is ther a scene in the end wher the husband is shown as holding his dead wife or beatin his wife ? or was that gomez killing..another viewing will clear tht ?
was thinkin if it was a possibility tht huband realised his wife waas unfaithful ? (if at all) as the door was not damaged when t killer entered..
if husband did kill he would still want to punish the guy who was havin affair with his wife....
Think the totem is still spinning..
reading other threads get a view that the scene where morales is beating up his wife is imagined in the end by ben (bef he re enters )morales house ? was it just a guess by him ...then its fine like his many guesses.....but his other guesses were right abt killer in photo, may be pablo photo turning and sacrifice ? train scene running hastings ?..
anywys amazing movie but i hope this scene was his imagination only and not tru as t husband really could not hv killed his wife fr betrayal...
Think the totem is still spinning..
There was a shot of Gomez carrying the wife (against her will) toward the room where he would rape and murder her. It is quick and some have wondered whether it was Gomez or the husband, but two things: the man is wearing a shirt like we have seen Gomez wearing, and someone once posted a link to a photo of that shot, and it is clearly Gomez.
The wife was not unfaithful. She did not cheat on her husband with Gomez. She let him in to their home because she knew him, that's all. He in turn raped and murdered her.
You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi
I was having the same questions. I watched it just now, pausing at the scenes that it looked like his Morales was attacking his wife but then I saw it was really Gomez.
shareTo me it's just a flashback of the moment Esposito suggests him that the death penalty could make things even for him. The scene looks the same as when Morales says "Retribución" a couple of seconds later.
shareI also think the same at the first time, Morales kill her because he think she's unfaithful. Gomez just rape her but Morales who kill Liliana.. I thought the movie will not as simple as that, more complicated and plot twist; not only husband and other guy, but there's unexpected person who actually kill the girl.
But the reason I'm accusing Morales (the husband) for killing the girl because when the police told him that his wife is dead, he's so calm, not shock or very sad, not even worried to see his dead wife; if he really love his wife then why after the incident his life seems pretty normal, he seems like didn't care because there's no sadness or grieving or anger with his revenge?... but maybe that's the actor who play Morales is suck and can't really act!!
I thought it was pretty obvious Morales was in shock.
shareI thought it was pretty obvious Morales was in shock.
I did, too.
You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi
Firstly let me say I thoroughly enjoyed this film , the first argentinian film i have watched, the humour was outstanding and the frankness and openness was a refreshing change from the usual coyness meted out to us from the americans and british.
But there was a bit of confusion in the end as to who was the murderer morales or Gomez and also the scene where morales shot gomez 4 times in the boot of his car only to reappear presumably in morales makeshift prison and there was the guys who mistakenly shot pablo salvadori , who were they if they were hired assassins who paid them ?
But there was a bit of confusion in the end as to who was the murderer morales or Gomez
No, if you read this thread, there is a scene that clearly shows that Gomez was the murderer. Morales loved his wife and was devastated by her death, he did not kill her!
and also the scene where morales shot gomez 4 times in the boot of his car only to reappear presumably in morales makeshift prison
The scene where Morales shoots Gomez never happened. It is what he TELLS Benjamin he did. Then, recall, they show Benjamin thinking things through and he figures out that Morales did not shoot Gomez. Just one example, he remembers Morales saying that he didn't want Gomez to get the death penalty, because his suffering would be over quickly.
So Benjamin goes back and finds his suspicions confirmed: that Morales, rather than killing Gomez, has kept him in complete solitary confinement for the past 25 years.
and there was the guys who mistakenly shot pablo salvadori , who were they if they were hired assassins who paid them ?
There is no confusion about this either. They were hired by Gomez. We see Gomez take them there and they check the listing in the lobby so they know which unit is Benjamin's. Then Gomez leaves to do other things, which is the point when Morales grabs him. That part of Morales' story was true -- he staked out Benjamin's building because he knew Gomez would eventually show up.
You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi
no, they were not hired by Isidoro Gomez!!! The men who go to Esposito's house to kill him, but find a drunken Pablo Sandoval, instead, were men who worked for the other judicial officer Romano, the one who had a grudge with Esposito for years. He directed them to kill Esposito.
Morales sees Gomez as security guard for the president Estela Peron on tv. He is shocked to see him as a free man, and tells Esposito about this. So Irene and Esposito visit Romano at his office to ask him why he released and hired Morales when he was accused and charged of murder. Romano insults Esposito. Then we have the creepy elevetor scene.
This is a movie set in time of the dictatorship where people disappeared everyday. There were lots of police officers and judges and people in the power involved in the disappearances. That's why the thugs go to Esposito's house, to make him disappear, they were not employed by Gomez, but by Romano who sent them because he was fed up with Esposito for years. Then, Esposito runs off to Jujuy, a very distant province, so that he cannot be found by Romano.
no, they were not hired by Isidoro Gomez!!! The men who go to Esposito's house to kill him, but find a drunken Pablo Sandoval, instead, were men who worked for the other judicial officer Romano, the one who had a grudge with Esposito for years. He directed them to kill Esposito.
What country are you from? (only for curiosity)
Isidoro Gómez raped and killed the girl.
Ricardo Morales told to Benjamin that he killed Isidoro only to let Benjamin leave the obsession with the case.
Exactly!im kinda surprised how anyone can be confused by this film,everything is explained and nothing is ambiguous.I guess some people just can't read and watch at the same time
"Exactly!im kinda surprised how anyone can be confused by this film,everything is explained and nothing is ambiguous.I guess some people just can't read and watch at the same time"
Maybe yes, LOL... but I must say that the flash back scene sometimes can be a mess... you know, Ricardo and Isidoro almost same hair cute and things like this.
True,but there is no indication whatsoever that Ricardo would have murdered his wife.A major theme of the film is all consuming love and not being able to let go,if there was some kind of twist it would totally go against the theme/message.
I think nowadays people are so used to seeing every second film having a "twist" or shock ending that their brains are looking for an alternative ending/other meaning no matter how ridiculous it seems
"True,but there is no indication whatsoever that Ricardo would have murdered his wife.A major theme of the film is all consuming love and not being able to let go,if there was some kind of twist it would totally go against the theme/message.
I think nowadays people are so used to seeing every second film having a "twist" or shock ending that their brains are looking for an alternative ending/other meaning no matter how ridiculous it seems "
I'm agree with you. Also one of the main subjects of the movie was the internal fight for a really simple thing, open your feelings to the one you love. Just a fantastic movie.
I really like too the closed-open doors... you know, talk about something personal or not...
What about the scene where he couldn't hold back his tears during the phone conversation? And he was alone in the room. There is no need for over-the-top acting to express grief.
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"is ther a scene in the end wher the husband is shown as holding his dead wife or beatin his wife ? or was that gomez killing..another viewing will clear tht ? "
It was Isidoro Gómez killing the woman but on the imagination of Benjamín Esposito. Remember Benjamin saw the crime scene and also read the full report.