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DC losing streak - why is this happening???


I love Marvel and DC, and I love comic books movies and superheroes generally.

Since 2010, DC has put out 7 live action films based on their comics. Only one of them was well reviewed, and it was directed by Christopher Nolan.

What the heck is going on at DC??

How come Marvel is able to put out film after film after film that the vast majority of the audience enjoys, and DC keeps putting out divisive films that leave half the audience frustrated and disappointed?

Marvel makes it look so easy, and DC just can't seem to make it work.

Are there too many cooks in the kitchen at DC? Or are they just.. putting all their trust in the wrong people?

Seriously, why is this happening?

Please enlighten me, fellow IMDB minions. I can't understand how Marvel could be getting this so right and DC getting this so wrong.

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it's simple - marvel pays critics

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This is such idiocy, I can't believe this is the go-to excuse for DC fanboys. Is Marvel paying audiences to have a negative reaction as well?

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I hated Batman v Superman. Marvel owes me a check.

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Hahahaha

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Sure they do. Because Marvel movies would make NO MONEY AT ALL if it weren't for the critics. Everyone knows that people only see movies if critics love the movies (that's why BvS made less than 50 million bucks, right). Oh, did you mean they pay critics to bash films from other studios? Because that makes sense, too, since having competition has always been seen as the way to AVOID making improvements in a field. And of course, since not only DC comic book movies are competition to MCU films, it's obvious that Marvel is paying critics to bash non-CBMs from other studios, since only MCU films can be seen as good, right?

My god, people are idiots.

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You're an idiot. What's your proof? And why can't DC do it?

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I know, Green Lantern was the greatest film ever made.

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it's simple - marvel pays critics


Ignorance.

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Warner Bros can't get out of their own way. Having mediocre directors doesn't help

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Because you can tell that DC/WB put zero thought into this sh*t.

Marvel had their plan set in place for the MCU a couple of years before they even released Iron Man in 2008.

DC on the other hand has been rushing and tripping over their own damn feet in a vain attempt to even compete.

And it sure as hell isn't working

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But Marvel was putting all their eggs into Ironman and if that tanked they would of scrapped everything and reboot it just like Hulk. DC should of some the same thing when MoS tanked. Should of recast and just start with JL and combine all the stories within the movie.

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You are correct sir.

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Your response resonates with me the most so far.

Can they really be so short sighted as to just go for a shameless cash grab?

I still don't get it.. if they released a Batman film, a Flash film, etc, built their world up the way Marvel did.. these films still would have made money the entire way along!!

They saw that Avengers money and were like, "We need that - right now! This instant!"

I get it, Avengers was very profitable... but it was built without feeling rushed. It needed that time to introduce the characters.

DC just didn't have the patience to properly introduce their characters and take the necessary time to build this world?

It appears so.. kinda shocking when you think about it though. They wanted that Avengers money so bad, they just went straight for it, instead of re-producing the process that led to that money in the first place.

Dumb-da-dumb-dumb-dumb, right?

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People act like Warner Brothers doesn't know how to make good movies. Avengers money? C'mon! How much money WB did with Harry Potter? The first movie made almost one billion. They made 8 movies based on that.

Also... Mad Max Fury Road won 6 oscars and is one of the best acclaimed movies from all time.

While the MCU keeps some checkpoints from movie to movie, there isn't this "organic feel" to it. MCU is clearly based in some guidelines like: Iron man will appear in this movie and then we will have his solo movie. But they don't feel like this organic and continuous structure. Maybe that is the mistake that WB is making. MOS and BVS are clearly superman 1 and 2 cause the events of the first movie are the focus of the second in a big way. On the other hand, the mcu link their movies through simple facts and actions and most of them don't drag very long like IM3 and AOU. If you think about it, Civil War would make more sense after the first avengers than the second. It's not a bad thing cause makes every movie somewhat independent from the others while keeping some ties.

Mos was divise, that's ok. BvS was overly ambicious... and suicide squad... well... to be honest, is a shame the movie failed with critics. The best thing to do would be to reboot everything and make wonder woman solo movie the foundation of the new dceu. At least gadot seems to be the lucky one on this.

There is a reason for the fall of the dceu, sure, but I doubt it is the studio problem since they made so many well received movies and made lots of money from them. It may be bad luck, simple as that. Oh and the editing should be fired. AoU editing was bad, but BvS was worse than that. The extended cut feels like a movie, thank god



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Gee, Zack Snyder is such a visionary. Lol.

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It's easy to make money with the HP movies because HP was already a successful franchise with the books and had a solid fanbase.

There was also no need to build a story from the ground up because they basically followed the story of the books and tweaked it a little.

Whereas with comicbook characters, sure they have the comics as reference, but the storylines don't directly copy off from a book.

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Just because a book is successful doesn't mean the movie will.

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No, but it does make sure that you already have a huge advantage in your favor. Because let's face it, the first Harry Potter movie and the first Hunger Games movie weren't exactly great movies. If it wasn't for their book popularity they would not have been as successful.

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It's simple we kill the MOUSE (Disney)

"I'm an agent of chaos"

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That doesn't remotely address the topic haha

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Marvel relishes the fact they come from comic books, but Warned Brothers is embarrassed their source material comes from comics. Bc of that they repeatedly get all of their characters wrong.

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That's a very interesting comment, fliboy486.. can you point out to me some instances of what has made you think that WB is embarrassed by their source material?

I've heard this from other folks too, but I'd like your take.

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Making Batman films over and over.

Dr. Fate?

Doom Patrol?

Deadman?

Brainiac?

The Justice Society ?


All great iconic characters languishing for eternity.

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They were clearly embarrassed of the Superman source material when they decided to make him all emo, mopey, and dry. Let alone turning Lois Lane into some mere plot device that had no real reason to be BvS other than that.

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Clearly they had too much confidence that they could copy the success Marvel has had but put the wrong people in charge of making it happen.

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Clearly they had too much confidence that they could copy the success Marvel has had but put the wrong people in charge of making it happen.

"Okay. We've skimmed through the MCU movies and we got the gist of it.

step 1: have a shared universe
step 2: give everyone their own movie
step 3: profit"


It's like they thought Marvel Studios' success came from mere gimmicks and not focusing on each individual movie's quality first.

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Because, without someone with actual storytelling talent to spearhead this franchise, it's essentially in the hands of a director/producer that rivals Michael Bay in terms of narrative and studio heads that wouldn't know how to put a story together if I held a gun to their heads.

Love him or hate him, Nolan had a vision that was universally well-received. Why? Because he understands his story, he understands his characters and he understands where to take it all.

Snyder is clueless. However, if you want someone who can put together mindless and admittedly beautiful slow motion sequences, he's your man. That's where his talent ends. He certainly isn't the person you hand over the keys to. Especially if those keys are to one of your more profitable franchises.

Studio heads had lightning in a bottle with Nolan's trilogy. The first thought is obviously to replicate that. Well, without a talented filmmaker at the helm, it's going to come off as a lifeless, cheap imitation. Scratching their heads at the first flop (BvS), they naturally go into panic mode. They commandeered what COULD have been a promising film by David Ayer and morphed it into something that's apparently so tonally dysfunctional, it feels like the Fantastic Four fiasco all over again.

That's the problem. Studios need to drop the interference and hire talented, dependable filmmakers. Will it cost more to hire a well-known/well-received and competent director? Absolutely. But what little bit more a greedy studio spends on the director they can make up for when their product doesn't circle the critical and financial drain due to poor reception.

Stop trying to recapture what Nolan did. Hire a filmmaker with a new and interesting vision, and leave them the hell alone. Why hire them if you can't trust them???

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The WB doesn't care about the source material or making quality films. All they care about is conning fans in to seats opening weekend. THAT is the problem and THAT is a shame because fanboys are falling for it yet again.

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It's easy ... Hire Roy Thomas. The gatekeeper and historian of DC. Warner Bros are run by execs who think they know how to write DC. They don't.

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