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As a therapist in training, I'm appalled by this movie


I am going to preface this post with the information that I am in my third year in a clinical psychology doctoral program. This translates to I am one year above where the therapist in this film is in her training. I cannot express how appalled I was watching this movie with any scene that displayed the horrific and entirely unethical psychotherapy delivered to this suffering patient. I believe it would have been a much stronger film had the therapist actually been portrayed appropriately. Without saying it, I think it’s obvious that her level of unethical practice is ten times worse than what actually happens in real-life therapeutic situations. First off, WE DO NOT DATE/SLEEP WITH OUR PATIENTS!!! I cannot reiterate this fact enough times and just to prove it without going on a massive tangent here is the exact ethical code that states this obvious fact:

10.05 Sexual Intimacies with Current Therapy Clients/Patients
Psychologists do not engage in sexual intimacies with current therapy clients/patients.

10.06 Sexual Intimacies with Relatives or Significant Others of Current Therapy Clients/Patients
Psychologists do not engage in sexual intimacies with individuals they know to be close relatives, guardians, or significant others of current clients/patients. Psychologists do not terminate therapy to circumvent this standard.

In addition, WE DO NOT TOUCH OUR PATIENTS WITHOUT EXPRESS PERMISSION!!! He even noted how uncomfortable it was for her to be touching him throughout treatment and got legitimately irritated at her for it. Furthermore, as part of realistic psychotherapy practices we do not provide our patients with any additional services (i.e., we don’t give them rides home).

As part of our training to be psychologists we are taught to uphold the highest standard of practice and that includes informed consent. For example, during their first meeting she just goes straight into the appointment and does not even provide the patient with the limits of confidentiality (e.g., intent to harm self or others, suspected child or elderly abuse). She, once again, violates an ethical standard. Furthermore, her statement that what does on in the therapy room will be used in dissertation violates the informed consent to research code which is similar to the one presented below:

10.01 Informed Consent to Therapy
(a) When obtaining informed consent to therapy as required in Standard 3.10, Informed Consent, psychologists inform clients/patients as early as is feasible in the therapeutic relationship about the nature and anticipated course of therapy, fees, involvement of third parties and limits of confidentiality and provide sufficient opportunity for the client/patient to ask questions and receive answers. (See also Standards 4.02, Discussing the Limits of Confidentiality, and 6.04, Fees and Financial Arrangements.)

(b) When obtaining informed consent for treatment for which generally recognized techniques and procedures have not been established, psychologists inform their clients/patients of the developing nature of the treatment, the potential risks involved, alternative treatments that may be available and the voluntary nature of their participation. (See also Standards 2.01e, Boundaries of Competence, and 3.10, Informed Consent.)

(c) When the therapist is a trainee and the legal responsibility for the treatment provided resides with the supervisor, the client/patient, as part of the informed consent procedure, is informed that the therapist is in training and is being supervised and is given the name of the supervisor.

I will give her one point that in the beginning of their appointment when he asks how the other patients she has seen are doing she refuses to answer (good for her!). Also, when he is guessing how many patients she has seen she does agree to tell him, which is part of our transparency of training obligation we have to our patients. It is their right to know the level of care they are receiving. However, despite her momentary reflections of reality, the list of violations continues.

During their first appointment, he calls her doctor even though she still is in her training and goes on to explain that the hospital is a training facility. Given her level of inexperience, it is likely that this placement is her first practicum or clinicals as other professions call it. Part of training in the mental health field is learning how to be transparent with our patients, particularly when it comes to our level of training and where we are in the program. She is still under training and it is required that she tell him this and what it means about his treatment (i.e., she is receiving supervision on her cases). Despite the fact that he continues to call her doctor, which he as the patient has every right to do, she does not attempt to deter him from doing this. If she is portraying herself as a doctor, which is the vibe I received when watching the film, she is again violating an ethical code:

5.01 Avoidance of False or Deceptive Statements
(a) Public statements include but are not limited to paid or unpaid advertising, product endorsements, grant applications, licensing applications, other credentialing applications, brochures, printed matter, directory listings, personal resumes or curricula vitae or comments for use in media such as print or electronic transmission, statements in legal proceedings, lectures and public oral presentations and published materials. Psychologists do not knowingly make public statements that are false, deceptive or fraudulent concerning their research, practice or other work activities or those of persons or organizations with which they are affiliated.

(b) Psychologists do not make false, deceptive or fraudulent statements concerning (1) their training, experience or competence; (2) their academic degrees; (3) their credentials; (4) their institutional or association affiliations; (5) their services; (6) the scientific or clinical basis for or results or degree of success of, their services; (7) their fees; or (8) their publications or research findings.

(c) Psychologists claim degrees as credentials for their health services only if those degrees (1) were earned from a regionally accredited educational institution or (2) were the basis for psychology licensure by the state in which they practice.

One of my biggest complaints, aside from the obvious ethical violations, is how the therapist portrayed herself in the therapy room. She presents herself as fearful, nervous, excessively talkative, inexperienced, and unprepared. Part of clinical training prior to practicum place is all about engaging in behaviors that are best for the patient. This particular individual was not interested in being lectured to or having words put into his mouth (e.g., you must be angry right now). Her incessant need to dominate the therapy room and tell him how he is supposed to be feeling portrays therapists and know-it-alls who lack the appropriate social skills to work with individuals who are going through some of life’s biggest challenges. She presents herself as awkward and unknowing in a lot of the situations. Just as a side note, who seriously doesn’t know who Doogie Howser is? I am 23, younger than this portrayed therapist, and I know who he is and not just as Barney Stinson. At that point in my training, which was just one year ago, I was nervous to finally be seeing patients because it is a stressful situation, but we are also under constant supervision and do not have the opportunity to make such egregious ethical errors.

Another technicality that I cannot get over is her lack of theoretical orientation. During the first appointment she has him engage in relaxation training, but I cannot see any orientation motivated choice for doing this. Not to mention, during ALL first appointments therapists are trying to establish a relationship with the patient and just learn their history. This therapist, and I use the term so loosely, just goes into the role that she has something to give him and makes him do something that SHE thinks will make him feel better. Nowhere in any of their appointments did I observe any rapport building or any actual listening to Adam’s complaints. THIS ISN’T HOW WE DO IT!!!

Even though she does make some obvious ethical errors, there are areas within the field that still have some gray area. When she gives him her personal phone number and stresses that it should be used for emergencies and he uses it as such, this is more reflective of how certain patient/therapist relationships are, especially for someone in his situation. Additionally, her presence in the waiting room with his family is not entirely unheard of in surgical-type settings. However, she should have kept her mouth shut when they said they were Adam’s family because that automatically crosses the clinical boundaries without proper disclosure forms.

Overall, this individual is a poor and unethical portrayal of therapists and as a therapist in training I am personally and professionally insulted. We try above all other things, including above our own care, to ensure that our patients are receiving the highest standard of care and to ensure ethical practices. I hope no one takes this portrayal seriously because it would be a shame for someone to not seek out mental health treatment just based upon this horrible depiction of care.

For additional information into ethical standards and mental health care please visit the APA’s website: http://www.apa.org/index.aspx

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This is not HBO Drama, this is feel-good movie with appropriate story.
No need to be serious and medical authentic.

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Hear hear, toh!

Mel. It's a MOVIE.

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I understand the OP's concerns - Hollywood keeps doing this and people DO get the idea it happens a lot. It's just a movie... but it does go into people's heads. She should have been reporting EVERYTHING to her supervisor. This is the worst therapist I've ever seen... and I've seen some pretty awful ones in therapy.



You know what they say... no one with missing teeth wears an Armani suit.

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Personally i would take anna kendrick as my therapist any day. Also to the people in this chat that are supposedly therapists and that think she is very unprofessional in this film by touching the patient, and dating him this is a movie! Another thing is that if I needed to go see a therapist this is exactly what i would want it to be like. The awkwardness makes it a little funny and would help relax me. i would have no problem with someone touching my arm and if they can debate why they do that then all the power too them. Finally he was her patient because he had cancer. Well at the end he beat cancer so he no longer needed her services. She played a vital role in helping him and there should be nothing wrong with them dating afterwards.

That is all

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Yeah, it's all "cute" and all. But what if the relationship fails afterward? You're dying of cancer, and your relationship with your former therapist fails miserably. How's that for "cute"? The code of ethics are there for a reason.

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Doesn't matter if it's a feel-good movie or not, it should have realistic parts in it. With the film portraying a character with cancer, his therapist to me I felt was really unprofessional and unrealistic. Obvious love interest.



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He was her first patient, so it is plausible that she was unprofessional.
They showed that she tried to be, but failed.
Good enough for a movie, i think.

Do you imply that every newbie therapist in America does not get emotionally involved?
That it does not EVER happened in real life?

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He was actually her third patient, but I agree with you that there surely has been at least one therapist in the history of the world who has overstepped their boundaries and/or ethical codes.

Just because a set of rules and regulations exists, doesn't mean everyone will follow them all the time; otherwise we wouldn't have teacher-student affairs in the news.

I get what the OP is saying, that it would be nice if this relationship between the two of them had been depicted a little more realistically -- I personally wish she hadn't even been the therapist, but rather a nurse or some other such aide that would have had a more organic and natural interaction with him -- but I think it worked for what the end result was supposed to be. And I'm willing to believe that because they were so close in age, Katherine let her guard down much more than she would have with her other patients, and that's what led to some of her questionable behavior, with regards to the therapists' code.

"When you look annoyed all the time, people think that you're busy."

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there surely has been at least one therapist in the history of the world

One quite obvious one is Carl Jung!
I found the relationship unrealistic but, yes, it worked well enough in the context of this movie :)

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Do you imply that every newbie therapist in America does not get emotionally involved?
That it does not EVER happened in real life?


OF COURSE you get emotionally involved with some of your patients (to different degrees). But that doesn't mean that you can violate the code of ethics (between therapists and clients) and cross every professional boundary!!

I'm a clinical social worker, who specializes in adult psychotherapy, and while of course I agree with a lot of what the OP is says, he/she is taking it a little too seriously for a movie - of course writers are going to take creative liberties (though sleeping with a patient should just never even be alluded to or suggested as being even 'a little' ok - some people really don't know much about what happens in therapy, and learn from TV/movies. Also, you guys need to understand that the OP is currently IN training, so these things are all fresh on the mind, and that's actually a good thing for his/her present/future patients!!

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They form their relationship AFTER there therapy sessions, we don't even know that she still was a therapist at that point.

Joseph Chastainme
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Nods.

I wonder if there's a movie somewhere about a teacher having an affair with a student and a teacher posts on IMDB to say how unrealistic it is because a teacher would never do that.

Well of course they shouldn't. But it does happen.

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FIRST. She did not date him until his cancer was in remission(or cured). At the point she accepted a date from him she probably referred him to another therapist.In the context of the movie at no time did she sleep with him. My hope is that they would end up in a lifetime relationship,but in the duties of her job,she did nothing wrong,she just wasn't very good at it yet.We saw maybe 2% of what would have actually happened in the therapists office.I find your premise to be way off the mark.

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Apparently Therapists dont have much homework lol. Simmer down! I think everyone knows its a movie.

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"Simmer down!"

Haha thank you. I was interested to read the post but when I saw the length I was like oh heck no. Who has the time to write this crap?

I watch way too much television

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"Apparently Therapists dont have much homework lol."

fantastic

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10.05 and 10.06 mentions sexual intimacy with CURRENT patients. When she came to his house after he was up and about, his therapy was probably over.

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ALL the ethical standards (counselors, social workers, psychologists) also have clauses that relationships with FORMER patients must be avoided for years after the therapeutic relationship has ended. The number of years depends on the profession. Even after that number of years, it is still discouraged.

The OP is absolutely right in all the ways this person was unethical. And the character being in training does not make it more believable or something to just shrug off. Nor does the fact that it's a movie.

You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi

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Joe - two years. That's the law. You have to be terminated for six months. And most of us feel like that isn't enough - it should be forever.

I know the OP's post is long... but we're so weary of seeing sooooo many films showing these terrible shrinks. Would like to see a good one - the film, "Ordinary People" had a great shrink. But it seems most shrinks in film are awful.




You know what they say... no one with missing teeth wears an Armani suit.

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I'm afraid most shrinks IRL is pretty terrible, too. Not for reasons portrayed in the film, but because it is a nearly impossible job. For most therapists the longer they do the job the worse it gets.

The key to all therapy is that the patient must do the changing, and for that to happen the patient has to want to change. Almost everyone goes into therapy wanting a sympathetic ear and hoping to learn how to make everyone around them change without making any meaningful changes themselves. The first part of therapy is to develop a rapport between the therapist and the patient. Typically that involves letting the patient blame everyone else in their lives for their problems. The second part is to figure out the root of the patient's problems (the sympathetic ear comes in to play here). The third part is to help the patient recognize changes they need to make to get different results in their lives. That's where most people leave therapy; they much prefer blaming everyone else for their problems.

Being a therapist is very tough; very few can do it well or for long.

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Sheesh, chill out. It's not a documentary, it's a comedy (sort of). I would tell you to stop over analyzing everything, but I guess that's what you guys do.

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I agree. It's a Goddamn movie. Nobody with a brain is going to take a movie and believe take it as fact...well at least most people that actually think won't.

How often do we watch a comedy, a romance movie, horror movie, or even a drama for that matter and take everything that is done in the movie is completely true. We live in the real world and we know what real life is like. Movies are just fiction and that's how we should treat them.

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It's a comedy. She's not supposed to be realistic. Neither is the incredibly insensitive doctor who has no concept of bedside manner. No doctor would ever hear a question like, "But I'm going to be okay...?" and then respond,"If you need someone to talk to, we have people available..."

However, I have had health care professionals touch me without permission plenty of times. I know that is forbidden. I saw a hypnotherapist who was a minister so that he could touch people. Cuz I guess it falls under faith healing and the laying of hands on people. I think a lot of people who are mental health professionals, etc don't care about that rule so much. There really aren't too many patients who would get pissed off over it.

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I'll have to disagree with you that real doctors aren't so insensitive. I have first hand experience with a young Ben Carson. He wrote the book "Gifted Hands" about himself and his experiences as a surgeon. If the title that he gave his book doesn't give you a clue, he was a pompous a$$ when I met him in '84. Talked about drilling holes in my son's head, filming the surgery and writing a paper on it because neither he nor his friend, the oncologist (whom he'd called from another floor in his excitement to share the diagnosis), had ever seen such a rare form of cancer and that there weren't any statistics on anyone having had this particular type of brain tumor and survived to talk about it.

This was with me, the mother of the four year old, sitting right there while they blithely discussed what a career making opportunity it would be for them to operate on my "zero survival rate" son. And the great publications they'd get out of it. You know, make names for themselves?

When I told him that I was going to see a different doctor, Carson proceeded to tell me that my doctor was "too old" and hadn't "kept up on the latest advancements in cancer research". My doctor was 56 years old at the time. I left and never looked back.

I understand that Carson later had cancer himself and of course he wrote a book about that too. Either way, he was definitely lacking in the social graces necessary to even pretend that he cared what happened to anyone or anything other than his career. Hopefully getting cancer himself gave him some humility but I doubt it. People still tell me how great he is but I guess I have some hard feelings about him for some unknown reason.

Oh, and as far as the doctor just responding that they had health professionals that Adam could talk to about his cancer? Yeah, been there, heard that. I found the entire doctor visit realistic and it brought back some very sad memories for me.

Back to JGL's doctor speaking into a recorder instead of talking to his patient. I've had that experience myself and it's very demoralizing to realize that the doctor could care less if you understood what was going on or not. Or that they were dealing with someone in a thoughtless manner. Specialists, you know? "Gifted Hands"? A lot of times you have to take that kind of personality flaw in a doctor in exchange for their brilliance - hopefully - as a surgeon. But I have to say, I'd take a terrific surgeon seriously lacking in emotion to a highly sociable surgeon who couldn't cut their way out of a wet paper bag.

Also, and someone else has probably already pointed this out but, it's a semi-autobiographical story so I suspect that the writer actually did have that experience.

Sometimes real life is crappier than fiction.

prtfvr

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Yeah there are plenty of doctors without the faintest clue of bedside manner, although this doctor was a bit of a hyperbole. But I would perhaps prefer a doctor like that, because if a doctor gets so far in his career in spite of their lack of bedside manner, they must be good in their field.

However I would feel completely different if I were seeking treatment for one of my children.

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Thank you for the great post.

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As a Toyota Prius, I'm appalled by this movie.

We take pride in the fact that we save the environment, yet the cheating girlfriend drove me. I did not like that. I'm going to write a very scathing letter to the director and voice my displeasure.

I think it's completely unethical that I was driven by a cheater. Now it makes us look bad where only cheaters go out and buy us. I do not approve of the way how we were portrayed.

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BEST. REPLY. EVER.

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The OP must really hate Animal House. Real life college fraternities would never be like that. You know codes and all.

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HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA

"I am invincible!" -Boris Grishenko, Goldeneye

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That's some funny stuff right there!

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I think you're a tight wad, who wrote a *beep* load of information that about .001 % will read, and took a beautiful struggle with cancer to entirely serious. It wasn't about the woman. I'm just about to get my teaching certificate and if I got offended by how teachers were played, i'd never be able to watch another movie again.

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and took a beautiful struggle with cancer to entirely serious

I think you forgot to finish that sentence. But yeah, I agree that 50/50 was not a serious movie. Though I'm not sure how a struggle with cancer could be described as "beautiful".

I'm just about to get my teaching certificate and if I got offended by how teachers were played, i'd never be able to watch another movie again.

1) That's a overstatement. Many many movies do not depict teaching at all.
2) Pointing out that teachers in movies are unrealistic has been done before many MANY times. However, therapists have not (to my knowledge) generally been given the same scrutiny.

I thought the OP was really interesting. Though considering the low calibre of the movie under discussion, probably not worth taking too seriously...

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What? That's completely irrational. You can't just void out someone's perfectly valid opinion by saying that their opinion has been stated before. "Teaching...? ...Yeah, well, THAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE, and um, y'know, therapy HASN'T. So that makes it DIFFERENT."
No, it doesn't. Professionals are portrayed inaccurately very often. No, not every single movie - God forbid someone use a hyperbole - but it happens pretty often.

1. Look at Scrubs or House: They portray doctors and medical students (not unlike the therapist-in-training in this movie) as being foolish, immature, and unprofessional. But the audience doesn't complain because they don't have their heads up three feet up their butts.
2. Or what about The Squid and the Whale? A college professor engages in a sexual relationship with one of his favorite students. Oh darn, I guess I can't use this example since it involves teachers. Hrm.
3. Look at The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo: It portrays a social worker to be a pervert, harassing the titular character sexually. And then, later in the series, the girl's psychiatrist (I believe) abused her as well in other ways.
4. The Wackness portrays a teenaged drug dealer selling to his therapist and smoking weed with him.

There are hundreds of examples like this. Point being, you can't just void out someone's opinion like that because its comparison hasn't been pointed out. And therapists haven't been given the same scrutiny because most people are realistic enough to know that films are *unrealistic.*
Perhaps the reason people bring up unrealistic teaching movies is because it's simply more relative to the general population than therapy is.

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You can't just void out someone's perfectly valid opinion by saying that their opinion has been stated before. "Teaching...? ...Yeah, well, THAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE, and um, y'know, therapy HASN'T. So that makes it DIFFERENT."

I think you misunderstand my reasoning here.

It is absolutely true that teaching is portrayed badly in movies. Appallingly badly. Over and over and over again. But this has become somewhat of a cliche. Someone bringing it up would just be preaching to the choir, so in that case it would seem fair to say "we KNOW! Movies can't depict teaching properly! You are just going to have to accept it!"

However, in the case of therapy it isn't a big cliche in the same way. Therapy is not depicted so often, particularly not with the therapist deciding to become the protagonist's girlfriend. People might well suspect that this is unorthodox behaviour, but the extent to which it is unacceptable in the profession may be unknown. From the way the movie depicted therapy, it seemed like touching a patients hand even though it may upset them was a legitimate part of therapy, so that particular point in the OP was especially enlightening. It's not the sort of thing you normally hear about, so I appreciated the OP explaining it.

But the audience doesn't complain because they don't have their heads up three feet up their butts.

I think it's wrong to think of the OP as "complaining". As a member of the profession, they are personally rather annoyed with this depiction of therapists and they have good sensible reasons why. If you are not interested, you could ignore what they've written and stop complaining - presuming you don't have your head up your butt...

It portrays a social worker to be a pervert, harassing the titular character sexually.

The social worker in GWTDT is fully recognised as acting unethically in that scenario. In 50/50 the behaviour in question is portrayed as if it were typical and acceptable to the profession. The therapist isn't seen as risking her job by starting a relationship with a patient or as unprofessional when unapologetically invading his personal space.

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Ah, okay. I understand your point now.

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Ironically, I happened to rewatch this movie and went back to this thread without remembering my previous comments, and I agreed 1000% with your and the OP's post, haha. I guess I just needed to grow up a bit.

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Hooooly *beep* it's a movie

OOOoooOOO THAT'S A BINGO!

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