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When are we gonna see a decent Mandarin?

posted 8 years ago by dlumyoung
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We all know he's out there, they said so in All Hail the King. So my question is when are we gonna see the actual Mandarin come in a make his presence known? I guess the question I should be asking is are we gonna get another Iron Man movie in another Phase?

[–] DarklordRB 8 years ago

Hopefully when Iron Man 4 gets made. I know there's a lot of detractors out there saying it won't happen, but forget them. Iron Man 4 needs to happen. I also hope they make an Incredible Hulk 2 movie as well.

[–] temujinmandarin 8 years ago

Probably never. Considering how PC Marvel is trying to be - in both comics and movies - and how "sensitive" they want to be towards Communist China (since they afraid that China might close their movie market for their movies once they'll do something to piss them off), it is less likely that they would do the comic book Mandarin, who in the comics basically wipes his butt with the communistic ideals.(Mandarin in the comics is against Communism, in case people don't know.) They might change him, of course (as they did in this movie), but, hopefully, that change won't be as awful as in Iron Man 3. Matt Fraction already wrote the Mandarin in the way where his presence wouldn't bother Communists that much. But Fraction's Mandarin is basically an Asian version of Justin Hammer, which I don't like.

[–] DarklordRB 8 years ago

I think the good thing about Mel Gibson potentially directing an Iron Man 4 movie, is that he wouldn't give into all that PC Chinese appeasement crap when it comes to the Mandarin. As South Park said when it came to Mel, "Say what you want about Mel Gibson, but the son-of-a-bitch knows story structure!".

[–] haxemon 8 years ago

I agree it's low on the priority list for Marvel and really it should be. There are lots of new characters to explore.

But I do think it can easily be updated so it's not racist or campy. The main think with Mandarin in the early comics was that it was magic against science. A theme that could work well with the MCU Tony Stark. (Of course I haven't read all of the Iron Man comics so I may have missed other aspects of the character over the decades.)

I'm okay with (reasonable) pacification of the Chinese if it means millions of dollars pour into the MCU machine to make more movies.

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[–] mh-newressistance 8 years ago

But I do think it can easily be updated so it's not racist or campy.

They kind of did that already, didn't they? Remember Mickey Rourke's "EVILLLL RUSSIAN BAD GHUY" from Iron Man 2? That's like something out of bad 80's action film set in the cold war. What is funny though, the character on which Ivan Vanko was based on, in the comics was actually one of the first non-evil Russian characters, who became Tony Stark's friend, and later on scarified himself to save Stark.

And yeah, the main villain of Iron Man 3 was the epitome of campy, banal villains. From the way he's written to the way his powers are conceptualized. Mandarin has never been "campy" villain. Outside of his over-the-top abilities, the character itself is pretty multi-layered and complex.

The main think with Mandarin in the early comics was that it was magic against science.

It was more than that. Mandarin was a power seeking opportunist who was feared and respected for his power, and power meant everything for him. Iron Man was a selfless do-gooder who used his power selflessly to help people.

And Mandarin didn't really had the power of magic. It's a big misconception about his powers. His powers are technology based. They're just super-advanced.

[–] Verdugo85 8 years ago

The real Mandarin was always out there even without the All Hail the King short, Iron Man 3 proves this..

Killian had no connection with Ten Rings. He used it as a distraction to cover his Extremis test failures but he's a version of The Mandarin for IM3..

Anyways, Marvel Studios isnt gonna deal with the real Mandarin anytime soon..Maybe after Infinity Wars, I dont know but right now theres no news about it..