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The skin disease

posted 10 years ago by holbrookp
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Boy, the season is just getting underway and I'm already seeing so many segments that are so obviously staged. Gosh, we're lucky all the right people overhear the bad stuff going on around them and choose to not only get involved but do so as smoothly as professional psychologists! These folks are right out of a 1950s social hygiene film and the dialogue is just as wholesome and phony. It all plays out like a carefully scripted example of the best way to handle strangers' matters.

Tonight's show featured the black woman with a skin disease who went in for a manicure, but her skin disease turned off the actress manicurist and the bystanders were appalled. The manicurist claimed she thought the disease was contagious. All the bystanders not only already knew all about the disease, they were offended that the manicurist was frightened by it. They even wanted her fired!

But if the manicurist was a real person and honestly feared how contact with the disease might effect her, why should she be fired and/or confronted that way? She was not a bad person, just unaware of what she was dealing with.

And I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be offended if any manicurist, barber, or whatever wanted to wear latex gloves when touching me. Even if they saw something that they identified as possibly a rash they didn't want to catch, I wouldn't mind. No big deal. Whatever they're comfortable with. I'm sure in real life the black lady would certainly by now be used to such reactions. I was disappointed in the black model watching from the back room for cheering the suggestion that the manicurist should be fired.

"All necessary truth is its own evidence." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

[–] zombienut 10 years ago

In every group there is a complete dumbass. If you look around and cant id that person then that person is you.

Your entire post just reflects your ignorance.

[–] holbrookp 10 years ago

Say that to my face. Try it.

"All necessary truth is its own evidence." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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[–] DocOfTheDead 10 years ago

I'll say it. In every room there is always a complete idiot. Look around, if you don't see him...it's you.

It is not a disease either, it is a skin condition brought on by loss of pigmentation in the skin.

I was not paying complete attention to the episode but I believe it was the model and the manicurist that were in on it, and the customer sitting next to her was not.

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[–] holbrookp 10 years ago

Thanks for the kind words. That's all I need after the day I've had.

My point is that the manicurist's position was that she didn't know what the skin condition was. She saw it as something she wasn't familiar with and was justifiably cautious. If she believed that, I can understand why she would be afraid to make contact with it.

She sure shouldn't lose her job over it! Maybe others recognized the skin condition as harmless, she didn't (yes, she's an actress, I know) so her reaction should be something she's hated for. If you was doing a job like that and somebody came in with an arm full of sores oozing pus, would you just ignore it? Or would you want some gloves? Or at least inquire about the nature of the disease? After all, there are people who wouldn't care to pass along to you their disease, whatever it might be.

If you still think I'm an idiot, I don't understand why and you're missing my point.

"All necessary truth is its own evidence." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

[–] DocOfTheDead 10 years ago

I'm sorry to hear you had a rough day. I can assure you mine was not all glitter and rainbows either.

Reguarding her taking precautions, absolutly justified. I deal with things every day that most people go a lifetime without seeing, and you better believe I take precautions. I happen to think manicurists should be wearing gloves all the time. I take caution to not bring my "work yuck" (for lack of a better term) to others, and would prefer they don't share thiers with me. Of course she should not be fired for it, and nowhere did I say that she should. Assuming something isn't harmless is a backwards way to go about it for sure. Not a chance in hell would I ever assume anything I come in contact with is harmless, and a smaller chance in hell would I touch anything oozing, etc. Are you assuming that I would?
My reply to your post was in response to your post to the poster that was above, I don't recall the posters name, where you called them out and "dared them to say it to your face" I thought that was quite clear, but it's understandable to have been confused as you pointed out you had a bad day, after thanking me for such kind words. Your scarcasm is not wasted on me though. I can appreciate the feeling of coming home after a rough day dealing with more crap than a person should have to endure, knowing that in the next twenty minutes I could be elbow deep in the "work yuck" all over again. I'll say it again though, that I was not calling you an idiot, nor did I imply that I thought you were one. I did not miss your point at all. I completely understood what what you were trying to convey, but perhaps next time may I suggest not jumping on another poster (referring to the origional poster's response--I know, it's a bit confusing because I can't recall their name) for them stating their response to your post? It's a fourum...not everybody is tulips and daisies, and not everybody is a prickly pear cactus. Things don't often translate well when it's not spoken word. Everybody just interperets things different.
I hope you will have a better day tomorrow :)

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[–] holbrookp 10 years ago

Thanks for writing. No, I didn't mean to assume that you would come in contact with something oozing nor that you think the manicurist should be fired. I was basically trying to make the point that everyone has a limit on how far they would go when faced with that situation.

But the model with the disease watching with the show's host in a back room DID delight in the notion of firing the manicurist as expressed by one of the bystanders. Dismissing the manicurist would just not be fair under those circumstances. I've seen people fired for next to no reason and the impact suddenly being out of work had on their own and their family's lives. It's not something to do unless it's really necessary.

I thought I started this out with a reasonable position on the matter and didn't like getting called a fool for it. I just get so sick of seeing people comment as fairly and rationally as they can online and seeing some anonymous troll begin dumping on the hate. The guy just nailed me when I was expecting a fair discussion. Personal attacks like that are uncalled for! And I've never responded like that to an attacker before online. Anyway, it's over with.

"All necessary truth is its own evidence." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

[–] DocOfTheDead 10 years ago

Thanks, I totally understand what you meant regarding firing the manicurist now. Admittedly I was a bit preoccupied while watching it (I think I said that before but I'm not positive if I did) I do recall the model acting like that. I was thinking to myself that it seems odd to be rejoicing over somebody getting fired for something so silly. It gave me a bit of a "mean girl" vibe. I'll see if it's on OnDemand and give it another watch.
Your position was quite reasonable once we all untangled what the other was trying to convey. I apologize if I may have offended, as it was not intentional. I am generally the last person to attack people on imdb..lol feel free to check out my posting history. I attempt to be rather sane, and always enjoy a good debate. you are right about people jumping on and piling on the hate, mostly it's just because they can. lol I think most adults understand that just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

On a side note...I wouldn't mind waking up tomorrow and being out of a job...lol

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[–] Sam-953-169285 9 years ago

The response you got is unfortunately normal for these forums. There are a few members that are prolific about being negative and contradictory. Responding to them can really distract a discussion and make it useless for practical discussions. I know from experience it is often difficult to ignore them and I probably should most of the time. Although the member that made the initial personal attack is out of this discussion, the effect they had has unfortunately significantly distracted this discussion from the intended purpose.

What I often do instead is to respond in a manner that does not feed them and after a while they get tired. Based on my experience, the one thing we must be sure to say is that the attack is personal and unjustified. I still forget to do that sometimes.

[–] Sam-953-169285 9 years ago

Note that zombienut's first post was a strongly personal attack and the next post from them was deleted for some reason. Such personal attacks should not be tolerated, the question is how to deal with them. Many of us don't know what is the best way to deal with them. I think I am more likely to respond in a more appropriate manner but if so then it is only from experience.

DocOfTheDead, I sure don't understand most of what you said.

[–] DocOfTheDead 9 years ago

Hi Sam...lol, I'm sorry! Which didn't you understand? I do have a tendency to ramble a bit and get distracted from what I was actually trying to say. As an added bonus, I am usually sleep deprived which makes it worse..lol
What part/post didn't you understand and I will try to clarify it better!

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[–] DocOfTheDead 10 years ago

And I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be offended if any manicurist, barber, or whatever wanted to wear latex gloves when touching me. Even if they saw something that they identified as possibly a rash they didn't want to catch, I wouldn't mind.

Well you had me up until "Even if they saw something....."

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[–] Torni3945 9 years ago

Most people would freak out if they saw someone with a really bad skin rash they didn't know what it is. First they wouldn't to touch the person and second they would move away from them.

[–] DocOfTheDead 9 years ago

I agree with this...I had an aquaintence that had either psorysis or eczema sores all over her body, and it was really bad on her face. Big red, raised blotches. I observed several people's reactions the first time they saw her, it was alarming. I made it difficult for her to make friends because of it as well. I know when I first met her, the first thought I had was that it was sores that people using drugs cause by picking at their skin (meth users maybe?)
I know if I were to have contact with her skin, be it giving a manicure, hair cut, or medically...I would most certainly wear gloves!

*** EDIT*** Sorry, after rereading your reply to my post I realzied the typo. I left out the letter "t", so it ended up reading that " I made it dfficult for her to make friends because of it as well." It was obviously a typo, and meant to be the word "IT".
Thank you for pointing it out to me in the same gracious way you have responded to others in the past.

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[–] Arvin-G-Borkar 9 years ago

So you do not typically like to argue nastily on IMDb, but in reality, you make it difficult for her to make friends BECAUSE she has a skin condition. Well, we have a bottom feeder in our society.

Better watch out, better start crying. Better hurry up, run and hide. Krampus is coming to town! >:)

[–] Sam-953-169285 9 years ago

Anyone offended by Latex gloves would surely be offended by doctors. They probably don't realize that the Latex gloves can protect them from other customers and patients. They also are likely to be offended by TSA when they fly, especially when they get stripped and touched in personal places.

[–] GraceFromSoCal 10 years ago

My initial reaction to the vitiligo segment was "oh, please! how can anyone NOT know what that is?!" But then I realized that not everyone has the same life experience and/or education I do, so it's definitely possible that people may not know about it.

As for the manicurist wanting to wear gloves, I don't really see it as a big deal. In this day and age, with so much emphasis put on universal precautions, the spreading of various diseases--some of which are deadly--and so on, if the manicurist wasn't SURE about what she was seeing, why not wear gloves? But, of course, the rest of it...the silly theatrics and hysterics...well, that's all uncalled for. But when you're dealing with a stranger, and there's something that looks suspicious to you, why not suggest wearing gloves? If the person then explains what it is, and that it cannot be passed from person to person, I think the natural reaction would be, "oh, okay! I did not know that" and scratching the glove idea.

My doctors--who know me well and know that I don't have anything they might get, and vice versa--don't routinely wear gloves when touching me, or drawing blood. There's no need to. But if I went to some random phlebotomist to have blood drawn, I'd expect them to wear gloves and would be surprised if they didn't; I would not take it as a personal insult. It's all about the details in any given scenario.

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[–] kiboshz 9 years ago

Actually, it would likely be the manicurist, or random nurse drawing blood that I'd be worried about. How many other people have they touched, and how many different germs are they carrying around from so much human contact?

I would expect all people dealing with the public in such an intimate matter to wear gloves with their patients, and change those gloves frequently.

[–] Arvin-G-Borkar 9 years ago

Even if they saw something that they identified as possibly a rash they didn't want to catch, I wouldn't mind. No big deal.

YOU would not mind; however, everyone has a choice of minding and not minding.

Maybe the black model was either paid to act like that and was just not mentioned or she just hated the manicurist (judging by the fact the manicurist was an actress, it would explain the model in the back's reaction.)

Additionally, for people, who want to see this segment, you just gave up the whole plot. Way to go!

Better watch out, better start crying. Better hurry up, run and hide. Krampus is coming to town! >:)

[–] Sam-953-169285 9 years ago

I noticed a few seasons ago that the show should be called "What Should You Do" because they seem to be trying to educate us about what we should do. I often disagree with them about what we should do so I stopped watching.

To the extent that they are trying to educate us about what we should do, I guess they think it is wrong to discriminate against someone due to illness. Except it is not really discrimination. I agree with you and disagree with them, at least based on what you have said.