Has Tom Hardy apologised to the public for making this?He REALLY should!!!
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I liked it, consider my withdrawal from the public please, fellow person.
"I did it for me. I liked it!"
Apologised for what?
shareUh...for making this.I don't understand why he would want to subject his fans to such anguish.
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Duhhh... let's ask all the actors and directors to apoligise for making movies ))))))) god... whe you come from? I have seen worse situations in life, and the movie shows some of them. Why does an actor must play only a hero guy because some children want to see him in tha role? Get a life.
Powerfull movie, shows real life and the danger that comes from the other side of the life when your'e not a vegatebale like 80% of people in this world.
Look,all I'm saying is that this wasn't a very enjoyable show.And Tom Hardy should be ashamed of the bad performance he put on in this show.
It was very unrealistic in terms of the criminal underworld.There IS a lot of danger in that side of life,which they never portrayed unrealistically.
The drug deal is a perfect example.There weren't even REMOTELY enough people there and we saw no negotiations happening.
And why would Turkish drug dealers even WANT to do business with these lowlifes?
Also,pulling a gun out at a drug deal is a great way to get killed.Wouldn't they have searched Freddie and Jimmy and taken away their guns?
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If I understood you corectly, you mean that Tom Hardy played his role bad, and many of what was shown in the movie was unrealistic?
I liked Tom Hardys performance, truly played a crazy bastard. If you wanted to see a lot of danger which is conected with the criminal world then the movie would never and because of the too many scenes and life situatuions which they would have to show.
About the drug dealing, they showed us only the main people. Why do you want to see some unknow person which sells the drugs on the street after Jimmy buys or makes a deal with xtz? There are many such small figures which would just add few nosens hours to the movie. The movie is not about a drug dealing gang and their inside job in that business.
Turkish wanted to do contact in business with Jimmy and Freddie because they were the main people in the city, and the xtz drugs have just came out as a new drug.
The main boos sits in jail and Freddie and Jimmy are his right and left hands. That's why Freddie got out the gun on the meeting with drug dealer, because drugdealer worked on Freddies (his Bosses) territory. In criminal world nobody does such things, there is always zones of who controls what city, street, business (stealing, gabling, dreugs, weapons, etc.). Well it's stil that way in my country Russia, Ukraine, Chechnya.
No searches on the meeting because first of all the meeting was allowed by the boss, the meeting had to be the pus for a new drug business and opening for drug dealers Boss a new territory to sell the drug. It wasn't a meeting like in some movies where two gangs meet and they even don't know each other. In this movei is showed a real inside life which is build up in earhci (like Italian mafia - clans).
The movie is not about how drug dealing works, it's about relationships between many people, family, about how character is changed because of the way you have to work and the situatuions in which you get. Jimmy was a silent boy in the start and became ruthless in the end. But still, Freddie was higher moraly then Jimmy. Jimmy was still scared of Freddie. Jimmy sold out, what Freddie would never do. Many of the things you wound understand if you don't know the criminal world.
And HOW was Freddie higher morally than Jimmy?I mean he RAPED Jimmy's wife,I don't consider that to be very moral!!!
Everything else you've told me makes sense.I guess I never though of it that way.
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You're right at that point, but only in that on about raping... is that was a very last bastard thing to do, but you can't judge person by only one action.
Freddie would give life for Jimmy, that was his position at the begining of the movie, he would do everything to save Jimmy, but Jimmy was a little scared crapy boy wich by the time sold himself. Why Jimmy didn't tell Fredie that the Boss gave the dreg business to him alone and asked Freddie not to join and tell him about that? That was such a betray...
Freddie somehow loved Jimmys wife and very much loved the kid. Maybe if they would come together everything would change... but that's a movie and the story was writen as it was shown in the film. At the end of the film Freddie knew where he was going (when he had to meet with Jimmy), he knew that Jimmy want's to kill him and he was ready for that, that's why he send his son away and wanted too see Jimmys wife for the last time, apoligize and so on, before the end of his life, he knew that Jimmy wan't to kill him because of what Freddies son made with Jimmys son and he already accepted the death from Jimmy, he knew it was right, it was something that had to happen. Freddie was a bastard but he didn't jeered on those who were on his way or betrayed him, and Jimmie did, hi hited to deat the turkish guy. Friddie just shoots, kills and that it, it's like something to stand for, something yours, nothnig personal just guarding yours. That's the life thing, if you don't guard yours that thepeople will come and take it, if they do it and see that you do nothing, that they will take everything yours.
Dude you SERIOUSLY need to check your spelling!!!
You need to go and edit all the replies you sent me and fix all the errors because a lot of words are mispelt and you used a lot of the wrong words in some of the sentences.
And that makes it VERY hard to understand what you're saying.I did manage to get the gist of what you're telling me,but still.
FIX IT!!!
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It's good if you got my main point. Sorry for many errors, I'm from Ukraine, My language is Russian, my second language is Ukranian, and third - English and fourth German, so it's a bit hard to remember the words, the last time I had talking practice in english was about 10 years ago in vacation. It's good that I showed you some other ways of piont of view, so now you can analyze and make some more thoughts about that thing and even in real life about some things. Good bye and good luck!
shareIf you really think about it the rape was unnecessary.Freddie should have gone after the drug shipment.He could have hijacked the ecstacy and made a profit off of selling it.
Or he could have made a deal with the Turkish drug dealers.
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Maybe, but there are many different ways of view on this situation, and some situation have their on story which is only connected to each other by "in the wrong place, at wrong time..."
First of all, the situation with rape is a long story which started from the begginig of the movie, Freddie always wanted to have sex with Maggie but it never turned out because of different surcomestances, and one time when Jimmy had to go to other country, Freddie knew that know one will mess up his plan to get in touch with Maggie.
Second reason is that Freddie was not allowed to have business that is somehow conected with drugs/extz because Jimmy was the one who was chosen and allowed to deal with that business. If Freddie would hijack the drug deal, than after sometime everyone would know who did that, because eventualy someone would tell who was selling drugs or where to buy them. If Freddie would sell it though drugdealer than everybody would search for a rat and eventualy find Freddie again. It's not how things are done in that business because everything is controled one or the other way, it's imposible to make anonymus. And even if Freddie would hijack the drugs, he would make some money once, that's it. What would he do afterwards? That was not such a big cahs deal to risk and if lucky live the whole live with money.
Third reason is that the plot of the movie was also build on that rape, it's like a primary reason of many small things which would look no as good and emotional if there would be no rape of Maggie by Freddie. Maggie wouldn't give birth to a child, even if she would get pregnent from Jimmy and give birth, the situation of killing the little boy by Freddies son wouldn't be some emotional, because after the rape, Freddies son killed his own little brother and Freddies son (two boys were still from one father but two differnet mothers, but they were brothers by blood). And many other situations like that would touch the viewer who watched the movie. Jackie wouldn't think so much about love between Maggie and Freddie. Maggie maybe wouldn't kill Frieddie in the end, etc...
It's much real life story and emotional, if there were changes in the script, than the movie would be very different. There is many things to think about.
There are many good movies which must be watched more than once to see some hidden minds of the director of film. Maybe this is one of them, but I got it all because many situations from that movie I had in my life.
If I had some money, I would create a movie like that but in Russian style, with our traditions whith thiefs in law and our life... but that's some kind of a dream )
Yeah I think it would be awesome if we used Russian drug dealers instead of Turkish ones.I can imagine Freddie puling out a gun and then three or four guys point automatics rifles at him.If he proceeded to attempt to shoot someone they would gun him down.
But if THAT happened Freddie would only be in one episode.I really don't have a problem with that to be honest,but for the sake of continuing the story let's imagine they take the gun away from him.
And since the rules would be different....
Killing Freddie later wouldn't be a problem for them.
So let's imagine that Freddie's die BEFORE he could rape Maggie.OR,Freddie gets attacked and goes on the run.He knocks on Maggie's door and begs her to hide him.
Eventually she agrees.And being lonely and IN LOVE with Freddie,they turn to each other for comfort.
And THAT'S how lil' Jimmy was conceived.
Of course Freddie WOULD eventually be killed,there's no way Maggie can protect him from THAT.
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That would be a different story and a different movie )
Maggies didn't like him at all, I don't think that then they would evetualy get in love, that would be some kind of a love story.
btw. as I sayd, the rape was a little part of other storys to wich it was connected. There wouldn't be emotions between Freddie and little Jimmy on birthday party and such scenes in many other views in the movie. The movie was very well build part by part where many things conected to each other and with out one or another, there wouldn\t be a half of the movie and the other half would be very different.
shareWell who said there has to be emotions in this story?This is SUPPOSED to be a gangster story.All this family drama is quite useless to the storyline.There should be more action and shooting in this show.Maybe Maggie gets caught in the crossfire and dies,and then Jimmy and Freddie team up to get revenge.Freddie being reckless and all coked up,gets himself killed.
The Turkish drug dealers put a hit on Ozzie and he gets murdered in prison.So now Jimmy has to take over the business and take care of the Turkish drug dealers.
At the end Jimmy and Jackie are left to pick up the pieces of their lives and try to move on together.
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Director of the movie say that )) thats why the movie is what it is and not what you just write up in the message. What yu talking about is a straight gangster movie with only action and nothing else. This movie is about relationships btween many people, about their way of living. The movie showed different aspects of living by different people which are conected to each other. Emotions must be in that story because the story is about that. There many things to think about, just watch the movie again. Think what would you do in different situations.
shareFirst of all,it's NOT a movie,so stop calling it that.Second of all,I didn't finish watching it because it was so horrible.Why would I want to watch it AGAIN?
This show was slow and boring and didn't have any good acting in it.I didn't really see ANY interaction between the people in relationships in this show.So obviously that is NOT what it's about.
The Director is WRONG.This show portrays what happens to poor families when they turn to crime in order to survive.It portrays the horrors of drug use and crime and how it DESTROYS relationships and families.
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You're talking like a 10 year old. It's a movie and what you're saying - SHOW, that is what records in the studios of TV chanels and etc stuff, not like movies with actors, different scenes in different locations.
Tom Hardy gained Best Actor nomination at the 2009 Crime Thriller Awards for that role. Acting was very good.
If you haven't done wathcing the film how can you argue with me? I watched the whole movie at one breath, in a few hours with out pause.
If you haven't seen all that, too bad. try to read what other 90% of people wich watched the movie have writen about it.
If you say the Director is wrong )) ahahaha then go and make your own movie! Maybe you're super profesional and all the movies such as Termonator, Fight Club, Inception, Scarface, Gladiator, Game, Troy, Devils Advocate etc much more bad movies and wrong, and you could make them much better and right ))))
First of all - read what is about the movie «The Take» if you don't find a word drama in description, then youre talking about another movie.
If you want to see what happens too poor families which dive into crime and drugs then watch - «Requem for a dream». If you want to watch about drug dealing watch «Scarface». I have a feeling that all you have wathced in your life was Tom & Jerry cartoons. You have no idea about acting, you have no idea about movie structure and making of it.
If YOU want to talk about a movie, FIRST WATCH the movie then talk.
A 10 year old?
Seriously?
I HAVE read some of the book online.It seems to be a lot better than the show,especially the part where Jimmy kills Freddie.
But then again the book is ALWAYS better,Revenge of the Sith is proof of that.
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Don't jump from topic to topic. Yes books are alsways better then the movies. But we talked about the movie, not book. The movie is a view of a dirctor, and how he wants it, he makes it. Nobody can say that the movie was wrong or right, the movie was how the director saw the script and wanted the people wich will watch it, see it the same way as him.
Maybe some historical documetary films could be wrong, because of the facts. But not a made up story which has no facts about details.
What you say about movies is 100% true.BUT,we're talking about a four part miniseries here.Movies have a MUCH bigger budget than this show.
The story should have gone like this:
Freddie Jackson is a used car salesman.He's cheating on his wife with another woman.His likes expensive things,but Freddie isn't making enough to satisy her.He goes to his cousin Jimmy for help and Jimmy tells him about a job he's pulling off.
Freddie is a little uneasy with commiting a crime but Jimmy convinces him.Soon afterwards Freddie is a big part of Jimmy's world but Freddie is still unhappy that he isn't getting a big enough cut and enough respect.
He branches out on his own and form a group called "The Shadow Society" whose members consist of influential people,crime bosses and people of power.Jimmy finds out about this and Freddie is forced to kill him.His body is found in a dumpster the next day.
Freddie starts training his son to be a part of his organization.Many years later Lil' Freddie is a part of his father's group.But he is getting frustrated and annoyed with his father's treatment of him.He talks to other members of the group and realizes that he's not the ONLY one who has a problem with Freddie.
In a power play Lil' Freddie kills his father and takes over the Shadow Society.Unfortuantely he's not careful enough and Jackie sees him.Being the only witness,Lil' Freddie has no choice but to kill his mother.
Maggie is devastated at losing the man she loves AND her sister.Lil' Freddie comforts her and they fall in love.She eventually finds out what he does but loves him enough to accept it.
THE END.
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Hahahahaha )))
Why don't you get a job of a writer? You will write books for children ))))
Everytime you begin to change the movie. You have some problems with understanding things. We are talking about a movie which is already there, not about a story for a movie which someone wants to make. The film is done, you say that you even dind't watch it to finish, lol. Why do you jump to another story if we're talking about a movie which is already there? That's another bad thing with you wich shows that you have not even understood what the movie is about. It doesnt matter is it a movie or a 4 series movie. I watched it all at once, and there was a one file in wich all 4 series were joined to each other, so there were no pauses or stops.
Why do you read books and watch movies if you think that they shoukd be different?
fireks,I get all the points you're making about this story.I guess I never saw things from that point of view.In a way Jimmy DID betray Freddie by not including him in the promotion.
As for the rape,I guess it's part of the story so I'm going to let that go.Most of it was off screen any way,you don't really see anything until it's over.
But what happened to that woman Freddie was cheating on his wife with?Wasn't SHE the one who told Freddie about Jimmy getting the drug deal?
I read this article online titled "Diagnosing Freddie Jackson.".You should find it and read it as it's very interesting!!!
The main points made in the article were:
1.Freddie is a product of his environment.He's been exposed to violence his entire life.
2.Freddie is delusional.He thinks he has what it takes to be the top man when in fact he hasn't done anything to deserve it.
3.Freddie has delusions of grandeur.He thinks he is more important than what he really is.
There are a couple of other points made in the article but I can't remember them.
I think they should have shown us how Freddie would have handled being the top man.Now THAT would be funny!!!
This wasn't funny enough.They should have made this show funnier!!!
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