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Why Aldrich Killian is "The Mandarin"

posted 9 years ago by ZoomTheFlash
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beware it's lengthy, but worthwhile read

What makes Guy Pearce’s role in Iron Man 3 so significant? Curious about how the character of Aldrich Killian was conceived in the film and who he’s truly meant to represent? Did you really think that the Marvel Cinematic Universe abandoned the Mandarin? Think again.

For those who have already seen the film Iron Man 3, you’re all pretty much aware of the big twist about the Mandarin. Of course, this sparked an outrage amongst, and I use this very hesitantly, “fans” as they felt like the whole thing was a disservice to their beloved Fu Manchu-inspired bad guy.

While many Marvel Cinematic Universe fans have come to defend the twist, not many are that well-versed with the comics, meaning that there’s only a limited number of people who are truly aware of the full implications of the Mandarin’s portrayal within the film. Worry no more, as I’ll provide the explanation you’re looking for.

There are three mistakes that many outraged “fans” seem to make - (I’m picking three because it sounds more convincing than two)
1)They think that Kingsley’s portrayal of the Mandarin is the only depiction of the character within the comics
2)They think that the revelation that Kingsley’s character is nothing more than a drunken actor means that the Mandarin is RUINED FOREVAR
3)They outright ignore and dismiss the character that is Aldrich Killian
Now the thing is, Kingsley’s portrayal of the Mandarin was heavily inspired by the Mandarin’s classic look. This appearance of the Mandarin is based on the Fu-Manchu stereotype, a product of an old racist perception known as the “Yellow Peril”.

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Classic Mandarin

Making a Chinese/East Asian-inspired terrorist villain (complete with stereotypical Fu-Manchu aesthetics and vibes) just wasn’t gonna fly.“Oh but the comic Mandarin is intelligent, and he opposes everyone even the Chinese! So that means he’s not offensive!”Actually no, part of being a Fu-Manchu stereotype is literally just that, an East-Asian villain with great intellect, resources and stylized aesthetics, all while embodying all that is evil. The fact that the Mandarin in “Iron Man 3” had to be renamed as “Man Daren” for Chinese theaters (look it up) is already telling. With that in mind, it’s readily apparent why the filmmakers even decided to divert away from classic depictions of the character by turning Kingsley’s portrayal of the “Mandarin” into a satire.

“True story about fortune cookies. They look Chinese. They sound Chinese. But they’re actually an American invention. Which is why they’re hollow, full of lies, and leave a bad taste in the mouth.”
— Trevor Slattery as “The Mandarin”

Oh but then there’s the twist right? So the “Mandarin” doesn’t really exist in the film then? Wrong. The truth is, Aldrich Killian IS the Mandarin, something that many fans tend to ignore or outright deny. Accounting for the dissatisfaction from the so-called fans, they tend to use the Joker as an example, such as“what if Joker turned out to be a mascot who’s controlled by a scheming businessman and you say that that guy is the Joker?”Now, that comparison doesn’t actually work because the Joker has had one general consistent and very iconic look to his character: a guy in some purple formal wear, with white skin and green hair that looks like a clown.
What many fans don’t seem to realize is that Kingsley’s portrayal of the Mandarin is not the ONLY depiction/appearance of the Mandarin within the comics. Lately the Mandarin has actually been portrayed as more of a suave businessman and scientist who manipulates people in the shadows unlike classic iterations of the character (sound familiar to anyone?)

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Modern Mandarin

Considering how Drew Pearce (co-writer of the film) has gone on record to say that he researched on the various versions of the Mandarin, it should be no surprise that Killian’s depiction comes very close to the recent iterations of the character in the comics. While some are quick to point atExtremisas the source of inspiration forIron Man 3, avid comic readers will actually recognize that Killian’s plot was very obviously inspired by the comic arc inIron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.(#15-18), specifically the one calledIron Man: Haunted.

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Modern Mandarin as depicted in “Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.” in the story arc “Iron Man: Haunted”.

In this particular story arc, it depicts a very modern Mandarin in which he manipulates people (including Maya Hansen) as a CEO businessman in order to gain access to Extremis with plans of “cleansing humanity” as a means of achieving the next step of human evolution, all while supporting terrorists in the shadows and manipulating the government.

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Tony Stark warns Maya Hansen to back away as the Mandarin readies himself for battle.

InIron Man: Haunted, the Mandarin is depicted as sporting a business suit for most of his appearance, and just like Killian, he finds his answer in wanting to further humanity’s evolution through Maya Hansen’s possession of Extremis. InIron Man 3,Killian wants to spread and embody this notion of an ideal superhuman while ruling in anonymity, whereas the Mandarin inIron Man: Hauntedalready considers himself as the first true embodiment of said ideal superhuman, thus viewing his role as that of a martyr who must usher in a new era. While their views of their own respective role may differ (ruler vs martyr), their desire to improve and perfect the human race on a biologically-selective scale remains the same. Beyond that, both are depicted as being passively arrogant in their mannerisms while possessing an assumed sense of superiority, as well as having unrelenting confidence in their own physical capabilities as a melee combatant.

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The Mandarin as depicted in “Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.” in the story arc “Iron Man: Haunted”.

Much like Killian in the film’s finale, this modern depiction of the Mandarin was also showcased as fighting shirtless and bare-handed against Tony Stark. Even during his recorded interviews with his Extremis soldiers, Killian is shown as sporting a beard and long hair, akin to the appearance of this modern depiction of the Mandarin.

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Iron Man in Silver Centurion armor fighting the Mandarin

Further adding parallels between the film and this story arc, Tony is featured as abandoning his traditional Extremis suit in favor of his classic Silver Centurion armor to battle the Mandarin. In theIron Man 3film, when Tony comes to Pepper’s aid from being trapped under debris he is suddenly attacked by Killian. Guess which suit Tony was wearing during that moment? Yeah that’s right, the Silver Centurion suit, complete with silver plating and pointy-shoulder armor.

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The Silver Centurion armor in the comics (left) and the film “Iron Man 3”(right).

As another notable comparison, before the Mandarin resurfaced in recent comics, he had actually lost his hands beforehand; eventually adopting a set of artificial hands (visible in the previous images). While unconfirmed if it was intentional on the filmmakers’ part, it’s certainly reflective of the scene in which Killian gets his hand cut off by Tony during their first proper confrontation along with the final battle in which Killian momentarily broke his wrist while fighting Tony (only in the film he’s able to regenerate from his injuries through his Extremis virus).

With such blatant parallels between the film and this particular depiction of the Mandarin, it should be clear that such connections are no mere coincidences. Still unconvinced? Well how about this:

- Comic Mandarin is a super-humanly skilled martial artist and a mad scientist who schemes to cause World War III so he can rule the ashes. He is extremely athletic and fights with karate chops through his chi powers. His design has Chinese dragon motifs and he has ties with the dragon-like character Fin Fang Foom.
- Aldrich Killian is a superhuman martial artist and a mad scientist who schemes to control and expand the War On Terror so he can profit from the ashes. He is athletic and fights with karate chops through his Extremis abilities. He has dragon tattoos on his chest, in which they are described by director Shane Black as a reference to Fin Fang Foom.

Not so different anymore now, eh? If anything, Killian is actually far closer to the Mandarin than the origin of his own name (the character “Aldrich Killian”). For reference, the original character known as Aldrich Killian in the comics was merely the scientist who created Extremis who died through suicide fairly early in the comics before Tony could even meet the character. Barely even a notable character.

While some may argue that removing the Mandarin’s powerful ten rings in favor of Extremis abilities is blasphemous, the idea of combining antagonists is a precedence that was already set before through the character Whiplash/Ivan Vanko inIron Man 2(who he himself is a combination of Iron Man villains Blacklash and Crimson Dynamo). In the case of Aldrich Killian, they simply granted him the Extremis abilities from the Iron Man villain called Mallen (the direct antagonist of the comic of the same name) in favor of dabbling in with the ten alien rings of the comic Mandarin. Still, this doesn’t mean that Aldrich Killian is simply an original character who is an amalgam of multiple ones. For all intents and purposes, Aldrich Killian is well and truly “The Mandarin”; only that he is given the identity of “Aldrich Killian” along with the Extremis abilities of Mallen (complete with fire breath) as opposed the comic Mandarin’s chi powers and ten alien rings.

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Mallen breathing fire from “Iron Man: Extremis”

So then, why doesn’t Killian wear the rings? Well as much as Killian doesn’t actually use rings in combat, if one truly paid attention to the film, you’ll find that Killian actually wore an excessive number of rings (a hint towards his true identity), despite being single. While some may question the choice of depicting the Mandarin at a younger age with shorter slicked back hair and an obvious lack of facial hair, this isn’t entirely unprecedented as the Mandarin has been depicted similarly in other media; most notably in the animated seriesIron Man: Armored Adventures. In fact, the idea of depicting the Mandarin as a young businessman was something that was initially planned for the first Iron Man film, in which Kevin Feige (head producer and decision-maker of Marvel Studios) described the Mandarin’s planned role as “a contemporary of Tony Stark. He was younger. He was involved in business deals with [Stark.]” While the Mandarin was omitted from the first film, this idea would serve as the basis for the future creation of Aldrich Killian and his designated role as the Mandarin inIron Man 3.

This may all seem like fan theories gone crazy but Killian being the Mandarin has actually been confirmed already. The director ofIron Man 3,Shane Black, elaborated that Guy Pearce’s character (Aldrich Killian) is in fact the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s depiction of theMandarin, as signified by his dragon tattoos. Black describes the terrorist persona (portrayed by Kingsley’s character) as Killian’s proxy, essentially a “mask” for Killian to remain anonymous while manipulating the media and the government.

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[–] ZoomTheFlash 9 years ago

The interviewheavily emphasized on the notion of “Pearce’s Mandarin” as opposed to simply being inspired by the character from the comics. This pretty much legitimizes his role as the MCU’s version of the Mandarin as opposed to simply being an amalgam of multiple characters. Intended as a form of satire in regards to how the media sensationalizes terrorism, Black re-invented the character by using the classic appearance of the Mandarin to create the terrorist persona, while using the modern interpretation of the Mandarin to create Aldrich Killian.

“No more false faces. You said you wanted "The Mandarin”… you’re looking right at him. It was always me Tony, right from the start. I am the Mandarin!“-Aldrich Killian

In light of this revelation, it doesn’t render Kingsley’s portrayal obsolete at all, as "The Mandarin” terrorist persona essentially acted as Killian’s “face” and mouthpiece, thus remaining a vital part of his character. Factor in how Killian’s conception of the “Mandarin” was supposedly inspired by his obsession over Sun Tzu, you can easily attribute his preference for Eastern aesthetics as part of his fixation over Sun Tzu’s works in regards to warfare. The “Mandarin” character in this regard, serves as Killian’s powerful and influential weapon/tool. Just as much as “Iron Man” is truly Tony Stark, the “Mandarin” is truly Aldrich Killian.

Black elaborates that this is what Killian truly meant during his final speech, in which he and Tony should stop wearing “false faces” to highlight his acceptance and self-entitlement towards his crimes as well as his role as the true “Mandarin”. Heck, the title of the “Mandarin” is described in the film as an “adviser to the king” which basically hints at Killian’s goal of gaining power and control over the government while continually using the terrorist persona to manipulate the public. What makes this particular portrayal of the Mandarin so significant is the fact that the filmmakers decided to finally portray the Mandarin as a personal foe to Iron Man unlike any other depiction that came before.

His character is interesting in that he’s a subverted version of Iron Man’s nemesis. By giving him an actual identity as opposed to simply being a persona, he’s turned into something more human than one might think, and his placement in the MCU as one of Tony’s very own “demons” makes for an interesting villain than usual. Now, let’s compare him to the other Iron Man villains.
Obadiah Stane was like the close-yet-evil “uncle” who wanted to dethrone the company’s heir by taking over Stark Industries and “improvising” (read: stealing) Tony’s ideas. Whiplash/Vanko on the other hand wanted classic revenge in the form of making a statement; specifically by showing the world that Iron Man was not as invincible as he seemed. Then there’s Justin Hammer who always saw himself as Tony’s rival and superior, especially with his goal of making Iron Man look like an “antique”.

Finally we have Killian, a guy who was one of Tony’s self-admitted biggest fans, until he got shunned by the very guy he admired. More than anything, Killian probablywantedto be like Tony. His schemes involved monopolizing on scientific endeavors and warfare, basically embodying what Tony once had back in his days as an arms manufacturer. Despite all this, Killian barely even wanted revenge against Tony. He wasn’t making a statement or defaming Tony like past villains at all. The only time Killian truly purposely organized an attack was when Tony personally threatened the Mandarin terrorist persona where he was essentially forced to put him down else the Mandarin deterrence would be greatly undermined. Heck, why else did he ignore Tony for most of the film without so much a care as to whether or not his goons succeeded in killing him?

“…I had a thought that would guide me for years to come. Anonymity, Tony. Thanks to you, it’s been my mantra ever since, right? You simply rule from behind the scenes. Because the second you give evil a face, a Bin Laden, a Gaddafi, a Mandarin, you hand the people a target.”-Aldrich Killian

In this regard, it’s not about getting revenge, rather his goal was about achieving “perfection”, literally surpassing the kind of “weak” person he once was. Whether or not Stark Industries or even Tony Stark himself was ever willing to help him was besides the point. So with this mentality of striving for perfection, he starts up a think tank company (AIM) that funds scientific and military research which could basically rival against Stark Industries. He and Maya Hansen work together to create and fund the Extremis project. He abducted his old crush and former employee, Pepper Potts, even going so far as to describe her as his “trophy”. He literally had the White House in his hands through the Vice President all while remaining in the shadows as he slowly perfects Extremis to further humanity’s evolution (at least in his eyes). He created a system that would literally allow him to control the War on Terror on both sides. Not only do all of these make him a great antithesis to the more reclusive Tony Stark (whose identity remains saturated in the media), it also manages to remove any sense of petty revenge as his role was presented as more of a plague that was slowly and covertly infecting Tony’s world than a villain with an outwardly simple vendetta towards him.

In the film’s climax, Killian is shown as having amassed his own army of Extremis soldiers whereas in stark contrast we have Tony with his army of Iron Man suits. It’s definitely interesting in that Killian is treated as some sort of mistake, a “demon” that Tony had created because of his past arrogant lifestyle. As such, the Extremis soldiers and Killian are the “demons” that he eventually had to face, and with the Iron Man suits by his side, what better way to fight his demons than use the very tools that made him into the changed man he is right now?

Outraged fans claim that Killian never seemed scary or imposing enough to be the “Mandarin”, but that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t dangerous at all, and I find that he’s definitely one of Tony’s most dangerous and personal foes yet.

Adorned with dragon tattoos and enhanced by the Extremis virus, Aldrich Killian reveals himself as the true alter ego of“The Mandarin”in the film’s climax.
The whole idea behind the film was that you “create your own demons”. Those personal “demons” aren’t just outside forces (like Kingsley’s Mandarin portrayal), they’re things that you had a hand in molding them, essentially creating your own chief tormentor that would come to plague the world around you. By designating Killian as Tony’s personal “demon”, it further cements his role as Iron Man’s true arch-nemesis: The Mandarin.

“This time tomorrow, I’ll have the West’s most powerful leader in one hand, and the world’s most feared terrorist in the other. I’ll own the War on Terror.”-Aldrich Killian

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[–] ZoomTheFlash 9 years ago

did you even bother to read the OP?

[–] DarklordRB 9 years ago

So you want me to accept your opinion as fact? I'm sorry, but I wanted the Mandarin with his Alien rings and to have a Chinese heritage. Killian is just a stitch together fallacy of a character. Saying he's the Mandarin is like saying a shabby carpet made from other carpets is just as authentic as a real Persian rug.

[–] ZoomTheFlash 9 years ago

why did you delete your reply ?

So you want me to accept your opinion as fact?

Lol what? You didn't acknowledge the OP that's why satan. sorry, darklord. And from your edit, I suggest you watch the film again. The film clearly stated what they wanted to convey. I can't say if it was marvel or black that didn't go with the ten rings of power, but as the article says Killian actually wore a number of rings. A hint towards his true identity = The Mandarin, who in the film is portrayed like an illusion. The rings = the mask, Mandarin. Metaphorically the rings here are Killian (the true mandarin)'s powers to exploit deep-seated political fears. Or can I imagine you on the tdkr boards arguing how inaccurate the Lazarus Pit was?

[–] mh-newressistance 9 years ago

Except, Killian shares nothing in common with Mandarin, conceptuality or literally, and he was never intended to be an any kind of version of the Mandarin. And it was officially confirmed by Black who said that originaly villain was supposed to be a woman. The post which you showed here was written by some pseudo-comic-book fan who read one or two stories at best and then decided to write that post as an excuse for the fact that the movie ruined Iron Man's most iconic villain. The main problem though, the movie uses a facade of an evil businessman as a true villain who operates everything, while, in comics, Mandarin's business ties were the facade which he used to facilitate his grand agendas. Deep down he still had a mind of an oriental conquerer who believed that he is entitled to re-conceptualize the world under his individual paradigm. I'm not even going to mention the most obvious differences, like race and origin, but even personality and motivation of both is different. Killian is pity, narcissistic, revenge-driven imbecile. Mandarin is sophisticated, refined, intelligent evildoer who relies on the epistemological ideals of the east.

[–] mh-newressistance 9 years ago

Oh, you don't need to worry about it. I've already debunkud this incompetent post long time ago. I've actually wrote a message to a person who wrote it and asked which comics with the Mandarin he/she have read except for that one which he/she mentions constantly. I've send a picture of my comic book collection with Mandarin, which contains of dozens of trades and almost 400+ single comic book issues, but he/she blocked me after reading my message.

http://mandarinpissesonyourface.tumblr.com/post/140357095335/why-aldrich-killian-is-not-the-mandarin

[–] ZoomTheFlash 9 years ago

Oh wait, so you've read a bunch of comics books...how tell me does this little achievement make you an authority - over someone who read those comic books too? And by the way thanks, I read your little post but wasted my time, it's a long-winded, repetitive and know-it-all response, really if I didn't know this about the mandarin, than what's the point of being a fan? And I'm glad that YOU deleted whatever else you had on here. This is widely known *beep* and you insufferable, I see why the OP ignored the hell out of you. All this stuff is understood by fans. Why i posted the OP is in response to this (in relation to IM3's killian's/mandarin), that's why I "worried about it", it's why I posted it on here for people who weren't aware of it.

The post you responded to (back in 2013?) clearly puts which comic books this version of mandarin is inspired from, but you chose to ignore it saying "There’s like fifty years of character’s bibliography, but she/he is basing all points based on a single portray from one story-arc?" *beep* hell. It's canon, stop reducing it.

[–] mh-newressistance 9 years ago

Oh wait, so you've read a bunch of comics books...how tell me does this little achievement make you an authority - over someone who read those comic books too?

1. I never claimed for it to be some kind of achievement. But it's the thing that gives me the authority around such topics, since I have a knowledge about this certain character which other people may not have.

2. I didn't read "bunch of comics". I've read every comic book involving the Mandarin that was ever published, and I have physical copies of most of his comics.

3. I Am a fan of the character, and the person which wrote that post is clearly not, since that guy/girl is ignorant and bias towards the character and shows no respect over him.

4. That person didn't read any other comic book outside that one that she/he mentioned.

And by the way thanks, I read your little post but wasted my time, it's a long-winded, repetitive and know-it-all response, really if I didn't know this about the mandarin, than what's the point of being a fan?

Sorry, but you can't blame my verbal skills for being too orthodox while being on defense of a post that goes for thousands of paragraphs, that is trying to prove similarities between two completely distinguished characters, and the main point that this post makes is that both characters at one point have fought without their shirts on. That post is a bias and ignorant.

And I'm glad that YOU deleted whatever else you had on here.

I decided to copy and paste the entire article here like you did, but then I just understood how stupid it is, and it's much better to give people a link to post itself instead of spaming board with tons of text.

This is widely known *beep* and you insufferable, I see why the OP ignored the hell out of you. All this stuff is understood by fans. Why i posted the OP is in response to this (in relation to IM3's killian's/mandarin), that's why I "worried about it", it's why I posted it on here for people who weren't aware of it.

"Widely known" what, pal? The only people who agree with that post are either bias MCU fans that don't care about comic book accuracy at all, or completely random people that don't read comics and will not check the facts. That post is completely false, and the person who wrote it is biased, and that post is nothing more than his/her subjective opinion. It can't be considered a fact, since it contradicts the real facts. And I'm not even talking about the limited knowledge of that person when it comes to Mandarin.

Also, do you know who also didn't thought that Aldrich Killian was Mandarin? Bob Layton, who's one of the most influential artists and writers that ever worked with Iron Man. He hated Iron Man 3. He said it was a stupid movie that was made by an incompetent people that don't care about the source material, which is, you know, very correct.

The post you responded to (back in 2013?) clearly puts which comic books this version of mandarin is inspired from, but you chose to ignore it saying "There’s like fifty years of character’s bibliography, but she/he is basing all points based on a single portray from one story-arc?" *beep* hell. It's canon, stop reducing it.

And that's the problem. That article emphasizes the similarities only between that selective story while ignoring every other incarnation that came before. "Haunted" is a continuation of all those other iconic Mandarin stories from the past. It's not a new version of the character. It has all the definitive characteristics that the classic Mandarin always had. Aldrich Killian has no characteristics of the comic book Mandarin. None!

And as I've said in my post, Knauf's version of Mandarin is completely different to the Aldrich Killian's character. In "Haunted", Mandarin was a twisted idealist who was corrupted by the idea of social Darwinism and survival of the fittest, so that is why he was going to start a genocidal pandemic around the world, thus killing vast majority of living beings on earth. Aldrich Killian is a greedy profiteer who's interested only in profit and nothing else. There's no abstruse world outlook to him. He's an absurd character, and he's not by any means the Mandarin.

If you want to argue with me on that one, ask that "knowledgeable person" who knows "everything" about the Mandarin, what were the names of Mandarin's father and mother? The trick here though, Mandarin's parents had always minimal presence throughout his entire history. Their names were mentioned only once, in a single comic book issue that wasn't even part of the regular continuity. There's no mention of their names on the Internet, so you have to know their names only if you have read every single comic book involving the Mandarin and you had chance to read that specific issue about which I'm talking about. So if that person answer my question, I'll reconsider my opinion.

[–] Verdugo85 8 years ago

So tell me, when did Killian referenced that he's a villain because Tony shunned him in 1999?

[–] temujinmandarin 8 years ago

So tell me, when did Killian referenced that he's a villain because Tony shunned him in 1999?

[–] Verdugo85 8 years ago

When he mentions twice through the course of the film the fact that Tony Stark humiliated him on a Christmas, making big deal out of it. If that wasn't his main problem with Stark, he wouldn't be so obsessed with that period of time.

Here, let me shove it in your face. Dont mind the quality as long as you listen and learn:

https://youtu.be/bPLbQ3oswB0?t=85

[–] temujinmandarin 8 years ago

Aldrich Killain wasn't born in pre-communist China, not an Asian, never found giant spacecraft in the middle of a mysterious valley of spirit, not obsessed with Mongolian atavisms, doesn't live in a giant castle that looks like a mix of traditional Asian aesthetics and sets technologies from Star Trek. The idiot who wrote this shіtty article knows Mandarin as well as he knows what the good movie is - which means that he doesn't know jack shіt. Also, Mandarin doesn't hate Tony Stark because Stark dumped him during Christmas eve. They first met after Pentagon became very concerned about Mandarin's presence and the threat that he might cause to the world, thus they asked Iron Man to figure things out and to help them take him down.

[–] ZoomTheFlash 8 years ago

mh-newressistance? What is temujinmandarin an account set up for trolling? Why did you summon me. If you’re just going to continue to belabor the obvious, kindly pisssssss offffffffff. With as much restraint as one can muster I say this to you. You're an insect on these boards. You've said nothing that helps me understand the characters better in the movies or in the comic books where they come from...until you consider the director's & marvel's intentions in your whiney argument. You say the same thing a lot gnat with an obvious failure to grasp the ideas of the movie and [because of this] you annoy me. Verdugo85 is right it never was personal for Killian, he holds nothing against Stark and is in fact grateful. You like a dog with a bone about this issue and can't seem to let it go. Killian wasn't obsessed with the period of time he was obsessed with the completion of maya's formula. He was obsessed with Pepper Potts & Starks Industries the company's influence along with his pull in the government. Now fly away little gnat, and I mean that in the nicest way possible.

[–] mh-newressistance 8 years ago

mh-newressistance? What is temujinmandarin an account set up for trolling?

Sure. Since it is less likely that there might be other Mandarin fans other than me? It's logical to assume that a character with 50+ history would have only one fan. I think you're slowly going insanse because of Iron Man 3. That movie *beep* with your head, pal.

I like your profile picture though. Spider-Man 2 was great. Way better than Iron Fail 3.

[–] ZoomTheFlash 8 years ago

Hahaha...made me laugh! Actually pretty funny. But was drawing a comparison rather than making the assumption, you all come from the same bag (said the same thing). Called making a point, I read his other replies and he does come off a lot worse. But for what it's worth sorry you got caught in it and take it back.
Since we can't agree on that, thanks, absolutely Spiderman 2 is amazing and a personal favorite of mine but the two are totally different cb movies and both serve their characters well. You might not be the person but you both a little obsessive, and presumptuous to think all fans of the mandarin hate this movie.

[–] mh-newressistance 8 years ago

Hahaha...made me laugh!

Nobody cares about that, pal.

Actually pretty funny.

Nah, not really.

But was drawing a comparison rather than making the assumption

Assumption based on what? Stupid article, written by some apologist who doesn't know jack thing about comic books? That fuсker says that Aldrich Killian was a "comic book accurate" Mandarin because he fought without his shirt on. (That is fuсking lame, you know.)

you all come from the same bag (said the same thing).

Yeah, sure, since it's not as if any Mandarin fan would told you the exact same thing. It's like asking a Batman fan about Batman's origin and expecting to hear something other than "his parents got shot and he became Batman."

But for what it's worth sorry you got caught in it and take it back.

As I said, you're definitely paranoiac, pal. You see conspiracy theories everywhere.

and presumptuous to think all fans of the mandarin hate this movie.

Except, the guy who wrote that article wasn't a Mandarin fan. He said that he does not like the traditional Mandarin. Also, comic book writers such as John Byrne and Bob Layton both are huge Mandarin fans, but they hate the movie.

[–] ZoomTheFlash 8 years ago

Weird. Ok I'm getting bored. temujinmandarin you sound like mh-newressistance in that nearly indecipherable string of nonsense. So I'm going to give this one a skip, if you don't mind.

But, one more thing. You not wrong for throwing that apology right back in to my face with such class too, and very eloquent, not at all irrational or confused.

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