It didn't matter where Leia went, whether it was Yavin or somewhere else. The rebel leaders needed to meet up once the plans were acquired in order to plan a counter-attack, and it worked. And no, it doesn't make sense to blame Leia for the "dark times" or the bothan deaths, because she had nothing to do with that.
Sabine is directly responsible for Thrawn's return, which will obviously lead to the Empire being a major threat again, and whose remnants will inevitably lead to the formation of the First Order, which will destroy the New Republic and trillions of lives thanks to having built and even stronger super weapon. Just connect the dots, dude. It all started with her. Before her, the Imperial Remnant was a dying faction that would've withered away due to a lack of unity. Neither Palpatine nor Snoke would've had anything to work with if Sabine hadn't helped Thrawn come back to pick up the pieces, and they would've been powerless against Luke in his prime with his new Jedi Order.
While the bad writing of the sequel trilogy and the invalidation of the first six movies falls on JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson, and Kathleen Kennedy; in-universe, the events that unfolded in the sequel trilogy are Sabine's fault. The writers tried really hard to make her look cool, but they instead turned her into one of the worst Star Wars characters ever.
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Martoto (5024)
a year ago
Leia didn't have to lead the Empire directly to the hidden rebel base though. But she did. She gambled on the plans revealing a flaw.
But the new Republic still doesn't see the FO as a threat 25 years later. Clearly Thrawn returning makes now makes very little difference to things between now and then. Your claims that Sabine is responsible for what the FO does (none of which involves thrawn) is reaching at best.
The crawl to Empire Strikes Back explicitly states that due to them being driven from their secret base, it is dark time for the rebellion. There's a more immediate and direct line between leia choosing to go straight to Yavin and its consequences.
If you're going to blame Sabine for everything bad that happens due to thrawn returning then you can blame leia for everything that happens after she knowingly gives up the location of the hidden rebel base. Directly or indirectly.
Save your pearl clutching.
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LanceDance (1298)
a year ago
Like I said, it didn't matter where Leia went, the conflict reached a boiling point that came down to the destruction of the Death Star or the rebels. Vader gambled just like Leia did, and Leia won. And did you really think the Empire wouldn't retaliate after the Death Star blew up? The Yavin base was gonna get destroyed either way. Either you're being disingenuous or you're really that dense.
Everything bad that happens from Ahsoka on-wards is because Sabine let Thrawn return. The domino effect started with her selfishness.
Cope and seethe.
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Martoto (5024)
a year ago
If they had rendez voused with another Rebel ship that wasn't being tracked then they could have taken it to Yavin. Then when they were assaulting the death star the base would not be under threat and would still be a secret. The rebels wouldn't be driven from it and it wouldn't be a dark time for the rebellion immediately after.
You don't seem to understand what cope and seethe means. You're the one who is agitated with Sabine getting off the hook for things that haven't happened yet. You have no evidence that she's directly responsible for things that will happen 25 years later. I, on the other hand, am comfortable about t them and not as anxious as you to blame an individual for a war that takes place a generation later. And you refuse to acknowledge that ESB literally tells us that the rebellion is in a dark place due to it being driven from its hidden base.
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LanceDance (1298)
a year ago
My evidence is the sequel trilogy, and the fact that the Mando-verse is supposed to tie into it and justify it. All I’m doing is objectively criticizing bad storytelling and characterization.
You, however, are using mental gymnastics and applying tu quoque arguments where they don’t fit to deflect from bad writing.
Sabine is a terrible character, and Disney Star Wars sucks. I repeat: cope and seethe.
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Martoto (5024)
a year ago
You're not criticising storytelling. You're criticising a hypothetical story that explains that the sequel trilogy happens "because" Thrawn returned to the GFFA. Which is absurd.
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