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Why would the crew....


Need to be encased in a super secure safe fault if they are the last to go to sleep after all the passengers and the pods were supposed to be fail proof [unless there are space pirates]
....but even then why put all your 'eggs' in one basket: if that big asteroid had hit right where the crew was entombed then by-bye crew

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It is probably ( like an airliner ) in case of suicide hijackers, who would be passengers either deliberately waking early, or as planned. Imagine Homestead getting a phone call a couple of years out, saying, "Put a quadrillion dollars in this Swiss bank account, or I'll run the ship into a star".

The ship was never designed to withstand an asteroid impact ; although perhaps the shield has to be switched off in orbit. At 0.5c, things will only hit it from the front ; but when moving slowly, they could hit it from the sides or rear.

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It is probably ( like an airliner ) in case of suicide hijackers, who would be passengers either deliberately waking early, or as planned. Imagine Homestead getting a phone call a couple of years out, saying, "Put a quadrillion dollars in this Swiss bank account, or I'll run the ship into a star".
And the hijacker has to wait 55 years for the grand-daughter of his Swiss banker to assure him or her that the $1,000,000,000,000 has been deposited?

So, if you are that hijacker: (1) How do you know that is really your Swiss banker? (2) How do you know you can trust them? (3) How are you going to spend that $1,000,000,000,000? (4) Even if you can trust your banker's grand-daughter, can you trust that their great-grand-daughter, great-great-grand-daughter, won't embezzle your illicit savings? (5) So, you somehow sneak back to Earth, hundreds of years after your departure, you show up at your Swiss bank, and the teller says, "Sorry Dr Evil, but inflation has eroded the value of the dollar so much we don't have any bills small enough to issue you your savings. But since you have been such a loyal customer I can issue you a free pen."

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Maybe political reasons to make a statement of maybe someone who's really pissed at Homestead.

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a couple of years out,
Jim had to wait 55 years for a reply, only because the Avalon was 30 years out.

(3) How are you going to spend that $1,000,000,000,000?

"suicide hijackers"
Someone else spends the money.

As rgklapp suggests, the hijacking might be for political reasons ( many terrestrial examples ). It might, ( like 9/11 ) come with no demand at all, or be for personal reasons ( as Germanwings Flight 9525 ). They might even crash it back into the Earth.

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"suicide hijackers"
Someone else spends the money.
That could be "I'll kill us all unless you deposit $1,000,000,000,000 to my account.

But suppose the bomber's intent is that you pay someone else, his or her spouse, children? They should wait decades, for a message from the children, spouse, saying the spent to $1,000,000,000,000 to charter their own starship? What does the hijacker do if, while waiting 55 years for confirmation the money was paid, the autodoc says they have come down with cancer, and won't live 55 years? Send the ship into the nearby star, anyhow? Send the ship back to Homestead II anyhow?

What does the hijacker do if 55 years comes and goes, and they don't hear anything from Earth? At 56 years they are going to have to consider (1) Their message didn't get through; (2) A reply was sent, but it didn't get through; (3) During the first 46/47 years of the voyage a final nuclear war broke out, and destroyed all life on Earth, so their confederates are dead, but so is everyone else.
As rgklapp suggests, the hijacking might be for political reasons ( many terrestrial examples ). It might, ( like 9/11 ) come with no demand at all, or be for personal reasons...
Consider the UK government and the IRA. They were at loggerheads for decades. But, the old generation of leaders retired, and a younger generation of leaders made peace. If you are a bomber, wanting to strike a blow, you might send a message, your message
Ha ha ha UN, my group is getting even! By the time you get this message I will already have plunged Avalon into a nearby star!
Well, for all you know your confederates may have made peace with your enemies! Your confederates may have been elected to be the world's leaders!

It would be terrible if you kill 5000 innocent people for an old cause, or a totally lost cause. If your confederates were in power, when news of your atrocity arrives on Earth, the bad news might bring down their government.

So political bombings, that it takes decades for Earth to learn about, are a terrible idea.

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a couple of years out

Didn't I say that clearly enough ?

The 9/11 hijackers acted soon after take-off, in their case to maximise the fuel in the tanks.

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Didn't I say that clearly enough ?
Um, sorry, I guess not.
The 9/11 hijackers acted soon after take-off, in their case to maximise the fuel in the tanks.
So, they plunge into the first star Avalon passes near?

We don't know which would be the first star Avalon would pass nearby. Even if it were Alpha Centauri, the closest star, those on Earth wouldn't learn of the atrocity for a dozen years. At half the speed of light it takes 8 years to get there, and another 4.3 years for your farewell message to get back to Earth.

Okay Arcturus's right ascension (measured in hours, minutes, seconds) is: 14h 15m 39.7s. Arcturus's declination (measured from +90 to -90) is: +19° 10′ 56″. The following link is to wikipedia's table of nearest stars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars_and_brown_dwarfs#List

If I am reading the table correctly Alpha Centauri is pretty close to the same right ascension as Arcturus, but is almost 90 degrees off in declination.

It took me a while to figure out how to visualize this attempt to give a 3d map of all the stars within 15 lightyears. It looks like the Avalon wouldn't come near any stars within its first 15 lightyears. Arcturus is only 36 lightyears away. It might be the first star Avalon actually does comes near. Mind you the script has the Avalon passing Arcturus in year 31 -- decades early.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars_and_brown_dwarfs#Maps_of_nearby_stars

We don't know where Homestead II is. All we know about Avalon's route is that its route was supposed to pass very close to Arcturus.

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I'll concede ; the only feasible star for a ransom / political statement, is our own sun. Anything past that, would probably be personal. I'm sure the future will have its fair share of lunatics.

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Darn, I read a pretty good science fiction story where terrorists did destroy humanity's first or second starship, together with its crew, which included some of humanity's very finest minds. Now what was that novel's name?

Yes, lunacy will always be with us -- stupidity too.

Cheers!

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Union regulations. The crew can't get bothered to share room with the plebes.


We don't know how long it takes to start the hibernation process. There might be security concerns during departure.

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I just watched the movie. This pissed me off big time as well. WTF were they in there protected for?

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