So he got 3 cops killed - Defendor (2010) Discussion

[–] turtleh 15 years ago

Well how I see it is the two cops in the stakeout van would probably have been noticed eventually, if not already.

The death of the undercover cop with the MP5k is sad.

But they died for the greater good as Defendor's meddling ensure that the bad guys got what's coming to them, if it was all done by the books who's to say that they might've gotten away.

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[–] Jebus_Saves 15 years ago

They had them on tape and the undercover was privy to all of the information. They had the bad guys dead to rights before jackass intervened and got them all killed.

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[–] abs-ghosh 15 years ago

if Jack did not intervene there are chances of getting the undercover investigation done smoothly would have been a possibility. Perhaps there was a likely event that the undercover agent would be caught and the taps in the van would still be taken out but Defendor's actions speeds up the process and solidifies the agent and his team's death. So yeah no way to sugar coat it, Defendor screwed up and that's one of the main things about the movie I like. He is not at all perfect so no Christian Bale style saving everybody in a room in seconds to a massive shootout.

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[–] m-h-m-79 15 years ago

Yeah, let's not forget Dooney was an undercover cop as well. I don't see anyone shedding tears because he got shot in the balls. Cops do their jobs knowing full well the risks involved. If the cop with the MP5 hadn't sprayed Defendor with simunition he would never had been discovered. Simple as.

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[–] Sekraan 15 years ago

If Defendor hadn't been interfering in the first place the cop wouldn't have had to spray him with training rounds and wouldn't have been discovered.

Dooney was an undercover but I don't think he was working that case, he was a dirty cop trying to tip off the criminals to the investigation, which is why he was prying into it earlier in the film.

Cops know the risks involved, yes, but I don't see how that counters the contention of the OP in any way. Defendor's meddling got them killed. Their knowing the risks doesn't change this.

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[–] m-h-m-79 15 years ago

Well, using this line of reasoning you could easily say that it was Kat that got those cops killed. Wasn't it Kat that told Arthur that Kristic was "Captain Industry"? If it weren't for her, Arthur would have never known who Kristic was, he would never have gone after him, would have never been shot by a foolish undercover cop who loaded his gun with police issue simulated ammunition and then shot someone with it. Correct?

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[–] Jebus_Saves 15 years ago

Kat isn't held out as a hero in the story, Defendor is, even though all he did was manage to help complete an investigation that wouldn't have needed help if he didn't mess it up to begin with... and get three cops killed.

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[–] pavlic 15 years ago

NOT!

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[–] king_of_bob 15 years ago

"Dooney was an undercover but I don't think he was working that case, he was a dirty cop trying to tip off the criminals to the investigation, which is why he was prying into it earlier in the film."

IA was investigating Dooney and his bikers.

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[–] baz1779 15 years ago

Agreed, but did he intentionally do that?

No and he was only standing up for what was right which is what any of us would do.

But it did stay on mind for the rest of the film and he did not show any remorse for his actions but of course, he did have mental problems which is what saved it for me. He was mentally incapable of seeing the consequences of his actions, which gave his actions a more innocent quality.

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[–] rdean150 15 years ago

Also, while it does seem pretty clear that he was somewhat responsible for the deaths of those officers, it still seems that he was largely responsible for the arrests of those criminals. I mean, if the cops were privy to all of the same information that he was, if not more, then why weren't they already on top of that bust? They should have been waiting, ready to catch them in the act during that shipment. Unless they were willing to let a huge shipment of guns and illegal immigrant prostitutes hit the streets of their town, just to wait for some other, 'better' moment to bust them.

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[–] Jebus_Saves 15 years ago

Because they killed the cops who knew about it and got the van with the recordings of what was going down.

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[–] grgurmg 15 years ago

Just to respond to some of the previous observations...

A. Yes, Defendor screwed up in a sense and it ultimately got several cops killed. That being said, Defendor had no way of realizing the actual scenario and, as someone mentioned on another thread, I think those cops should of realized there cover was in jeopardy and bailed. I'm not faulting them for doing their jobs, but I think they made some bad judgement calls as well. If anything, what where the cops in the van doing just sitting there once the man inside was shot? No only didn't they have the sense to get the hell out of there, but they didn't realize someone was walking up to the van with a gun? I think in that context, the guys in the van were a bit bumbling... but as someone said the death of the undercovery guy was quite unfortunate.. he seems cool.

B. In terms of Defendor not feeling guilty for their deaths or lacking the capacity for doing so... I'm a little iffy on whether he was fully told what happened. It was merely told to him in one scene that "because of you some people got hurt"... but no details provided. Granted I only saw the movie once so far.. so maybe I missed some further detail.. but they may of wanted to keep the whole thing underwraps a bit, until they intercepted the shipment.

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[–] hadmatter 15 years ago

Yeah, in terms of what we saw on screen, Arthur was never made aware of what happened with the undercover cops. He wasn't remorseless, he just didn't know! If he had been told what happened, he would have known not only that three cops died at least partly because of his actions, but also that the undercover was caught because he shot Arthur with fake bullets.

Plus, those cops should have been more careful. Dooney knew there was a sting going down, which means everybody else probably did too. Even if they didn't know for sure who the undercover cop was, they did know that there was one.
Dooney's captain should have told the cops on the case that their inside man was in danger of being compromised.

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[–] eh_you 15 years ago

So why is no one on this thread mentioning the fact that it was Dooney who shot the two guys in the van, and it was Dooney who told the boss that the guy in the house was a cop. It wasn't Defendor who got the cops killed, it was Dooney if it was anyone.

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[–] Jebus_Saves 15 years ago

Dooney was a bad guy. Defendor was held up as some sort of hero... when without his actions the police likely would have lived and busted Dooney and the others without incident.

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[–] synthtrance 15 years ago

I prefer to see this is a commentary on why people shouldn't be so quick to jump to vigilante acts in reality. There are consequences to every action and the public was only made aware of the good that resulted from Defendor's actions.

Whether the police decide to reveal the truth to public or even if they should is a question not answered and possibily open to debate.

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[–] Pete975 15 years ago

I suppose if this was a superhero film or a comedy that might have been a problem.

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[–] JazukaiX 15 years ago

I believe the underlying point of this film is, as usual with vigilantism, to highlight that the police are doing it wrong.

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[–] Edren 14 years ago

that would have taken the bad guy down anyhow if not for him interfering

You have completley missed the point of the 'movie'.

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