Not right away, maybe a few months later Mozzie figured the con out. How else did Neal's gift get to the Burke's? And on the same day that Mozzie just so happens to be invited over by Peter?
My guess is that he dropped it off. Peter will find the container and by that point Mozzie will have disappeared to join Neal in Paris.
Anyone have any theories about the container though? It was empty, except for the mannequin, at the start of the episode.
I think Mozzie knew. We don't know when exactly. Maybe right from the start?! I suspect he may actually have been telling Peter the truth while "crying" over Neal's body lol
shareThat was the impression I had. Mozzie was in on the con. He would of course come up with the conspiracy theory, Peter would expect that, until he made Peter believe he was grieving over Neal.. No matter what great acting from all involved.
shareI don't think Mozzie knew. Neal was very secretive even from him from the beginning of the Pink Panthers' case. He withheld his plan to Mozzie--we saw that even when it was just the two of them. I think that it was later that either Mozzie figured it out (probably out of refusal to believe/accept Neal was dead) or Neal sent a clue to get him to the container too. Mozzie obviously went to the container because he left the playing card there. I suspect once he got there, he found the bottle of wine and instructions to give it to Peter.
Shan
"A Friend is one before whom I can think aloud." ~~Ralph Waldo Emmerson
I think he knew all along. Remember when Keller left and they talked about double crossing him? We didn't see that part. Also while the money was falling on Mozzie he was listening to the same french song that was playing in the end in Paris.. It was a hint to him knowing.
shareOh I forgot about the song, good point.
After reading that TVLine interview with Eastin we now know that Mozzie knew at the end, but the more I think about it, maybe he actually knew all along. MAybe this was Mozzie's greatest con too?
He even tricked Peter by telling him "no more conspiracy theories" ; this should make it obvious that Neal is alive ;)
"The end is not the end, but for the beginning an end is always near."
All this makes sense. On a separate thread, I was not realizing there were clues everywhere. I asked about the thing Neal stuffed into his mouth.
People said a puffer fish. So, where does that fit in? They are extremely poisonous, and how would this have helped Neal?
He needed to look dead and it seems the poison of the puffer fish does that. That is what helped Neal to convince Peter that he is dead.
"The end is not the end, but for the beginning an end is always near."
Yeah the whole thing was a con. Surely White Collar fans didn't fall for it?
He obviously stuck around for a year to play out his role before heading off to join Neal. However before he left they led Peter onto the con.
Peter went to find Mozzy but he's gone.
Peter wants to book a flight but decides against it. He's a father now and a changed man. Neal remains "free".
The End.
Or Eastin finding some Network willing to pick up the story and go another seasons with it.
I can see Neal coming back to NY after some years and working as an consultant to the FBI again, playing is "brother" or something.
Or alternatively: "White Collar: Paris" ;D
White Collar is a closed thing. A spinoff show with either Mozzie or Neal id. Ask the producer & actor(s) if they would like to do that, would be interesting to know.
"The end is not the end, but for the beginning an end is always near."
No no no he didn't know, there's no way... Mozzie wouldn't spend a whole year in a city he didn't wanna be in for no reason when he could have left to be with Neal at any moment...
Just wouldn't make sense, I mean I know he had now befriended the Burkes but Caffrey comes before them to him!
dude, they hinted that he was in on it earlier in the episode. Do you remember the song that was playing when he was getting the money from the pipes?
Also, you are aware that Moz had the money, right? How do you think Neal got money?
He stayed behind to sell the con (he and Neal obviously have something else planned). If he would have packed up and left out of the blue, that would have set off red flags.
Agreed. Mozzie hung around long enough to sell it.
He's going to Paris. "I can't stay in one place too long" and "See you around" told us that. Plus, he left the card, the sign that one is not returning, as he'd pointed out to Peter.
Mozzie showed peter the queen when they met at the 3 card Monty game and left it in the container for him to find...
shareExactly. Of course one can make an argument that there are more queen of hearts cards int the world lol but I'm certain it was in the container to symbolize Mozzie being in on it. Besides, I don't want to think Neal is that cruel.
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anyone else noticed the degas "masked dancers" in the container? that was a clue for peter, "dega away with the cash". i´m hoping for a movie now :P
Make your wishes - the Djinn
...hoping for a movie...
I think Neal didn't want Mozzie to know (and he was very secret about it with both Peter, Mozzie and even June) because according to Keller apparently the Pink Panthers like to kill the families of the members that betray which frankly was awful writing but I guess they were desperate to have a dramatic send off.
I really hope Mozzie left to meet up with Neal, their partnership was always more natural than Neal and Peters.
and he had already told Peter that Peter was his best friend over Mozzie and Kate.
he also knew that Mozzie would have been after him to get back INTO the life, and Neal was done with it.
i don't think Mozzie figured it out. and i also believe that Neal was capable of getting that bottle to Peter without Mozzie, he did have more than Mozzie as a source.
i also know Neal did NOT use Mozzie's card at the 3 card monty table when they met, he slipped his own into it. and the card was red, not blue as Mozzie was using.
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actually, the card was blue, as Mozzie's was, but it did NOT have the "ridge".
he could have gone from Paris and back to NY, but did he really know?
Mozzie would have tried to get Neal back into the con-life. UNLESS....he started fresh and new too, he DID give Peter his REAL name Teddy Winters....
Neal could have had anyone deliver that bottle, he could have himself, no one was looking for him......he could have done a lot after his "death" putting ALL that into the container, even the card. he could have made the cork- with the 701 number imprint, left the bottle and gone, or done it all and left a meeting place for Mozzie and they left for Paris together.
Neal ALWAYS had money if he needed, and would not have had to use the Federal Reserve "winnings" (hehehe)....
i think we were the ones conned! lol....because we don't really know who knew what or when.
Neal now had that contract with that Paris Museum to protect it. He DID find a way OUT. he was truthful with Peter -- that Peter was THE ONLY one who believed in him, and that Peter was his best friend, and that he trusted Peter over Mozzie and Kate.
so...did Mozzie know? did Neal leave the bottle or had someone other than Mozzie leave it? did Neal fill the container? Did he completely break ties with Mozzie, so that he would indeed have a freedom from all of it? or did he give Mozzie a chance to be free too?
we may never know.