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5/10: Disappointing, unbalanced and Radcliffe STILL can't act . . .


http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/review/kill-your-darlings-2013-film-review-by-david-graham

The latest in the recent flurry of patchy Beat-pics, John Krikodas’ debut is a somewhat simplistic and one-sided chronicle that fails to do justice to the tragic arc of its characters, flying in the face of generally-held beliefs to paint a peculiarly damning portrait of Kerouac, Burroughs et al. More or less functioning as a prequel to other Allen Ginsberg biopics, the publicity-stoking casting of Daniel Radcliffe hasn’t really paid off – he’s as ineffectual here as he was in The Woman In Black – while the brilliance of the authors is lost amongst their petty antics. There’s an enveloping darkness to the story, but crucial details are willingly flubbed – as they were in Howl but to less detrimental effect - leading to a manipulative and sour experience that feels as false as it does flat.

When he is accepted into New York’s prestigious Columbia University, teenage would-be writer Allen Ginsberg is overjoyed to be leaving his sedate New Jersey borough and patronising poet father, but his mentally unstable mother remains a constant concern. He finds respite from the skirt-chasing jocks in his dorm with the louche, revolutionary-minded Lucien Carr, whose literary ambitions conflict with his nocturnal debauchery. Inserting the shy but smitten Ginsberg into his group of arty associates – including the perpetually wasted Bill Burroughs and experience-advocating seaman-turned-writer Jack Kerouac – trouble soon brews when Carr’s similarly besotted gentleman friend David enters the picture, his obsession reaching dangerous levels as Allen comes to question his own relationship with his flighty beau.

Curiously for an openly gay director, Krikodas doesn’t deal very sensitively with the issues sexuality presented for these period characters, simplifying their desires down perhaps to make them more palatable to a post-Potter mainstream target audience, who surely won’t be interested in the first place. Ginsberg’s pining is portrayed as being somewhat pathetic, while Carr’s ambivalence seems to tip over into homophobia at points in ways that feel like a denial themselves (of an obviously more complex reality), the script seemingly punishing him for exploiting the others’ affections. The hypocritical matter of ’honor slayings’ (where purportedly heterosexual men argued self-defence against ‘predatory’ homosexuals) should also have led into some intriguing courtroom drama, surely the first time a film cries out for more of this staple rather than less.

It’s understandable for a debutante, but Krikodas’ style is often frustrating, falling back on out-of-focus shots to impart a clichéd substance-addled wooziness and too many sped-up montages and rewound moments to portray Ginsberg’s muse-chasing and moral uncertainty respectively. The editing smacks of someone who’s seen Requiem For A Dream too many times, while the group’s crimes against authority and their staid establishment aren’t quite as suspenseful or entertaining as they should be. It’s all too clearly the work of a first-time director, confusing energy with insight, although the trendy use of classic jazz alongside a couple of anachronistic modern hipster-rock songs is actually quite rousing in places.

Too many of the performances coast on the actors’ customary schtick: Ben Foster (typecast as Burroughs) does mumbly derangement yet again, Dane DeHaan glowers with his usual dark intensity while Radcliffe flounders in another earnest but fundamentally inappropriate role. He looks about right as the bookish Ginsberg and his accent is passable, but he never seems to scratch the surface of Ginsberg’s myriad boiling pressures, falling back on obvious facial tics and after-school emoting. Women are something of a token presence too: Jennifer Jason Leigh is impressive but under-used despite Mrs Ginsberg being such a huge part of her son’s world-view and poetry, while Elizabeth Olsen continues to plough a Maggie Gyllenhal-esque middle ground between worthy indie fare and blockbusters, neither of which do her much favour.

Perhaps most impressive is Dexter star Michael C Hall, bringing an aching pathos to Lu’s tortured admirer David, veering between jealous rage and desperate appeals in a way that makes the character more sympathetic than he probably deserves (Kammerer began grooming and stalking his ‘love’ when Carr was just 14). By failing to commit to any one character's view though, Krikodas seems uncertain how to handle Kammerer’s fate, leaving the denouement bizarrely underwhelming, and severely biased against Carr when in actual fact he was probably the victim of what today would constitute paedophilia (the end-credit titles hint at how Carr went on to be a much-respected and more humble man – friend to Kerouac to the end - than seems possible from his depiction here).

Taken as a yarn, it’s a familiar tale of teenage infatuation leading to tragedy, and as cinema, it’s a pretty bog-standard biopic. It’s watchable due to the charismatic leads and the evergreen appeal of the deeply flawed but invigorating Beat Generation movement, but Krikodas should be wary of letting his style run rampant over material that could have been both resonant and disturbing given some restraint, while Radcliffe still needs a role that plays to his strengths to advance his career as a leading man. Kill Your Darlings isn’t exactly bad, it’s just a bit boring and misguided, something Ginsberg could never be accused of.

5/10

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It is always possible to find film reviews that run contrary to the majority if you seek them out - if you read even a small portion of the myriad reviews that have appeared in print since KYD was first shown at Sundance you will discover that even those that find fault with the film as a whole still praise the acting of the ensemble. Don't take my word for it - here's a round up of reactions from Sundance http://www.hypable.com/2013/01/18/kill-your-darlings-daniel-radcliffe- sundance/

Radcliffe's acting? 'a defining performance...simply terrific' Independent 17.01.13

'a considered and powerful performance' BFI London Film Festival 2013

Despite his lack of physical resemblance to the poet, Radcliffe's confident portrayal is notable for its vitality and range. He superbly conveys Ginsberg's sensitive nature and tortured sexuality.
USA Today Claudia Puig 15.10.13

Radcliffe provides an absolutely electric performance, showing a quirky, fun, yet complex side to Radcliffe as an actor
Matt Donato 14.10.13 5*

There are, of course many, many more in the same positive vein than there are negative. In my experience it is unwise to rely on the opinion of one reviewer but it is tempting to so do if it confirms your own bias.

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Have you actually seen it? I think I was disappointed by it having read such glowing reviews. Didn't rate Radcliffe in The Woman In Black and he's not much better here - he just seems out of his depth, pretty much falls back on mildy bewildered or wonderment at most points. Most of the other actors aren't exactly stretching themselves either (I really like Foster, Lewis, Olsen and DeHaan too), with the exception of Hall.

Not many reviewers have touched on the skewed viewpoint the film takes, making Carr out as somewhat poisonous and Kammerer as sympathetic, when the opposite seems more true. This - as well as how obvious it all felt - was my main issue. There have been much less positive reviews here in the UK - a little distance, whether in time or geographically, can take the lustre off a film that's praised in other quarters (especially its place of origin). Sad but true. Happens alot with British films in the US too - we think they suck for their parochialism, American critics love them partly because of it.

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Don't worry, your reply is from a Radcliffe fan.

I get pulverised there because I think he just can't act, it's quite funny actually. Radcliffe should give up, he's useless & it's embarrassing.

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I'm glad there are at least a few others out there who feel as I do. I cannot stand Radcliffe yet I have given him numerous chances to prove to me that he's a talented actor, and so far he has failed to do so. It's time to hang it up, Danny Boy.

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That's your opinion, so he don't have to hang anything up. You don't like him, fine don't watch him, but it's not based upon your decision whether he continues his career or not, so get over it.

<3MICHELLE<3

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Lol. Go away.

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I don't have to. There is no need for you to act like a child. Everyone has different opinions. Personally I have no opinion of the film, because I have yet to see it, but you are acting as if your opinion is the only one that matters. Grow up.

<3MICHELLE<3

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It IS the only one that matters - to me. You already have your own opinion of Daniel as well, which is obvious by the way you are defending him. Hold onto yours and I'll hold onto min, and maybe you can even open your mind up and realize that not everyone has to share your opinion. If I want to voice mine, that's my business. If you don't like it, perhaps you need some time off from IMDb.

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and maybe you can even open your mind up and realize that not everyone has to share your opinion.


Maybe you need to learn to read, in my last post above I blatantly said that everyone has different opinions. Clearly I already have an open mind and understand that others don't share my opinion. Me not liking your opinion is my right that's called disagreeing I have every right to counter your opinion with my own and that's what I did I was not disrespectful towards you, I just did not agree with your view and I have the right to do so.

<3MICHELLE<3

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Look, little girl, I know you're irritated because I insulted your schoolgirl crush Harry Potter, but it will be okay. Someday you will grow up and you might even get a real boyfriend. Until that day comes and you stare up at the Daniel Radcliffe poster in your room day after day, hold onto that thought - that you are entitled to your terrible taste in actors and boys.
He's not a good actor, he's overrated because he was in some high-grossing films, and he is an arrogant prick to boot. If you like him, good for you. We can agree to disagree...just know that my opinion is the right one. Lol
Good day. ;)

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OK this is my last post to you....

1) I do not recall saying whether I thought Radcliffe was a good actor or bad actor.

2)You don't think he is a good actor others disagree, that does not make them children. Nor does it mean they have terrible taste and that yours is so great.

3)I am not irritated at all, Harry Potter is not my school girl crush, I am not a little girl and I do not have a poster of him on my wall. I would tell you I am a grown ass woman with a job and an education, but it's not like you would believe that. People like you seem to believe that if people like what you don't, they must be ignorant and childish.

just know that my opinion is the right one. Lol
Good day. ;)


Lets talk about who the little girl is here. Based on what I said in my previous post I assume that it is you who is irritated by my opinion. Your opinion is your opinion, not the right opinion. You getting huffy puffing and calling me names is childish.

now you have a nice day yourself...

<3MICHELLE<3

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ether, really, from writing an intelligent reasonable review but now you'r being so silly. You've now lost your argument, sadly.

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I don't really much care either way, ellie. I'm not here to impress anyone or conform to anyone's views of how I should and shouldn't behave on a message board.

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Faaaaarrrrt !!

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not!"

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I certainly think he's a useless actor, but ARROGANT???, examples please. For me, his only saving grace is that he's actually a really nice guy.

Are you sure your hatred or jealousy of his wealth perhaps, is not colouring your judgement on that?

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Perhaps pretentious would be a more fitting description.

I can assure you that his wealth is not at the root of my dislike. I'm not wealthy by any means, but I'm not poor either. On top of that, I'm rich with love from friends and family. In that respect, I'm wealthy beyond my wildest hopes and dreams. ;)

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Whatever to all that. You're still a douche.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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I'm your mom's douche. Oooooo, burn.

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Lol. Nice comeback man. Good sarcasm.

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LOL.

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[My opinion] IS the only [opinion] that matters - to me


The eternal cry of the arrogant narcissist.

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I'm extremely arrogant and narcississtic, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. :)

Hence the irony that I dislike Radcliffe for the very same qualities. I'm an ignorant troll, I am. Yes ma'am, I am.

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Jeez, will you people grow up....why keep replying to each other? Let it drop, kids........

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You're right, David. I've been trolling way too long on this thread! :)

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I cannot stand Radcliffe yet I have given him numerous chances to prove to me that he's a talented actor.


Didn't know he had to prove himself to you. I'm sure this keeps him awake at night. All I know is he's rich as sh*t and you are sitting behind your computer poor with nothing better to do with your time than critique his acting like you wrote the book on it. I'm sure you could not have done a better job so please get over yourself.

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"We're going to see the elves!"

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Learn to read: "I can assure you that his wealth is not at the root of my dislike. I'm not wealthy by any means, but I'm not poor either. On top of that, I'm rich with love from friends and family. In that respect, I'm wealthy beyond my wildest hopes and dreams. ;)"

Try again, dolt.

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Yeap...it hurts to see him trying to act...

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Not many reviewers have touched on the skewed viewpoint the film takes, making Carr out as somewhat poisonous and Kammerer as sympathetic, when the opposite seems more true.


See, this really rubbed me the wrong way. I've read accounts of that time period before that state Lucien Carr was indeed a bit manipulative, but he's portrayed, without any sort of factual support, as this self-hating homophobe who uses people and throws them away when he's finished. Meanwhile Kammerer, the old man stalker--and that's not conjecture, that's just a fact--is portrayed sympathetically? I'm not sure why the filmmakers decided to do that, especially since given undisputed facts like how Kammerer began stalking Lucien when he was just 14-years-old, and then proceeded to follow the teenager from school to school and around the country. That's disturbing. Given that this is a film that's appealing to a younger generation, I don't think the filmmakers highlighting this would've made audiences align homosexuality with a predatory nature--maybe that's what they were afraid of?--but in the process they lost quite a could deal of what made this such a dramatic story.

"A half-finished book is, after all, a half-finished love affair."

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Glad someone else noticed this. It just doesn't feel like a well-researched film, and its stance is frankly baffling, even borderline offensive. Totally bizarre coming from an openly gay director.

On a side note, this thread has had some legs . . .

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It was definitely not a politically correct movie. Everyone was treated somewhat sympathetically - even Kammerer. I thought they did a good job of portraying the dynamic between an older lover about to be discarded by a much younger companion - that's a valid point of view for a gay director and maybe appropriate for Ginsberg who apparently always had a thing for younger men.

There was a lot of dialogue in the film which suggested that it was quite well researched without being overt and obvious about it. It seemed like they tried to imagine scenes which might have formed the basis of later poems - the relationship between Allen and his mother, the fake attempted suicide with Carr and Ginsberg. Instead of reading out those poems or showing them being written, there was an attempt to show the life experiences that formed the basis of later opinions and literature for Ginsberg. I thought that was quite clever.

On the negative side, I thought all the library sequences were overdone - from the part where Carr first shows up, and the whole heist sequence seemed unnecessary. The movie really picked up steam when they went off campus. I would have liked for them to focus more on the aftermath of the killing. It would be interesting to see how all those relationships survived the murder and how they went on in the year that followed. I'm no screen writer so I don't know if that would have worked as a film, but it left me wanting to know how you pick up the threads of those friendships and resolve them.

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See, I didn't interpret it like that at all. I felt like they definitely portrayed Krammerer as a creepy stalker. I mean, sure, you could tell he was obviously in love with Carr, but that didn't make him sympathetic in my opinion. As for the depiction of Carr, I don't feel like he was made out to be a homophobe, but more someone who was so intent on suppressing his own urges that he pushed people away. You can tell when he leaves Allen in the park. Sure, he uses Allen to write his paper, but I think he just did not know how to handle the situation. It was his fall back reaction, I guess. That's how I took it. His only frame of reference was how he interacted with Krammerer.

I felt bad for Carr, seeing as I could tell that stiffling his love for Allen was difficult on him emotionally. He also is emotionally disturbed. He says it himself. "You know me now. I'm only good at beginnings." He seemed afraid to get too close. His "charismatic" persona was a way to hide his insecurity.

I definitely think that the filmmakers took some obvious liberties, but I enjoyed it. I thought it was a good story overall.

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Would you mind explaining why Carr was insecure and why he suppressed his own urges?

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The most accurate well written review i've read on this film .

" while Radcliffe still needs a role that plays to his strengths to advance his career as a leading man." Yes the kid still can't act he's a mannequin with some personality ,he looks the part that's about it .

"Kill Your Darlings isn’t exactly bad, it’s just a bit boring and misguided, something Ginsberg could never be accused of. " Bingo ,this type of material is for someone who is experienced enough and intelligent enough to handle and understand these people and its world .Someone who just didn't fall in love with the idealism's of this material ,its shallow.

Only when society changes will the culture change "

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Radcliffe feels so vulnerable. His niche is being someone who you want to turn out out ok. Though he may never be a mainstream lead... perhaps he will cater to this. Best wishes to him.

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Daniel Radcliffe was so amazing in this, his acting was so good ! i thought he was gay for a moment. He totally saved this film

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Very perceptive, he's definitely gay.

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Very perceptive, he's definitely gay.

Aha, now I get it: you've got a secret boy crush on Daniel and you are still in the closet ... (how do I know that? Exactly, I can't be sure, because I don't know you.)

So:
Classifying someone as being gay can not be based upon an opinion; do some research please.

BTW The way you treat other participants in this discussion, renders your reviews unreliable and worthless - IMHO anyway.

I really liked Daniel Radcliffe in this movie; he did a great job.





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Homophobia isn't a concrete idea. Whether or not something is "homophobic" is simply a matter of opinion. One man may not agree with you, one man might. To pass these views off without a single nod to it being your own opinion is bigoted. "How can someone who supports homosexuality be bigoted?" Bigotry doesn't discriminate.

Before you ask, no, I do not believe in the construct of homophobia. I believe in opinions. I am against gay marriage, but you don't see me trying to get that idea pushed into every single movie in Hollywood.

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Totally agree - but surely by posting on here anyone who makes a statement is sharing what is obviously their opinion? To preface everything with 'IMO' would be pretty boring and pointless.

What fascinates me is the way homophobia varies between different groups of people - even gay people can be homophobic, which I feel the film portrayed Carr to be ('gay' - or at least bi - and repressed, and therefore somewhat 'homophobic' in his reactions to Ginsberg's advances / his own feelings).

There was an interesting documentary on UK TV the other night called Undercover Doctor: Cure Me, I'm Gay, which uncovered all sorts of horrifying treatments that used to and still do exist to treat people to overcome their homosexuality. The presenter is a famous and openly gay doctor in the UK, and some of the people he met were EX-ex-gay people who used the treatment on themselves and others. Some of the methods are mind-boggling. Check it out.

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Just gotta say love your Subject especially about the part regarding Radcliffe not being able to act yet lol

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Cheers, I actually agree with you Frozen review BTW - totally over-rated. I loved Tangled but it's pretty much the same film! Def not a bad film but lazy. http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/review/frozen-2013-film-review-by-david-graham/

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i have pretty much the same opinion as you, except I would argue that Radcliffe was good enough in The Woman in Black. I came to this film with an open mind and a decent poetry background. What disappointed me is the following:

1. The film tried to capture the vibe of Dead Poets Society (educational institution setting, rebellious students and constant references to Whitman) but it completely missed its spirit. So instead of the juicy core of Dead Poets Society where the poetry is constantly present both through the voice of the characters and as a reference. In KYD all we get is a lot of references and almost no actual poetry at all. So instead of having a film about young poets, what we essentially get is a film about young d-bags because we are not really shown their refreshing ideas and positions, but all we see is their rejection of authority, which is a shame.

2. The film is horribly biased against Lucien Carr, to the point I was left wondering is he even literate because he does not write a single line of anything in the film and its always written for him. No matter what kind of a person Carr was this is completely out of line.

3. This is essentially a frat boy drama posing as a gay intellectual art film. Just imagine Ginsberg picks up a hot chick in that bar instead of Carr-lookalike and you will get my point.

So to recap this. I learned nothing about the actual people this film has tried to portray. The color scheme makes me think that the director thinks people in the 40s lived in a black & white world and that they have never seen colour.

P.s. I also gave it 5/10.


1. I learned virtually nothing about beat poetry
2. I learned acquired virtually no authentic

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