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Could This Be The End...

posted 8 years ago by robbystoner
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..of the Film Critic?

As we have seen, Suicide Squad got trampled by much of the mass media and critics upon release. The predictions were this film was going to be a bigger flop than Batman vs Superman.

Fast forward two months ahead and its still in first run theaters and just outpaced the first Iron Man film in 2008 which supposedly kick started this entire comic strip film franchise business to a new level back in 2008.

What are the lessons learned from this? Are film critics even relevant anymore? Does the public even care or bother to listen to them? Have film critics and film criticism in general become a lost voice in the mass flood of media that clobbers people today from all sides -- television, Internet, twitter, facebook, podcasts?

Can this really be the end..to be stuck inside of mobile
with the Memphis blues again.

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[–] marianoandi 8 years ago

The problem is that not all critics are trustworthy, and some films aren't as bad as they make them out to be. A fun little film can get a bad rap due to the bandwagon effect. Plus, crappy people can be critics. Anyone can. That said, anyone who listens to the critics 100% will probably miss out. I've trusted critics before and ended up watching pretentious garbage that was "highly acclaimed".

[–] robbystoner 8 years ago

Yes, I will agree with that. There have been lots of films that critics have raved about that I simple didn't get and there have been many that were panned by my fav critics only to discover a few years after its release and I watched it and found them to be much better films than I expected.

Can this really be the end..to be stuck inside of mobile
with the Memphis blues again.

[–] mddwbsst 8 years ago

Nah, I think we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

This is far from the first time that critics have misread a film.

The simple problem is at most their is around a hundred (or so) critics who will review a film.

And several thousand people who will watch it.

Statistically they're going to misread how things will go down some of the time.

[–] robbystoner 8 years ago

Maybe the days of Roger's & Ebert's - where a critic can make or break a film - are past us. Maybe the reality that a middle aged, well educated and very knowledgeable about Cinema film critic/writer is so detached from the mind set of the younger generation audience that their opinion is irrelevant?

Can this really be the end..to be stuck inside of mobile
with the Memphis blues again.

[–] mddwbsst 8 years ago

Maybe, but its a bit to soon to judge for sure.

[–] grrzelda 8 years ago

I blame the educational system, for turning out hordes of "consumers" who can't think critically enough to know the difference between quality and crap filmmaking. And I'm not talking about the people who enjoy the occasional badly-made, or purposely ludicrous film, but people who just can't even see that there IS a difference.

[–] Saturn-Ascends 8 years ago

robbystoner
» 1 day ago (Fri Sep 30 2016 04:02:19) Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2011

Could This Be The End....of the Film Critic?

No.

As we have seen, Suicide Squad got trampled by much of the mass media and critics upon release. The predictions were this film was going to be a bigger flop than Batman vs Superman.

It still is a flop thanks to expensive reshoots increasing its already big budget.

Fast forward two months ahead and its still in first run theaters

Pretty normal for movies.

and just outpaced the first Iron Man film in 2008 which supposedly kick started this entire comic strip film franchise business to a new level back in 2008.

Oh wow 2008? Why is it no one wants to compare it to a recent movie, say Guardians of the Galaxy? Oh right because SS blew a huge lead over it.

What are the lessons learned from this? Are film critics even relevant anymore? Does the public even care or bother to listen to them? Have film critics and film criticism in general become a lost voice in the mass flood of media that clobbers people today from all sides -- television, Internet, twitter, facebook, podcasts?

Can this really be the end..to be stuck inside of mobile
with the Memphis blues again.

Critics aren't going anywhere just because SS got bad reviews but grossed more money than some expected. It's not the first movie to do this (Transformers, Twilight). It's not as if SS was loved overwhelmingly. Based on that fact that it couldn't beat Deadpool or Finding Dory despite nearly the same OW. Nor could it beat Zootopia, The Jungle Book, or Secret Life of Pets despite opening higher. Hell it won't even pass BvS 

[–] K1l5l 8 years ago

http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/09/07/suicide-squad-was-among-top-five-most-profitable-summer-movies/
I think it's a pretty good bet that SS would have beaten GotG's total if it had opened in China. Even so, it's not like GotG destroyed it at the box office. Deadpool was a surprise hit that happens from time to time. Also, should it have beaten the Disney movies or a movie with Batman and Superman?
Plan?...There ain't no plan!!

[–] Hassan_Scarborough 8 years ago

The RT score hasn't changed and it did in fact make less than BvS, which under performed.

For this film to do less revenue than Deadpool, a film that cost substantially less than Suicide Squad, shows how much of a failure this film is and how much influence the critics still have.

Critics have trashed film before, but so far the films they have embraced have outpaced DCEU completely.

Comparing a film that came out 8years ago isn't a great barometer. Compare a film from this year. Deadpool and Civil war have proven what happens when critics reviews and fan reviews rate a film high, versus a film that has a bad reviews all around.

[–] K1l5l 8 years ago

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/jeff-goldstein-says-warner-bros-is-very-pleased-with-suicide-squads-a144351
http://screenrant.com/suicide-squad-2016-summer-movie-profit/
I know this is really hard for some to accept but this movie just isn't anywhere near being a failure and it's getting pretty sad seeing certain ones keep on trying to hold on to that incorrect notion. Deadpool beating it at the box office doesn't make it anymore of a failure than the many other successful movies that it beat (GotG...even without China).
Plan?...There ain't no plan!!

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[–] K1l5l 8 years ago

That's an argument of personal opinions...box office numbers are not.

Plan?...There ain't no plan!!

[–] K1l5l 8 years ago

Even though Civil War made considerably more (it should...it was an Avengers movie), I will point out that both SS and MoS statistically had better 'legs' at the box office. So...again, the question remains about the critics' influence.

Plan?...There ain't no plan!!

[–] Fluffis 8 years ago

The DCEU has managed the same thing that the Transformers movies have managed - make money in spite of the ratings.

The first two burned out quickly both in the US and internationally, once the hype died down - BVS crashing pretty much outright with just below 50% of its box office earned in the first weekend. The first one to take a fairly large step towards the more humorous action-adventure style of the MCU is chugging along a bit better.

My point is that there is not enough cohesion in how the box office has functioned for the DCEU to draw any kind of conclusion as to how the public has received it in general.

Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

[–] cardinalsfan27 8 years ago

Yes and no. There are many critics that had their minds made up before seeing this movie and talked abou that over social media but that also doesn't mean every critic is that same way.

There does seem to be a trend where critics bash a movie to get clicks for their website though.

[–] Saturn-Ascends 8 years ago

K1l5l
» 9 hours ago (Sat Oct 1 2016 08:32:51) Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since June 2005

http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/09/07/suicide-squad-was-among-top-five-most-profitable-summer-movies/
I think it's a pretty good bet that SS would have beaten GotG's total if it had opened in China. Even so, it's not like GotG destroyed it at the box office. Deadpool was a surprise hit that happens from time to time. Also, should it have beaten the Disney movies or a movie with Batman and Superman?
Plan?...There ain't no plan!!

You should really stop posting these silly articles that claim such and such is profitable based on projections (guesses) for home release, tv rights, etc. Things that haven't happened yet. Until those things happen and happen like they guess it will, it's a flop. Get over it. And yes when a movie opens significantly higher than another it should outgross it. Then only reason why it would because it's not as good of a movie. SS had all of August without a major release yet couldn't even retain the core audience in week 2. SS dropped a big lead over GotG. The DCEU got clobbered this year and that's how it will be remembered.

You should also stop whining about no China release, a direct result of BvS hurting the brand in China.