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Much better than it's reputation might say


This movie has some great parts, but it's a smidgen too brutal at some moments (unnecessarily so). That woman getting slammed into the glass a dozen times was just in bad taste, even for a movie like this. It's just not entertaining.

A lot of dialogue is bat *beep* retarded too.
Cheesy imagery with Sheri Moon

That said:
Decent cast and visuals
I like the ending (directors cut version)
The entire opening is so, so great. Even if it's a letdown that it's a dream.

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I agree with you. As bad as this movie is for all the things you said, it had it's good points too.


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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Hahaha, you don't deserve to watch horror movies.

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Neither one of you deserve to watch horror movies. EVERYTHING wrong you listed is WHY crappie pg 13 "horror" movies are made.

Those are the only things about this that save it.

This movie sucked because of the stupid white horse crap.

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Well, I could say "you don't deserve to be allowed to post on discussion boards cause you're really sh*tty at it", but however obnoxious the poster is with their non-opinions, that's still your right to post it. See how that works??

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Exactly. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you disrespect them or their opinion. It works both ways. This by far was not a great film, let alone a great Halloween film, but to be perfectly honest, I've seen much worse, like Battlefield Earth, for example, which had little to no redeeming qualities. To be fair, I only watched this in theaters once. The others, multiple times.

So that right there says something. I try to look at the glass half full and try to find some things I like about a movie in part, if not the whole. That way it isn't a waste of time or money.

As for crappy PG-13 movies, if they didn't make money and people didn't like them, since it answers to a wider audience than R, then they wouldn't get made. So that's how that works. Majority rules and money talks. Like it or not, if there's a profit, they are here to stay.


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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Just because "you've seen worse" doesn't take away from how terrible this is.
And yes, to hell with the sensitive snowflakes that cant take a response. If you claim this PoS movie is good, then plain and simple you have *beep* taste.

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As bad as most of the sequels are(And I mean that respectfully so as a huge fan of the Series), I think all have SOME redeemable qualities in one form or another. With H2, I think a couple things were/became obvious...

1. Zombie is obviously alot more comfortable when using the 1.85 Aspect Ratio. I didn't think he employed the 2.35 well at all. Those great panoramic shots that Carpenter and Cundey utilized just aren't in Zombie's skill set. Zombie prefers to jam as much in his frame as possible. I love 2.35 but it's just not for every director, especially in the genre.

2. Zombie loves his brutality and force to overwhelm the viewer. It works great on the Big Screen(Devils Rejects was quite a Cinematic experience) and if he made anything clear in H2, it was that he wasn't gonna conform in any way possible. It was now HIS show. He didn't really have to live up to the hype of anything but his own version at this point. Expectations were lower IMO. So he went all out...

Neither of those made this a Great Film. I find it average but definitely watchable...But I can honestly say that it was FILMED better than his first Halloween. He was in a comfort zone that I think he obviously didn't have before. The film has plenty of drawbacks though. That's for sure. It's just a weird film.

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I agree. Halloween for Zombie was a lot of pressure. He had to keep the studio, the fans, happy which isn't easy while doing what he knows best, as seen in his previous films. It was an unenviable position. Try topping Carpenter's classic? Good luck. The second it felt like he no longer gave a damn, being forced into it in the first place (ironically, Carpenter felt the same way about his 2) and just let go of all studio and fan expectations and made Devil's Rejects 2 in the Halloween universe. Honestly all my favorite scenes were with Angela Trimbur. Though not the best actress, I was kinda crushing on her a lot at the time.

I do like Howard Heseman though, WKRP, Head of the Class, he's a pretty cool dude. So some of the casting benefited me. It's a weird film is probably *the* best way to describe it. Hats off to you on that. Like nothing we've seen before and hopefully never again.

You have a good head on your shoulders and make valid points. I appreciate and respect that.


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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Exactly... With Halloween 4 and 5 (And 6 to a lesser extent), people weren't exactly looking for a "Retro" Film, so the whole aesthetic of Halloween 1-2 wasn't necessary for success, critically OR commercially (Which is obviously the End Game for any studio/producer)... But after 'Scream' came out, it was clear that a "Self-aware" version was due to be released. H2O did a pretty good job of that. It was too short and didn't have the feel of any of the earlier films BUT with JLC back and an accomplished Genre Director in Steve Miner, it was definitely a step in the right direction... Would've loved to see Carpenter take the offer for that but his frustration with Akkad was still high and I can't say I blame him, although I see both sides. $10mil was never gonna happen lol... Anyways, back to the point, I think the success of those "Retro" Horror Films that came in the Mid-2000's and with the disappointment 'Resurrection' was to most fans, Akkad and Co weren't gonna repeat that. So they grabbed one of the hottest Directors and gave him the Green Light. The results were good, not great but in the end, it was a Financial Win and pleased a great deal of the fans. People wanted Halloween-1978 again and while Zombie wasn't FULLY capable of getting that done, he did his best(Which was admirable) but as you noted, pulling off what Carpenter/Cundey did... Good Luck with that lol. After his problems with the 2.35, he went right back to what he does well and I think it was much better than it gets credit for. It feels more like a Rob Zombie film. It's not the World that Carpenter created and Rosenthal helped continue(Then destroy in 2002!) but it atleast knows what it wants to be... If that makes sense? It's 100% Zombie and that's ok. Better than trying and failing to be someone or something else.

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Oh... And one last thing, after all I said, I still don't think it's anything other than an average film. Better than expected but so far from 'Halloween' that it's still a disappointment in that respect. I'd just rather Zombie do what he's comfortable with rather than do a rehash of a legend. He's not JC and that's just the truth of the matter. If one thing is clear in Cinema, it's that Directors are best when in full control and comfort zones. From Halloween 1-2, The Thing, The Fog, Escape From NY, They Live etc... Carpenter succeeded because he told different stories but made sure they shared that style he more or less created. All are beautifully filmed, whether the budget was small or large, you knew it was a JC picture. In that span from 1978-1988 or so, it's one of the best runs of any filmmaker I could name.

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Yes. It' certainly no "fun" movie. It's bleak and dark, but way better than the first one.

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