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Aldrich Killian is not "The Mandarin". Get over it, ZoomTheFlash!

posted 8 years ago by mh-newressistance
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I know you're triggered by the fact that I'm a true, hardcore, uber-knowledgable Shell-Head fan who knows all about his comics, who doesn't like Iron Man sequels, but face the truth: I can prove it as a fact that Aldrich Killian wasn't the Mandarin, nor should be ever considered to be one. Facts are facts. You can shove your "Why Aldrich Killian is The Mandarin" article somewhere deep. That crappy article makes its main point by comparing the fact that Mandarin from Knauf's run was shirtless, and Aldrich Killian was shirtless in the movie at one point. If that is enough to convince MCU shills like you, then I guess I can as easily convince you to eat pile of crap if I call it "a tasty cupcake". (Which a very correct analogy regarding the movie, if you think about it.)

[–] ZoomTheFlash 8 years ago

Nah, Killian is the mandarin according to the MCU not according to mh-newressistance. At least its what's mostly accepted. Facts are facts but not when they are selective, choosing not to consider which version of the Mandarin the movie was gravitating to.
And sure, so what? It's cupcakey because christmas is central to the theme, only a fair association from you.
And no, self-applauding is not a good look.

[–] DarklordRB 8 years ago

That was before "All Hail the King".

[–] mh-newressistance 8 years ago

Nah, Killian is the mandarin according to the MCU

MCU is held by the people who never opened up a comic book in their life. Also, that (pointless) short film disagrees with you.

not according to mh-newressistance.

mh-newressistance have been reading comics with the Mandarin since he was a little kid. mh-newressistance have read almost every comic book issue with the Mandarin that was ever published. mh-newressistance considers the Mandarin to be his favorite villain in any fiction. So, sorry, pal, but, in this case, mh-newressistance's opinion is more substantial than the opinion of a movie studio that doesn't have any passion or respect for this character.

At least its what's mostly accepted.

What is accepted? MCU have debunked this stupid idea three years ago when they made All Hail The King.

Facts are facts but not when they are selective

Which facts in here are selective? The fact that Aldrich Killian is not the Mandarin is a universally accepted fact that doesn't need to be selected. It's as obvious as the fact that water is wet.

choosing not to consider which version of the Mandarin the movie was gravitating to.

And which version it was, pal? Daniel and Charlie Knauf's version? Knauf's Mandarin was: 1. Chinese. 2. He was modern take on the Mandarin, but he existed within the same continuity as the previous versions of the character. 3. He had the power of ten celestial rings that belonged to the alien race known as "Makluans" - whose name, by the way, was misspelled in their run. 4. His motivation in Knauf's run was purely philosophical. After years of defeat and humiliation, Mandarin understood that he cannot win this battle without sacrifice. So, instead, he decided to prove his point by spreading out a genocidal pandemic that'd most likely kill him, along with the prevalent majority of living beings.

And now is the question: have you seen any of these attributes in the Aldrich Killian's character? Is he Chinese? No. Does he share similar history with the Mandarin? No. Are his powers non-earth based? No. Is his ideology philosophical? No! So what the hell he has in common with the Mandarin, then? The fact that he fought Iron Man without his shirt on at one point in the movie? Great! Right now, I'm shirtless. So does it mean that I'm Mandarin, too?

And sure, so what? It's cupcakey because christmas is central to the theme, only a fair association from you.
And no, self-applauding is not a good look.

Your posts are lame.

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[–] Verdugo85 8 years ago

Once again, Im gonna inform you and the in-denial usual suspects who hasnt been sleeping since Iron Man 3, Im gonna throw it right on your lap, so catch..

You dont have to watch Hail To The King to learn that there's a real Mandarin. The "real" Mandarin was hinted in Iron Man 3 Killian hinted it but not distinctively- "Because the second you give evil a face, a Bin Laden, a Gaddafi, The Mandarin, you hand the people a target. Anyway, the point is, ever since that big dude with the hammer fell out of the sky, subtlety’s kind of had its day."

What Marvel did was put Mandarin's characteristics on Aldrich Killian but he's not the leader of the Ten Rings nor had anything to do with Tony's kidnapping in the first film. Marvel did this concept to "test the water". Killian organizes AIM..Mandarin/Ten Rings had nothing to do with the events of IM3 but they're still out there.

Anyways, I dont think Marvel will deal with the real Mandarin anytime soon. Right now, Marvel is dealing with the infinity stones and Thanos.

At the end of the day there was always a real Mandarin.

[–] mh-newressistance 8 years ago

Once again, Im gonna inform you and the in-denial usual suspects who hasnt been sleeping since Iron Man 3, Im gonna throw it right on your lap, so catch..

You dont have to watch Hail To The King to learn that there's a real Mandarin. The "real" Mandarin was hinted in Iron Man 3 Killian hinted it but not distinctively- "Because the second you give evil a face, a Bin Laden, a Gaddafi, The Mandarin, you hand the people a target. Anyway, the point is, ever since that big dude with the hammer fell out of the sky, subtlety’s kind of had its day."

What Marvel did was put Mandarin's characteristics on Aldrich Killian but he's not the leader of the Ten Rings nor had anything to do with Tony's kidnapping in the first film. Marvel did this concept to "test the water". Killian organizes AIM..Mandarin/Ten Rings had nothing to do with the events of IM3 but they're still out there.

Anyways, I dont think Marvel will deal with the real Mandarin anytime soon. Right now, Marvel is dealing with the infinity stones and Thanos.

At the end of the day there was always a real Mandarin.

Oops!:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/iron_man/iron_man_3/iron-man-3-director-shane-black-confirms-all-hail-the-king-a141771

Also, I don't know how many times I have to mention this to the people who (obviously) don't read comics, but Aldrich Killian didn't have any of the Mandarin's characteristics. I don't know how stupid you have to be to not get it. It's pretty obvious if you'll just look at the pictures of the two.

This is the Mandarin:

https://pp.vk.me/c636627/v636627187/30440/hzCXJCpu-CA.jpg

This is some crappy, disposable villain:

https://bplusmovieblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/iron-man-3-32.png?w=590

[–] Verdugo85 8 years ago

You were saying?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/03/shane-black-has-no-regrets-over-iron-man-3as-mandarin

[–] mh-newressistance 8 years ago

You were saying?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/03/shane-black-has-no-regrets-over-iron-man-3as-mandarin

How does it disproves my point? It doesn't matter if Shane Black regrets for making Iron Man 3 as terrible as it was. The fact of the matter is, All Hail The King was an apology rather than a planed decision.

[–] Verdugo85 8 years ago

That article is from June of this year 2016. Black has no regret about the choice, he said that, I didnt make it up.

The article also says that Black believes Marvel made the ‘Hail to the King’ short just to appease them, so there you go. It was made to shut you whiners up.

And once more again, as I explained about the Mandarin you dont have to watch Hail to the King to learn that a real Mandarin exist, he was always there but you buffoons bicker, argue and complain because there wasnt an "authentic" Mandarin holding 10 magical rings in Iron Man 3 so they shoved this One Shot right in your face..

Whats done, is done, what more do you want?

[–] mh-newressistance 8 years ago

That article is from June of this year 2016. Black has no regret about the choice, he said that, I didnt make it up.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? I think you might have that kind of problem. Everything what you described was already pointed out by me. By repeating it, you're not proving your point, no. You're further decreasing your own arguments.

Really, do I have to explain to you such a simple fact?

The article also says that Black believes Marvel made the ‘Hail to the King’ short just to appease them, so there you go.

Are you an idiot, pal? I think you are. (Jesus...)

You were saying that Marvel have planned the idea of the Mandarin being an actual character. But, idiot, as that cretin Shane Black have explained, that wasn't the case. It was never in his intentions to leave the possibility of the actual Mandarin in the movie. It was all done as an afterthought. Thus, dummy, your point is stupid, since that cretin admitted that All Hail The King was reactionary attempt to apologize before the fans. So your entire point is stupid. (You understand?!)

It was made to shut you whiners up.

Marvel must have really low opinion about their fans if they think that lame short-film can make up for a crappy movie that goes for two hours.

And once more again, as I explained about the Mandarin you dont have to watch Hail to the King to learn that a real Mandarin exist

I think you want me to call you an idiot, don't you? "Real Mandarin" was never there. All Hail The King was a reaction, not a planed decision. So what the hell you are talking about?

he was always there

He was never there, you simpleminded simpleton.

but you buffoons bicker, argue and complain because there wasnt an "authentic" Mandarin holding 10 magical rings in Iron Man 3

You know, you like being called stupid, aren't you? If it's not an authentic Mandarin with 10 rings (which aren't magic, by the way), then it's not the Mandarin.

so they shoved this One Shot right in your face..

Well, Marvel can shove Iron Man 3 and that crappy short-film into their asses, since Iron Man 3 still sucks.

[–] Verdugo85 8 years ago

So who kidnapped Tony in the first film?

A Ten Ring member gave Ivan Vanko a fixed passport, who does he answers too? Because Raza was killed off..

[–] mh-newressistance 8 years ago

So who kidnapped Tony in the first film?

A group of lowlife terrorists that were hired by Tony's mentor.

A Ten Ring member gave Ivan Vanko a fixed passport, who does he answers too? Because Raza was killed off..

First of all, the only reason why you'd know that this guy is somehow related to Ten Rings is because Jon Favreau had told on the commentary track for Iron Man 2 that he works for Mandarin. Other than that, there is no evidence of him being related to Mandarin.

Second of all, all those nods to the Mandarin were included into previous films before Shane Black and Drew Pearce came on board and ignored all those obvious implications that the Mandarin is a legitimate character that's been around for a long time.

Which is, again, one of the reason why Iron Man 3 sucks so much, since it retroactively ignored so many pivotal moments from previous movies.

[–] Verdugo85 8 years ago

Ten Rings organization, how many rings the Mandarin carries? 

First of all, the only reason why you'd know that this guy is somehow related to Ten Rings is because Jon Favreau had told on the commentary track for Iron Man 2 that he works for Mandarin.

Im gonna take Favreau word for it because:

-Ten Rings werent there in Iron Man 3, it was AIM. Killian is the head of AIM, he was never behind Tony's kidnapping and he used Ten Rings as a distraction (as he explained in the movie). However, Killian had Mandarin's characteristics like the dragon tattoo, controlling war on terror, the Government & extremis and a science savvy, you should know that genius only that he wasnt Chinese, boohoo! This is a fact..

So Ten Rings must still be operating out there...And this concept was way before they made that One Shotshort with Trevor Slattery.. So if a "real" Mandarin appears in the future then its justified. The only "Mandarin" that we know of now is named Aldrich Killian, you dont like it then thats tough sh!t bruh

[–] Verdugo85 8 years ago

That Ben Kingsley One Shot was made to shut you effeminate, whining ass-clowns..

[–] mh-newressistance 8 years ago

That Ben Kingsley One Shot was made to shut you effeminate, whining ass-clowns..

Judging by your impulsive reaction, the only one who's whining right now is you. All the people who have said that the movie is shіt are no longer interested in pointing that out once again. But apologists like you continue to defend it.

[–] Verdugo85 8 years ago

I get it, your argument is that Killian isnt The Mandarin because he wasnt Asian.

[–] mh-newressistance 8 years ago

I get it, your argument is that Killian isnt The Mandarin because he wasnt Asian.

Considering that the main conception about the Mandarin is his relation to the Asian culture and its ethnos, it shouldn't surprise you.