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Do you agree with how the Queens "decided" to eliminate each other?

posted 8 years ago by KaRa308
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Not the whole one on one thing, that sometimes is a little odd to me, but saying that they will eliminate based on critiques because it's "fair", Do you guys agree with that?

(Mind you I'm only using Alyssa as an example since she was the only one to "change it up" so far)I think it is fine as a base, however I don't see a problem with a Queen going with their gut. It's not set in stone that everyone will/should go off critiques. I think Alyssa had a right to "go off script" because ultimately it is the Queen who won's decision. No matter who wins throughout this Season, it is their decision to make, they have no obligation to stick with some verbal agreement about critiques, there can be many factors involved.

And I'm not talking about Queens just eliminating someone because they feel like it and being shady, I mean if they feel (like Alyssa did) that a Queen is flat out better or has more to show, etc. Then they can decide based on that. It is THEIR choice in the end. Yes it sucks and I honestly was disappointed to see Tatiana go (she really made me want to see more of her) but every decision may be different. I understand the fairness angle but sometimes it may not be as fair as they think when not considering other factors during the week or past. A Queen that is skating by "safe", unnoticed VS a Queen that did great a week ago or the whole time even then had one meh or bad challenge... that decision to me is more difficult than just critiques. Thoughts?

[–] taopolis 8 years ago

I think it is fine as a base, however I don't see a problem with a Queen going with their gut. It's not set in stone that everyone will/should go off critiques. I think Alyssa had a right to "go off script" because ultimately it is the Queen who won's decision. No matter who wins throughout this Season, it is their decision to make, they have no obligation to stick with some verbal agreement about critiques, there can be many factors involved.

I completely agree with everything you said. The last episode kind of bugged me that Phi Phi and some of the others were acting like Alyssa broke the official rules the game. At the beginning of the season, Rupaul said that winner of the lipsync will eliminate one of the bottom queens and that's all. No more no less. She gave them zero guidance. And while I think it was ok that the queens created a system of checks and balances to help with the decision-making process, nothing was written in the official by-laws of the show. I thought Alyssa was right to bring up consistency as a factor; sometimes people can have off nights. Phi Phi was only worried about her a$$.

[–] fiero-49251 8 years ago

Sorry, but Ginger was little more than a filler! She does well in her aesthetic, but she wasn't going to win! She was fortunate enough to make the finale in her original season! 

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[–] KaRa308 8 years ago

LOL Wow. There is something I like about Ginger but she isn't my favorite. I need to rewatch the last few seasons.

[–] kerrydragon 8 years ago

I don't agree with the way Rupaul puts them in such a mean position,so uncomfortable

[–] russejen 8 years ago

I totally agree. These queens are friends in real life, and forcing them to eliminate each other is potentially setting them up to lose friends. The decisions they make on this season might severely change their lives and how people view them.

As for whether or not I agree with their 'rules', not particularly. I think, because they are friends, this is the safest way to eliminate people. They can say "it wasn't anything personal; you were just the worst this week." I think it also makes them feel safe to know that they only have to do well to stay in the competition (no one is going to eliminate you just for being strong competition). But I completely understand why Phi Phi freaked out when Alyssa eliminated Ginger, because suddenly it was about consistency, which she is the bottom of (now she's more at the top because she won the challenge last week; Roxxxy and Katya are technically in the bottom).

I do think it's unfair to eliminate someone just for having a bad night. Past RPDG winners had been in the bottom at least once or twice. They are given a long list of potential outfits to bring, and they have to hope the ones that are picked are the ones they have good outfits for. Sometimes you just won't.

I love Katya; she's my favourite Queen. BUT, I don't agree that Ginger should have gone home that week. I think that was unfair because she rocked the challenge. However, I do think Katya was set-up to fail because Princess Di was given nothing funny to do, and zero choreography. I don't know. I'm so confused!

[–] NdrwMsc 8 years ago

Here's where the logic of "it was just an off night" doesn't work: using the same idea, Detox should have gone home in the second episode. She was safe in the first episode while Roxxxy and Tatianna were in the top 2. Detox outperformed both of them in the Snatch Game and in the Runway, but using the idea that one specific queen somehow has more to show than another in an all star competition should have meant Detox went packing. And yet, we don't see that logic applied with that, only when it comes to Katya. And that's because unlike Detox, Ginger isn't as popular. It's a shame, because she's a great queen and very talented, but for whatever reason does not appear to be viewed that way. So even though she killed the challenge, she gets sent home and everyone is left justifying why it was okay. "Katya just had a bad night." "Katya has more to give." "They both got read on their runway looks." "Katya wasn't given the right role or choreography." It's all ridiculous. If it had been another more popular queen standing next to her who outperformed Katya and still got sent home, everyone would be enraged.

They're all amazing queens. Anyone who was asked back deserves the crown. It's part of why they were asked back. If you don't apply critiques and actual performance in the challenges and looks on the runway, then the competition is meaningless. You might as well not have a show and just replace it with a poll on Twitter.

[–] KaRa308 8 years ago

Yea I agree with you on that. I could see Detox going on when you suggest but everyone was going off critiques then and now Alyssa did something different, so now that is a possibility. I guess we can see how this week goes! and if everyone will just do what they feel is the right choice or not.

[–] A_Llama_Drama 8 years ago

The thing is, all you have to do is rewatch season 7. Ginger outperformed Katya in almost every challenge except the conjoined twins (TBH Violet or Pearl should have lip synced against Trixie in the prancing queens challenge as neither could dance and Trixie had still not shown anything amazing. And top 4 should have been Katya, Kennedy, Violet and Ginger). If it was based purely on talent and not personality, Ginger would have stayed. I think it was nuts that Ginger was put in the bottom at all (and that they only put TWO in the bottom, it stinks of strings being pulled behind the scenes, how else would they get rid of a "middle of the pack" Queen?). Phi Phi had every right to be miffed (though, I still don't understand why she even opened her mouth at all if she wanted a nice edit). Katya is a great personality and should be kept for as long as possible because she's one of the most fun queens the show has ever had but she is not as polished, or as talented as Ginger. I also think Detox should go home. She's disappointed me this time around (I feel like I can see her limits). I kind of think the queens who've impressed me so far are Phi Phi, Alaska and Alyssa. Katya was great in Snatch Game, hopefully she does better this week so I can have more positive opinions of her.

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[–] evilcookiepixie 8 years ago

Here's the thing... they're performers so their only job is to entertain people and be popular. If Ginger is failing and that and Katy us not, it is clear who the better queen is.

[–] Cassrf 8 years ago

The thing that makes it the right way to go is that in a competition it only takes one bad day. On Project Runway the tag line is something like you're in and then you're out.

The thing that makes what Alyssa did such a awful move is that no matter what she says, she agreed to the rules when she didn't not explicitly state that she didn't like the idea. Her mind was already made up so it's actually kind of cruel for her to talk to Katya and Ginger and then say stuff like Katya had a fire in her eyes and that it was only one bad night for her. She disregarded the fact that Ginger had done amazing in the challenge but faultered on the runway while Katya did bad on the look, performance, and runway. If Katya had switched rolls with Ginger or Detox they would have performed better than she did in the roll. This is the area that she failed in last time.

What made it a bad idea for Alyssa is that she's extremely smart so I suspect that she thought that if she flipped the script that others would follow and it would save her down the line. She probably wasn't expecting to be in the bottom the next week or for the girls to stick to the plan after the switch up. She basically dug her own grave. The only thing that I could see changing the elimination process is if Detox is in the top and Roxxxy or Alaska are in the bottom and do the worst.

[–] evilcookiepixie 8 years ago

O course not. It's complete bullcrap and I love that my favourite queens Katya and Alyssa were not on board from the get go. I fully agree with Alyssa, it's not fair to eliminate someone based on one performance. Everything should be taken in to account. Plus it's impossible to get rid of your subjectivity, which was clear when Tatianna got eliminated. Also, if it was so easy to go by the judges' critiques they would have been able to easily predict which queen will be eliminated in the previous seasons.

And lastly and most importantly, it seemed to have been completely forced on the queens. Katya was speaking out against it and they just ignored her. If it was me I would have said from the get go, I don't agree and I'll do it my way. They don't have the right to dictate how the winner chooses the eliminated queen.