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As A Non Partisan Hack Who Hates Democrats & Republicans Equally

posted 4 years ago by President4Life (282)
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I thought it was a good movie.

It wasn't as good as the first. The first was one of the funniest movies of all-time and it was new, fresh, and radical in it's approach.

This one, you kinda know what to expect going in from Baron Cohen.

I will say, that the actress who plays his daughter absolutely steals the movie. She's able to go from despair to elation while playing the perfect foil to the comedic veteran. I think she is going to be a huge star in the near future.

The movie is obviously very anti-Trump and heavy-handedly so. Even though I'm no fan of the guy, I'm a little annoyed of Hollywood constantly hitting me over the head with their disdain for the guy. It's like, "we get it, you don't like him. But also, it's like "If Trump was so bad, then why were all of you such good friends with him for so many years? Why be in his TV shows, beauty pageants, and invite him to all your good Hollywood/Manhattan parities if you hate him so much?"

At the same time, he is the president, and there is absolute value in making fun of the president, no matter who he is & what party he's in, because there's value in bringing our elected officials down a peg.

Obviously, everybody has biases and I'm not a believer that you always have to make fun of both sides equally, but there is a thin line between having a point of view that comes out in your work (which everyone has) and purposely making a hit piece for the purpose of affecting the outcome of an election and the release of this right before the election obviously shows that it is in part that.

Overall, the best parts of the movie are the ones that aren't heavy-handed, like in the cellphone store, during the cotillion, the scenes with his daughter are almost all great, at the plastic surgeon's office, and I love the scenes with professional babysitter Jeanise Jones, who somehow brought a down to earth compassion to the ridiculousness that Borat & his daughter brought to her.

The worst parts of the film were the ones where it felt like they were picking on the slow kids in class, like the QAnon people and the country fans, who some (I'm not saying all country fans are stupid) seemed to be at the least mentally disturbed and at worst just out and out retarded.

It's just unfortunate that we've gotten to a place that we can't just have comedy anymore without all this political and cultural baggage that goes with it, but it is what it is.

Borat II's a really funny movie that isn't as perfect as the first because it's made in a time that won't allow it to be as funny as the first.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

That's the problem with cultural change.

England-based cultures highly value the concept of 'fair play'. That's a extremely important social feature which allows the high level of freedom in those cultures. Last decades, US is not an English culture anymore, but a combination with South-American and Black cultures. A blend, a middle land between them. And these culture don't share the respect for the 'fair play' concept. You can notice in how the US society is changing, whites included.

The rules is US are still the ones inherited from the time US was an English based culture, though. You have an astounding level of freedom to attack authority, since abusing this freedom would be considered 'unfair' and morally questionable. That's not the case anymore.

Another example is the high level of independence of federal agencies. In UK, for example, the state-based BBC has a high level of independence too. That's allowed because those organizations were supposed to be non-partisan, neutral, 'fair'. That's not happening anymore neither.

In other countries, federal agencies (or the equivalent) or public service broadcaster have NO independence. In other countries, mainstream media attacking the government the way they've done in US would end with lots of journalists in jail and media closed. In other countries, you wouldn't be able to release this movie. Out of US, most of people think that American mainstream media narrative about Trump must be true, because they can't imagine that those media would be allowed to blatantly and repeatedly lie without being closed. The level of freedom you have in US, you won't see it in other countries, even western ones.

US society is not going back to the original English culture, since the South-American and Black population are the ones growing. Eventually, rules will change and the current level of freedom will disappear.

In the meanwhile, you have movies like this one released just before elections. 'Fair play' is not a core value anymore.

[–] President4Life (282) 4 years ago

I get where you're coming from to an extent, but let me say that as a Black person, what I've noticed is that White liberals are far more militant about political correctness & snatching away freedoms to fairly attack society than we are as Black & Latin people. Our culture gave the world rock n roll, hip-hop, jazz, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, and a lot of the more anti-establishment free mediums.

Whereas, I'm seeing a lot more of the Hollywood, New York Times, NPR, Silicon Valley types pushing this sort of oppressive culture than anything, while saying it's in our names rather than us our selves. They seem to be people obsessed more obsessed with calling everything racist, sexist, or homophobic, than any of the Black, Latin, female, or gay people I know, who seem to just be normal people.

Like, I know a lot more Black people than you would think who actually either like Trump(because they think he's open about who he is as opposed to pretending to be something he's not), or are at least not in complete panic mode (because hey, we lived through a hell of a lot worst in slavery & civil rights era) than a lot of White liberal types who seem to be melting down in Trump's America.

With Latinos its even more prevalent as he's become especially popular with Florida & Texas Latino people who seem to be voting for him & conservatives in much higher numbers than anyone thought they would.

What we have is this bizarre culture now, where you have White people in charge of media outlets who are falling over themselves to prove their not racist, sexist, or homophobic, by being more sensitive and oppressive than the people they claim to be protecting at times.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Fully agreed.

I remember one post I read a few years ago. It was written by a young black American. He was a good student and he complained how other blacks bullied him because being a good student meant he was "betraying" the black brothahood o some shit like that. He said how his grandfather used to tell him about the black community during the 50s/60s and how back then streets were safe and people in the black community valued hardworking and professionalism. Of course, that's just one person's testimony, but someway I think it's quite close to the truth.

I think the black American community was slowly changing during the XXth and adopting white protestant values, which was a very positive change. Societies are like people: they need pressure (and time) to change.

That was fucked up by the anti-racism movements during the late 60s/70s. The right message whites should have sent back then should have been "Universities and other services are now being open to you because you earned it. You want more, you keep the same path. You fuck up, then we go back". That would have been the right incentive. Instead of it, the message sent was "We are evil racist and we were oppressing you, oh poor victim". Suddenly, the pressure to change, to become better, it vanishes. If you fuck up, it's not your fault! You're a victim, after all, you're entitled! The consequence was the social decline in the black community during the 80s.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions. I love that sentence. There's so much truth in it.

But now, it is what it is. Many whites have become wokes, and most blacks have completely abandoned the path of meritocracy, professionalism and law abidingness. Of course, I'm talking about communities. Individuals can be different. After all, my mother tongue is Spanish, no matter I value northern European system of values much more than my own. At the end of the day, though, while you can pick your friends... you have to live with the whole community.

[–] samoanjoes (56642) 4 years ago

He was a good student and he complained how other blacks bullied him because being a good student meant he was "betraying" the black brothahood o some shit like that.

It's like when a black person enunciates when they speak, but they get accused from some other black people as "talking white".

[–] TheDemon (589) 4 years ago

Is that a bit like the 'Banana in the tail pipe' gag from Beverley Hills Cop?