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Is Henry Cavill good enough to be SUPERMAN?

posted 12 years ago by wewatchedamovie1
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We talked about this in our review. He has the look down..... but I have never been impressed with anything he has done. I thought he was forgettable in Immortals and in The Cold Light of Day. I want to like him! I haven't seen the Tudors yet... maybe he's good in that? What do you think?

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[–] tagamasid 12 years ago

I watched immortals, and saw this movie. I'd say he does have the look, but somehow I'm still not convinced he's the right man for the job. Maybe it's just because of my poor opinion of said two movies. But I'm hoping I'm wrong and he pulls off a good performance as Superman. We'll see.

[–] wewatchedamovie1 12 years ago

Couldnt agree more!

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[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

"The Tudors" is his best role to date. He proves he has the acting chops to portray the Man of Steel in that.

Although I don't speak ill of him in "Immortals" and "The Cold Light of Day". In fact, in both movies, he's the only actor who actually looks like he cares about what he's doing. Which means that Cavill is a genuine "tryer". So I have no doubt he'll give his all for Superman.

His accent could use some work but apart from that, he's more than ready to portray Superman.

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[–] anonymous-V 12 years ago

Both roles are limiting are just movies he did to gain experience with the Hollywood crowd.

He had a long and significant role in Tudors transforming from a young adult to an old man.

[–] tomsoprano 12 years ago

if Reeve's Superman is the blue print for any actor to play the characters , i think Cavill would doing just fine. Superman as cinematic character is not require explorations that an actor must doing research for supporting his own interpretation , physical strength and certain looks (superheroes type) are more essentials. In this case Cavill's wooden acting and blank screen persona in his last two movies will not make him a BAD Superman. He would be just fine.

[–] movie_fan59 12 years ago

Any actor can play Superman.

Whether or not he has any talent, or is a good actor doesn't mean he can or can't play Superman.

Superman doesn't require a great deal of acting talent. It's much more about appearance than the ability to demonstrate a range of emotions and feelings.

Marlon Brando was a great actor. He brought Don Corleone to life. That doesn't mean he would have made a great Superman.

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[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

After seeing Cavill in both Immortals and Cold Light of Day, Superman fans should be concerned. It's like watching a guy starting out in acting class trying to emote. NOT anyone can play Superman. See Brandon Routh in that 2006 version. See how they had to reboot it yet again after just 6 years. Reeves didn't get enough credit for his portrayal of Superman. I'm starting to think that the Man of Steel might be a bomb. At least it has Zak Snyder and Amy Adams...

[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

Why should Superman fans be concerned? Cavill was decent enough in "Immortals" and that movie was a modest success. "The Cold Light of Day" is a movie that's very bland and will definitely flop, sure, but it's not like Cavill was godawful in it. As a Superman fan myself, I've already gotten my proof that Cavill can act - I've seen "The Tudors"; a four season show where Cavill's character was second only to Jonathan Rhys Meyers.

He can play Superman just fine.

Why would MAN OF STEEL bomb? People aren't going to see it for Henry Cavill, they're going to see it for Superman. Yes, Cavill is Superman but he's not a big star yet. Like Reeve, he's still pretty unknown. He'll be fine. He just needs a little help with his American accent.

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[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

Because the Brandon Routh version was terrible and they had to reboot it one more time. Cavill's acting in both the Immortals and Cold Light of Day was abysmal. I'm a fan of Zak Snyder's style and I think Amy Adams is a great choice...but Cavill better show more than he has in those two movies. Reeves did a very good job and that role is harder to pull off than people give him credit for. You have to be very likeable, yet come off like people trust you.

[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

Because the Brandon Routh version was terrible and they had to reboot it one more time.

So? SR was terrible because it was badly written and directed. That doesn't mean the same fate will befall MOS. Think "Batman Begins" after "Batman and Robin" (and Superman Returns is not nearly that bad anyway).

Cavill's acting in both the Immortals and Cold Light of Day was abysmal.

Reeve never quite showed he was a fantastic actor before "Superman The Movie", either. Doesn't mean he sucked, though.

I'm a fan of Zak Snyder's style and I think Amy Adams is a great choice...

Agreed.

but Cavill better show more than he has in those two movies.

He already has. See "The Tudors" for details.

Reeves did a very good job and that role is harder to pull off than people give him credit for. You have to be very likeable, yet come off like people trust you.

And Cavill can't do that, why? Just because his last two movie roles have been generic? One, he's your standard "Action Hero", the other not so much. One was a modest success, the other was a flop. Not that Christopher REEVE (not Reeves - there was a Reeves in GEORGE REEVES) had that great of a career prior to "Superman: The Movie" either. Or even after for that matter.

Yes, the role is hard to pull off. But Cavill can do it. No reason he's unable. "The Tudors" is more than enough proof that he's capable.

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[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

Well, Cavill was pretty terrible in the Immortals and Cold Light of Day. It wasn't the script. His emoting skills were just off. Reeves was already a very good actor in the movies that I saw him in. Superman was what he was most famous for, but the guy could act. Superman is actually a hard role to nail. You have to be very likeable. Caring yet heroic. The two movies that I've seen Cavill in shows a cause for concern. The fact that Zak Snyder is helming the movie makes me think that it will at least be visually stunning and Amy Adams is a sure bet. I certainly hope Cavill can pull it off as fans of Superman all want to see a good Superman for once.

[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

Well, Cavill was pretty terrible in the Immortals and Cold Light of Day. It wasn't the script. His emoting skills were just off.

No, I'm pretty sure it was the script. He did what he was supposed to in both of them just fine. Both scripts were to very generic movies. One very bad and the other a standard greek mythology action flick. When given something good to work with, Cavill can act. I don't know why you're blatantly ignoring his other roles just so you can bring him down based on his latest work.

Stop it.

Reeves was already a very good actor in the movies that I saw him in. Superman was what he was most famous for, but the guy could act.

Exactly what did you see "REEVE" (not Reeves) in before Superman? Seriously, I'm not kidding. What did you see him in? Anything he played in Post-Superman doesn't count.

He only had four roles prior to "Superman: The Movie" and none of them were leading roles. They were a few bit parts that I'm sure nobody remembers. He was a total unknown when cast in "Superman: The Movie". And that was the point.

All Superman actors post-Christopher Reeve have been unknowns. Cain, Welling, Routh, and now Cavill. In fact, Cavill has had more under his belt prior to getting Superman than most of the actors who have played Superman. So he's had more time and experience to hone his craft. So yeah.

Superman is actually a hard role to nail. You have to be very likeable. Caring yet heroic.

Which Cavill can do.

The two movies that I've seen Cavill in shows a cause for concern.

Because they were both technically "bad" movies. Weaver or Willis didn't exactly turn in "oscar" performances either. So what's the deal? Do you think George Clooney is a godawful actor just because he played in "Batman & Robin"?

The fact that Zak Snyder is helming the movie makes me think that it will at least be visually stunning and Amy Adams is a sure bet.

Indeed.

I certainly hope Cavill can pull it off as fans of Superman all want to see a good Superman for once.

I do, too. But I think you're overreacting. At least see something that is of quality before you judge Cavill.

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

Seriously, are you a plant? It doesn't matter if Cavill's had plenty of experience to hone his craft. In his last two movies, his acting was terrible. It wasn't just the script. It was him. You say "which Cavill will do" as if by saying it, it will be so. Well, according to the movies I've seen, I don't think so. He's terrible. It's like looking at a guy that has the physique to be superman, without the actual acting skills. In fact, he might be even worse than Routh. Contrary to what you say, his performance in the two movies that he's been in is a cause for concern. That's evidence of what he can do in a film and so far he doesn't seem to have it.

[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

Seriously, are you a plant?

Yep. I'm a plant. I get paid a fortune to promote MAN OF STEEL on IMDB message boards. It's a good life, I tell ya. You ought to try it.

It doesn't matter if Cavill's had plenty of experience to hone his craft. In his last two movies, his acting was terrible. It wasn't just the script. It was him.

In your opinion, right?

You say "which Cavill will do" as if by saying it, it will be so. Well, according to the movies I've seen, I don't think so. He's terrible.

You say "it's cause for concern" and "he's terrible" as if by saying it, MAN OF STEEL will be terrible by default. See, that works both ways, pal.

It's like looking at a guy that has the physique to be superman, without the actual acting skills. In fact, he might be even worse than Routh.

I see. And again, this is from two movies that doesn't require much acting skills to begin with.

Contrary to what you say, his performance in the two movies that he's been in is a cause for concern. That's evidence of what he can do in a film and so far he doesn't seem to have it.

As much evidence as I have when I say "Cavill will be great", right? It's cool to see how double standards work in the modern age, isn't it? Alas, you can keep your "cause for concern" by continuing to wallow in ignorance while I can keep my optimistic attitude due to seeing other works of this particular actor.

That's how it works, right?

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

You're such a shill. Your replies sound like nonsense. Cavill has two recent major movies and he was beyond terrible in both. Thus, I feel like it might be a cause for concern for the Man of Steel. How hard is that to understand? Your refusal to blame Cavill at all or say anything negative about Man of Steel makes you sound like a shill.

[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

You're such a shill.

Haters gonna hate, right? And normal people are going to like what they want.

Your replies sound like nonsense.

Likewise, friend.

Cavill has two recent major movies and he was beyond terrible in both.

Again, in your opinion.

Thus, I feel like it might be a cause for concern for the Man of Steel. How hard is that to understand?

It's not. What's hard to understand is that you think everyone should think like you or else they're a studio plant or a "shill". I asked some pretty logical polite questions and you went nuts.

Your refusal to blame Cavill at all or say anything negative about Man of Steel makes you sound like a shill.

See what I mean? You're getting all mad that I'm not cloned from your DNA in thinking MOS will suck because you think Cavill's acting sucks. I simply pointed out OTHER stuff he's been decent in which you repeatedly ignored because you're too caught up in saying Cavill sucks and don't want to have any different viewpoints disputing that.

It's quite hypocritical. And since you can't read, I already said that Cavill needs help honing his American Accent. So no, I'm not a total "shill"... Even though technically, you WANT me to be a "shill" to you because you want people to agree with only your viewpoint.

Lie down before you hurt yourself.

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

You're a shill. And, I hardly think your replies were polite as you inanely assert. Cavill was absolutely terrible in those two movies and it's hardly a stretch to feel concern for Man of Steel. He plays the lead. It's pretty silly that you accuse someone of reacting to someone not agreeing with a viewpoint. Um, look back at the posts, you started getting pissy when people dared to say Cavill sucks and expressed concerned for the Man of Steel franchise.

[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

You're a shill.

And you're a moron so I guess that makes us even.

And, I hardly think your replies were polite as you inanely assert.

Of course not. You're not the type who would know the meaning of such a word.

Cavill was absolutely terrible in those two movies

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

and it's hardly a stretch to feel concern for Man of Steel. He plays the lead.

Ignorance is bliss for people like you. Still you ignore what I said prior. Heh...

It's pretty silly that you accuse someone of reacting to someone not agreeing with a viewpoint.

Why's that? You're the one who started getting your panties in a bunch because you didn't like what I had to say. Hence why you keep calling me a "Shill". Hypocritical much?

Um, look back at the posts, you started getting pissy when people dared to say Cavill sucks and expressed concerned for the Man of Steel franchise.

So now you're referring to yourself in the third person now? Because as far as I can tell, you're the only one I was talking to in this thread aside from the OP. And you're the one who started throwing the insults out first.

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

You sound insane. I gave my opinion that Cavill was terrible in his two recent films and that was a cause for concern for the Man of Steel, which the OP originally felt as well. Then, you proceeded to freak out and say I was wrong, yet present no real logical explanation as to why. And, in your rambling replies to me you then hide behind the excuse that it's your opinion. You can stop playing the victim role. Your initial replies are very rude, so expect a reply. And, yeah I think you're a shill...I think you're freaking out that anyone would dare say anything negative about Cavill or the Man of Steel.

[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

You sound insane.

You are insane.

I gave my opinion that Cavill was terrible in his two recent films and that was a cause for concern for the Man of Steel, which the OP originally felt as well.

Wrong. You bitched and moaned like a little girl and then went nuts when presented with an alternate opinion feigning ignorance.

Then, you proceeded to freak out and say I was wrong, yet present no real logical explanation as to why.

Only the mental patient would think I "freaked out" when you're the one who started the hostility.

And, in your rambling replies to me you then hide behind the excuse that it's your opinion.

Like how you claim to do? Interesting how hypocrisy works.

You can stop playing the victim role.

Indeed, you should.

Your initial replies are very rude,

Rudeness meets rudeness. Can you imagine?

so expect a reply.

Okay.. I got one. And it sucks.

And, yeah I think you're a shill...

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I think you're freaking out that anyone would dare say anything negative about Cavill or the Man of Steel.

If that were the case, I wouldn't say anything negative either. But since ignorance is a trait you master, only you would believe that.

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

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[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

And just what do you do with your free time? Talk about Bachelor Pad? A bunch of crappy TV shows and movies? That's an... Improvement, isn't it? The only thing of quality that you actually talk about frequently is the Indiana Jones trilogy. Heh...

Anyways, case in point; if someone has an opinion, I'd hope they're intelligent enough to back it up. Something which you are an utter failure at doing.

You're also an utter failure at "comprehension" and "reading". How is your opinion "wrong"? Point me out where I said that. Point me out ALSO where you actually backed up your own opinion. As opposed to, you know, just saying "He sucks, he sucks, he suck!" You can't because you didn't. Instead, you just whine and complain because someone dared to ask you to back yourself up.

"Wah! Wah! This person asked me to back up my opinions! He is rude, mommy! He is a shill! So I'm just going to ignore all his posts and pretend I can read because he upsets me! WAAAAAAAAAH!!"

Even if you dislike the way I post replies to you, at least I actually read what you write. No matter how crappy it is. But reasoning with you is pointless. I mean, you actually used the word "parrot" as a way of describing what I write. As opposed to you "parroting" yourself whining like a little girl. lol How sad.

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

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[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

So true. A while back, I thought he was a calm individual who wasn't so shrill, but lately, he is on a rampage.

How?

At first, this thought didn't cross my mind, but Doctormodernman, you are a cyber stalker. You know all of the sites people visit, what is with you? Why do you bother? What purpose does it serve you?

How am I a cyber stalker? Seriously... I visit the MOS boards - you just happened to be there and I recognized you from the HC boards. I visit the CLOD boards and I saw you here, too. And didn't inlovewithmovies just tell me that I frequent all boards related to Superman? How would he know that unless he took a look at my posting history?

Does that make him a cyber stalker too? Why does he get a free pass? I didn't think that looking at a PUBLIC message board profile = cyber stalking. If I started looking for your email address or something, then yes, that's cyber stalking. If not, then a public message board profile is there for all to see.

Just because you're still mad that I thought you were a dude doesn't mean you should go on a "rampage". Which is what you're doing. You say I'm doing it but that's certainly not true.

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

[–] Poetist 12 years ago

I'm not mad that you thought I was a dude; this is the internet. My pretty picture isn't posted.

What I don't get is why do you need to check EVERYONE'S profile? Then, in the case of inlovemovies, you use it against them, as if there is something wrong with their choices for visiting certain boards.

In addition, what I don't understand is your in tolerance of anything against your point-of-view. We aren't all going to agree. It's okay to have a healthy discussion, but you are all guns-a-blazen.

[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

I'm not mad that you thought I was a dude; this is the internet. My pretty picture isn't posted.

Then I don't get why you're suddenly coming at me with all "guns-a-blazen" as you accuse me of doing.

What I don't get is why do you need to check EVERYONE'S profile? Then, in the case of inlovemovies, you use it against them, as if there is something wrong with their choices for visiting certain boards.

What do you mean "everyone"? Exactly who have I done this to that you have seen besides inlovewithmovies who did it to me first? I already told you that I never checked your user profile, it just so happens that you visited three boards I frequent. All related to Superman. And how would you even know if I do use people's user profile histories against them unless you checked my own profile? Lastly, how come inlovewithmovies gets a free pass for checking my profile and using my appreciation for all things Superman against me but I need to be chastised for retaliating? Quit it with the double standards. If you have a problem with me, at least be fair. If I am bad for doing it to him, then he is equally as bad for doing it to me.

In addition, what I don't understand is your in tolerance of anything against your point-of-view. We aren't all going to agree. It's okay to have a healthy discussion, but you are all guns-a-blazen.

There you go again accusing me of something without actually telling me how and why you think this way. I have had plenty of conversations with people who don't agree with me and still remain civil. Unless you read every one of my posts when checking my profile, you wouldn't know this and therefore are once again making false assumptions because you are still angry.

I have a lot of tolerance for people who don't agree with me. Once again, you'll notice that my discussion with inlovewithmovies didn't become hostile until he started calling me a studio plant just because I don't have worries about Cavill and he does.

Stop letting your bias against me cloud your judgement. Just admit you're mad for some reason and let that be that. Stop flat out lying about me. When I am wrong, I always ADMIT to it, like I did to you. But this is something you seem incapable of doing.

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

[–] Poetist 12 years ago

Once again, you'll notice that my discussion with inlovewithmovies didn't become hostile until he started calling me a studio plant just because I don't have worries about Cavill and he does.

See that's what I don't get. You got mad over that.

[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

See that's what I don't get. You got mad over that.

Annoyed, not mad. And not even because I was called a shill, stooge and studio plant. Those are common names for anyone who defend what they like. It was mostly because my points as to why "I" wasn't worried were being ignored.

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

Yes, Doctormodernman, you are a bit of a cyber stalker. What are you up to like 3,000 plus Henry Cavill/Man of Steel posts? That's pretty darn obssessive. The movie isn't out for another year or so, yet you practically haunt it every day all day. The other poster was right, you freak out whenever anyone dares to disagree with your viewpoint. How do we know? Just go over to any of the Henry Cavill/Man of Steel boards. Practically every thread has a ton of replies from you and god forbid anyone should say anything critical about either Cavill or Man of Steel, you're quick to try to correct them. Anyone that steps foot in the Man of Steel related boards immediately notice you lurking around. And, you must be deluded if you think you replied with any logic or were polite. The way you lurk the Cavill/MOS boards is just downright creepy.

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[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

I guess you're right. I thought I was having an intelligent discussion but ultimately, it's just another person throwing a childish tantrum.

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

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[–] DoctorModernMan 12 years ago

Yes, Doctormodernman, you are a bit of a cyber stalker. What are you up to like 3,000 plus Henry Cavill/Man of Steel posts? That's pretty darn obssessive. The movie isn't out for another year or so, yet you practically haunt it every day all day. The other poster was right, you freak out whenever anyone dares to disagree with your viewpoint. How do we know? Just go over to any of the Henry Cavill/Man of Steel boards. Practically every thread has a ton of replies from you and god forbid anyone should say anything critical about either Cavill or Man of Steel, you're quick to try to correct them. Anyone that steps foot in the Man of Steel related boards immediately notice you lurking around. And, you must be deluded if you think you replied with any logic or were polite. The way you lurk the Cavill/MOS boards is just downright creepy.

So basically, long story short, you admitted that you are a "cyber-stalker". Heh.. Your whole argument just imploded on itself. It's just downright creepy.

How does it feel to be deconstructed?

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[–] movie_fan59 12 years ago

I saw Brandon Routh in the 2006 version. He wasn't the problem. Bad writing, bad story and a generally bad movie sank that reboot.

Henry Cavill will be fine. The questions are, will the script and the rest of the cast.

Jules Winnfield: "I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?"

[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

I just remember being stunned at how bland the movie was. Here, you have one of the most exciting characters in cinema history and the audience was just bored. I felt Routh was pretty wooden. The script might not have helped him, but Christopher Reeves was just excellent.

[–] movie_fan59 12 years ago

Reeves did four Superman movies. One was great. One was pretty good. One was lousy. One sucked out loud.

All four were as good or as bad as they were because of the quality of the writing of the script.

Give Routh the script from the first Reeves "Superman" film, with a supporting cast of the same quality and his performance would get much more favorable reviews. It might not do as well in comparison with that of Reeves, but it wouldn't be universally panned as it is. Bosworth is a great actress, but her Lois Lane isn't anywhere near as interesting or compelling as Margot Kidder's was, because of how it was written. Kevin Spacey is a terrific actor, but I'd much rather watch Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor than what Spacey did. Again, all about the story and the writing.

Script and story make movies great, awful, exciting and bland. Much more so than performers and performances. A great actor may be able to overcome a really bad script, but that's much less likely than a mediocre actor looking great because a script is really well written and the story enables the performer to look better than they are.

Jules Winnfield: "I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?"

[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

I just don't think Routh would have been that good, regardless of the script. Every person in that movie seemed miscast. Just because they might have been good actors in other movies doesn't mean they were right for the roles. Bosworth is actually a terrific actress, but I don't see her as Lois Lane. They just lucked out that those first two Superman movies really came together. We all know how important scripts are, but I wasn't even talking about that.... I felt even if you put an excellent script that cast just doesn't work.

[–] movie_fan59 12 years ago

Rarely will great actors overcome lousy scripts.

Frequently great scripts overcome lousy acting.

Jules Winnfield: "I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?"

[–] Poetist 12 years ago

It wasn't the script. His emoting skills were just off.

I will have to agree with inlovewiththemovies. Take for instance what Henry's character told his mother on the bus and his total lack of expression and delivery.

There are other scenes to list that he just looks bad in CLOD.

[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

Exactly. That scene stood out to me as well. Also, his reaction in the police station. The guy has zero range at all.

[–] Kal-El_LastSonOfKrypton 12 years ago

The inferior quality of the last couple of Reeve "Superman" movies notwithstanding, Christopher Reeve's performances remained consistently superlative throughout all four "Superman" movies.

[–] inlovewithmovies 12 years ago

Agreed. Christopher Reeve was consistently good in all the Superman movies.

[–] readyforbed 12 years ago

Henry does a good job in The Tudors. He also did a good job in I Capture the Castle and Tristan and Isolde. In fact I think he was the best thing about Tristan and Isolde.

I thought he was fine in Blood Creek, but the movie was awful. Even the amazing Michael Fassbender couldn't save that one.

I didn't see Immortals, but in general, HC got decent reviews, the movie was mixed. He wasn't good in CLoD, but the movie was terrible. The direction was off in its pacing and editing. No one was good in that.

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