enough for Deadshot as the character is portrayed less like a super villain and more like a big softy. But the bigger reason could be in what you typed:
"She had just killed a bunch of people that worked with her. He had seen it. Would you really trust someone like that?"
Exactly. He may not have trusted her to grant his freedom if he killed Harley but why would he trust her not to execute him at a moment's notice for disobeying? Self preservation would've been a pretty solid motive for killing Harley at that point.
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Exactly. He may not have trusted her to grant his freedom if he killed Harley but why would he trust her not to execute him at a moment's notice for disobeying? Self preservation would've been a pretty solid motive for killing Harley at that point.
That's actually pretty simple. His mission to escort her out of the danger zone was not completed yet. She needed him, and it's pretty obvious that she did. She needed all of them. Fact of the matter is they could have called her bluff when she threatened all of them before the roof top scene. It would make no sense for her to kill all of them and try to be escorted out of the hot spot with only flagg at her side. She was still in clear and present danger once the helicopter was taken over by Joker and his men. She could kill Harley at that point as a slight against her pride, but Deadshot? No, he was still needed. He was aware of that and so was she. He was still an asset worth keeping.
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That's actually pretty simple. His mission to escort her out of the danger zone was not completed yet. She needed him, and it's pretty obvious that she did. She needed all of them.
I get what you're saying but while I said she could execute him at a moment's notice, I didn't say she would execute him at that exact moment. By disobeying her what would have stopped her from executing him at her earliest convenience after he's served his usefulness to the mission.
I think the case should've been made that he had a genuine connection with Harley and that's why he didn't shoot her, but the movie really didn't flesh that out very well at all. Except for one brief moment between the two (which proved meaningless when Harley left Deadshot high and dry when her necklace was turned off) there was no real reason given why he should've gone out a limb for her.
The comment I took exception to from ruhenri was:
It seems that in these days people aren't able to think, they need everything explained to the detail.
If we're to connect the dots ourselves because the movie doesn't feel the need to explain it fully (i.e. why didn't Deadshot kill Harley) we're also left to look at the conflicting arguments available. It's not that I didn't understand possible reasons why Deadshot didn't kill Harley, it's just that I really didn't buy them. share
I get what you're saying but while I said she could execute him at a moment's notice, I didn't say she would execute him at that exact moment. By disobeying her what would have stopped her from executing him at her earliest convenience after he's served his usefulness to the mission.
Unfortunately for them this is a risk they take even if they follow the mission to a "T". They are all disposable resources. Meaning even if they were just sitting in their cells doing whatever it is they do if she felt so inclined she could just blow one of them up. This is kind of a thing that doesn't really sit right with me in general with the whole premise, comics or movie. It sort of takes away from the "do it and you live" idea if she walks around with the attitude she can kill them whenever. It swiftly turns into "Do it and you live, or you don't I haven't decided yet" which would yield them no real reason to actually follow through if they think they are dead already.
I think the case should've been made that he had a genuine connection with Harley and that's why he didn't shoot her, but the movie really didn't flesh that out very well at all. Except for one brief moment between the two (which proved meaningless when Harley left Deadshot high and dry when her necklace was turned off) there was no real reason given why he should've gone out a limb for her.
After reading the series, and seeing Assault on Arkham BEFORE seeing Suicide squad I was hoping for this exactly. The moment she gave that flirty "You're my friend too" I instantly thought they were going to go through with it, but nope. Did not happen. Frustrated me honestly.
It's not shocking that she did leave him high and dry at all, she would have true to character. Even with their tryst she never really was loyal to the guy when Joker was around.
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As explained in the bar scene, he doesn't kill women.
shareThey stated in the movie that he never would shoot women or children. It was part of his moral code. He wasn't going to change that based on a hollow promise Waller made that he couldn't even trust.
shareBecause the studio forgot these guys were all villains.
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