Both filmakers, whether you liked the films or not, had their own "vision" torn apart in front of their own eyes. Snyders take on BvS was mutilated int he editing bay, giving us barely even a movie in the TC.
Ayer had a very dark, and very serious Cb film which was reshuffled, change of tone, and given to a trailer park to edit.
Both got screwed int he end. But who do you feel worse for?
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Editing aside, Snyder's film had huge problems with its screenplay. The Ultimate Cut was still a bloated mess. The "Martha" moment is ridiculous.
It's difficult to tell whether Ayer originally had a good film before it was hacked apart in the editing suite ... only a "Director's Cut" would tell us otherwise.
At this stage, without all the information, I'd say Ayer got the worst deal.
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Honestly, I don't expect much more from Ayer. I was impressed with some of his writing skills early on but his outings as director even before SS kinda, well, suck.
shareSnyders take on BvS was mutilated int he editing bay, giving us barely even a movie in the TC.
Ayer had a very dark, and very serious Cb film which was reshuffled, change of tone, and given to a trailer park to edit.
i Know from the novelization, that he originally had a drastically different film he made
sharebecause WB greenlit the project to be 3 hours long.
LOTR movies were all 3 hours long so why couldnt BvS be that long?
IMAX. A maximum runtime of about 2.5 hours.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.
Just curious, but why is that?
shareThe film that IMax studios use allows for a maximum runtime of just over 2.5 hours, it is physically impossible for a film shown in IMAX theaters to be longer without having a intermission to change the film.
After GoT finale credits, Nymeria drags Lady Stoneheart to land. It is known.
Ayer.
With Snyder he at least got to have his "vision" released, while it was chopped up he still managed to edit the film he intended whether you hate it or not.
With Ayer I believe he didn't get the opportunity to finish his cut. Now there's a cut floating around out there closer to his vision, but with the film being edited on the side by a trailer company to readjust the tone it essentially stopped his vision. Is it better or worse? No clue.
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Snyder was the one who picked what to cut and what to keep. It is his own fault that BvS sucked. There were a million utterly pointless scenes he could have trimmed out to make room for the more essential stuff, and that still wouldn't have saved BvS from being complete garbage.
Ayer did NOT have a very serious comic book film in mind. Suicide Squad was supposed to be a more fun rump from the very beginning.
Ayer, because he still produced a decent film and it getting it from fans because he's part of the DC crowd. I will NEVER have any pity for Snyder unless he publicly apologizes for butchering Superman and Batman for his "flavor of the week" comments concerning the competition.
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf
Ayer. Without question.
Snyder's inadequate grasp of the characters (regardless of the theatrical version being edited from a cohesive but riddled-with-flaws film to an outright mess) is exactly what caused the studio to crap in Ayer's ear, because aggressively learning the wrong lesson is what WB is known for with these things.
Ayer was given no time at all to write his script despite that it would be an ensemble piece in an unfamiliar genre. They then had a trailer company reedit his film essentially from scratch, to an apparently nigh-unrecognizable point. He was punished in every way possible for the mistakes made by Zack Snyder, who had all the time in the world to realize his 'vision'.