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Talking about the book, the ending (spoilers)

posted 14 years ago by mrkovacs1
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I know Lisbeth doesn't give a **** about the police but still, to have her create a situation at the warehouse where innocent cops could have been killed was just wrong. Suppose Modig or Figuerola or anyone for that matter showed up and got shot in the face by a Svavelsjö member because of her little stunt. Takes away from some of the sympathy I have for her.

Seriously, she put innocent officers at risk to get her revenge. It's entertaining writing but not in character.

[–] todd_gieseke-1 14 years ago

huh, i never really thought about that. i just assumed she thought it was the most effective way to get rid of niederman and get the club members arrested...

[–] mrkovacs1 14 years ago

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huh, i never really thought about that. i just assumed she thought it was the most effective way to get rid of niederman and get the club members arrested...

It was a very effective method to get rid of all her advesaries in a nice clean sweep but suppose the next mornings newspaper read:

"Three police officers die in shootout with biker gang"

She had to of (or Stieg) thougt that the outcome could possibly lead to innocent people dying.

It's not a big deal but it just reminds me of yelling "FIRE" in a movie theatre for fun only to find out a five year old got trampled to death in the stampede.

[–] BW 14 years ago

Didn't she mention that the bikers were heavily armed?

[–] raketex 14 years ago

Yes she did, so she gave the police adequate fair warning (plus all that other detail like "bikers from __________ are at the warehouse to kill that cop-killer Niedermann" which is more than adequate information on how to prepare for that encounter).

[–] dac287 14 years ago

She couldn't give Niedermann to the police because she just got out of getting locked up for life by the skin of her teeth. Besides Niedermann is sadistically evil to women given what he did to her sometimes lover, Miriam Wu, and more explicitly in the book when she found two dead women in that warehouse that Niedermann had killed and left to rot in a pool/vat of chemicals/something like that. And nothing pisses Lisbeth off more than cruelty to women (especially herself).

So Niedermann had to go. The motor gang was pissed at him for stealing their money, killing one of their men and his girlfriend (in the film I think it is applied he only beat and possibly raped her), which was in all the newspapers and on the Internet. Surely, they'd want revenge?

Next step is to get rid of the motor gang that would also want revenge on Lisbeth for sending two of them to the hospital, one of whom had to go to prison afterwards in the book because of his associations with Niedermann and Zalachenko. Well, the police surely would be interested in a murder?

All she did is help the police arrest known murderers and drug dealers who may have come looking for her one day. Justice is served as far as Lisbeth is concerned.

[–] Eponymous-too 14 years ago

News flash - police know that their jobs involve high risk sometimes. It's not like they would have been unprepared. She told them that the biker gang was heavily armed.

"My name is Paikea Apirana, and I come from a long line of chiefs stretching all the way back to the Whale Rider."

[–] Miss_Sui_Generis 14 years ago

Surely the Swedish police are trained in the use of firearms and issued bullet-proof vests.

[–] mrkovacs1 14 years ago

News Flash! No need to be sarcastic. I am well aware of the dangers of police work and when choosing the profession an individual is conscious of the fact that they are putting their life at risk. I'm also aware that it is their job and they have acess to firearms and are well trained.

My issue, and I really didn't want to get into a pissing contest, is that no citizen should put them in unneccesary risk. Yes, Lisbeth's plan was perfect for her needs and neatly ended her problems, but like I said earlier innocent people could have died because of her actions.

Let's say you see a bank being robbed, call the police, they arrive, shootout occurs, officers die.

I'm fine with that because the bank robbers, not the caller, created the situation.

I was recently listening to a radio call in show where a woman was asking advice on how to gain custody of her son who was with his father(who had legal partial custody)who was a drug addict and created an unsafe environment for her child. She said she has called the police and they really didn't do anything because a woman calling them and saying "My ex, who has legal custody of my son is a drug user." is more a matter for the courts, not the police to come in guns blazing.

The radio host then said "What you do next time is call the police anonymously, give the name and address of her ex and say "officer down" and see how fast the police come."

Within minutes the host was barraged by calls from police officers who told him that it was not only illegal(I know Lisbeth doesn't care about that and it's not my point) but that it could put innocent people and officers at risk. They're going to speed to the scene which could cause otherwise avoidable auto accidents and when they get there, depending on the ex it could result in people dying or even the death of her own child.

I really didn't mean to get this much into it. It was just something I was thinking when I was reading the book.

[–] daryl-b-t 14 years ago

"is that no citizen should put them in unneccesary risk. Yes, Lisbeth's plan was perfect for her needs and neatly ended her problems, but like I said earlier innocent people could have died because of her actions. "

You don't think the police would be interested in apprehending a violent bikie gang killing someone? What about further people being killed if they aren't stopped?

As stated, she gave fair warning.

The bigger moral question is about nailing someone's feet to the floor, from this they could get a nasty infection.

[–] godzillaprime 13 years ago

Your stories would be better if they had a point.

[–] sarabandit 13 years ago

I just finished the last book, and I also noted that she (unnecessarily?) created a shoot out between the gang and the police.

I'm just gonna accept it b/c thats what I've had to do with a lot in these books. I don't understand why people may be charged with manslaughter or murder if someone breaks into their house and they are defendig themselves...I don't understand why Lisbeth doesn't accept that there ARE some GOOD cops...like Modig, Bublanski and all the rest.
I do understand that she didn't want to get caught up in more drama...which seems to be neverending in the Swedish justice system. I don't understand their laws and how any of it constitutes justice.
Luckily, I don't live in Sweden and never plan to, if these books hold even a shred of truth.

Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

[–] godzillaprime 13 years ago

... I thought it was pretty smart and original. What, did you want her to just walk in and kick all their asses? I was actually quite surprised when she called the cops. I thought she just wanted revenge on her brother but then those whacky mischievous biker's get their comeuppance too? All right. She said there were armed thugs in a warehouse about to kill Niederman. The cops probably gonna be prepared. Besides that.... it's their job. When you see some gangbangers holding up a store do you think "Oh, I should call the cops. But I better not, they could get hurt." ?

What the hell is wrong with you?

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[–] Caon 13 years ago

I haven't watched the third film yet, but in the book the warehouse scene takes place 2 hours away from Stockholm. Modig and Figuerola were never in danger because local police would have shown up. They aren't going to wait hours for police from Stockholm to make an apperance.