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ZPM X-304 travel duration?


For the record, I do want to establish I know this is going to be impractical and in any Stargate show, would never be attempted. I understand the asurd suggestion of this would be scoffed off I intended to propose IF a ZPM powered X-304 would meet up with Destiny. I know the distance has never been elaborated on by anything other than Rush's, "several billion light-years from home". I get the fact they're across the universe and it would take a long, long, LONG time to do so.

We've seen a ZPM powered X-304 was capable of reaching Pegasus inside of four-days, and normally it takes 3 weeks. The Apollo's also demonstrated the ability to get there faster ahead of schedule. I'm not saying the Apollo DID have any advancements over the Daedalus in anyway, but if it's possible that as the X-304's rolled off the line, the Hyperdrive/Hyperspace technology makes incrimental, but noticable improvement in travel duration.

So, let's go to the Hammond. From what we've seen, it's the ONLY X-304 that's appeared in Universe, so I'd imagine it's the newest one that flew off the line (Atlantis Season 5 I think had stated Carter was finally being put in the Hammond's captain position, which meant that it hadn't been rolled off long before the finale). I'm not proposing that it's possible to accurately calculate the speed and distance from both ends.

Now, this is where I'm throwing any realistic bumps that would prevent it from failing, and just going into a "what if" scenario by an X-304 using a ZPM DID reach the Destiny. Even lack of air, supplies, and a million other things that would make it a very horrible decision. So, if all those factosr are just thrown out to make a guess about how long it would take...

I just wanna' know how long people think it would take a ZPM X-304 going full-bore nonstop, even with the engine not shorting out. No mechanical failures. Literally, as McKay would say, "Imagine if you threw the laws of physics out of the window" and made it completely impractical to prevent it at being thrown aside. I understand it's not possible for a true calculation given we don't know the overall distance. I jut wanna' ask how long some of you think it would take before the ZPM X-304 met up with Destiny. We can also go under hte pretense that Destiny is heading on a meeting point with the ZPM X-304 and flying closer to Earth, while inadvertantly continuing the mission to cut some distance.

Oh, and the ZPM's at full power. Not '50'% like the one on Atlantis. We've seen the Daedalus could channel that much energy from the ZPM and the ZPM would still retain a large power reserve, despite it's usage to cover the Pegasus-Milky Way in an alarmingy short time.

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ZPM X-304 travel duration?

by luigimario1993 » Thu Aug 28 2014 00:48:42

For the record, I do want to establish I know this is going to be impractical and in any Stargate show, would never be attempted. I understand the asurd suggestion of this would be scoffed off I intended to propose IF a ZPM powered X-304 would meet up with Destiny. I know the distance has never been elaborated on by anything other than Rush's, "several billion light-years from home". I get the fact they're across the universe and it would take a long, long, LONG time to do so.

We've seen a ZPM powered X-304 was capable of reaching Pegasus inside of four-days, and normally it takes 3 weeks. The Apollo's also demonstrated the ability to get there faster ahead of schedule. I'm not saying the Apollo DID have any advancements over the Daedalus in anyway, but if it's possible that as the X-304's rolled off the line, the Hyperdrive/Hyperspace technology makes incrimental, but noticable improvement in travel duration.

So, let's go to the Hammond. From what we've seen, it's the ONLY X-304 that's appeared in Universe, so I'd imagine it's the newest one that flew off the line (Atlantis Season 5 I think had stated Carter was finally being put in the Hammond's captain position, which meant that it hadn't been rolled off long before the finale). I'm not proposing that it's possible to accurately calculate the speed and distance from both ends.

Now, this is where I'm throwing any realistic bumps that would prevent it from failing, and just going into a "what if" scenario by an X-304 using a ZPM DID reach the Destiny. Even lack of air, supplies, and a million other things that would make it a very horrible decision. So, if all those factosr are just thrown out to make a guess about how long it would take...

I just wanna' know how long people think it would take a ZPM X-304 going full-bore nonstop, even with the engine not shorting out. No mechanical failures. Literally, as McKay would say, "Imagine if you threw the laws of physics out of the window" and made it completely impractical to prevent it at being thrown aside. I understand it's not possible for a true calculation given we don't know the overall distance. I jut wanna' ask how long some of you think it would take before the ZPM X-304 met up with Destiny. We can also go under hte pretense that Destiny is heading on a meeting point with the ZPM X-304 and flying closer to Earth, while inadvertantly continuing the mission to cut some distance.

Oh, and the ZPM's at full power. Not '50'% like the one on Atlantis. We've seen the Daedalus could channel that much energy from the ZPM and the ZPM would still retain a large power reserve, despite it's usage to cover the Pegasus-Milky Way in an alarmingy short time.


You went through the trouble of writing that lengthy post and never received a reply. I'll reply....

I don't have the slightest clue how long it'd take for a ZPM'd Hammond at 100% to get to the Destiny from Earth but I could guess.

Considering how long Destiny has been traveling at its own speeds, if the Hammond were to travel much faster it could still take thousands (or more) of lifetimes to get there.

That leaves us with 3 options:

1. Generation ship.

Convert the Hammond into a generation ship, also known as an ark ship, interstellar ark, or spaceark. Then: wait it out. Eventually, the descendants will reach the Destiny. Alternatively, the original crew could go into stasis, yet the ship would still need to be modified to handle long-term travel, including unforetold conditions and encounters, and the stasis would have to be advanced enough to sustain their bodies over such a long period of time. Even stasis technologies have their shortcomings in these shows. Look at what happened to Weir. After they attain the means to survive the long haul, then they can reach their Destiny.

2. Super wormhole drive.

This is to the "normal" wormhole drive (from SGA) as the supergate (from SG1) is to the stargate. Take the concept of hopping between galaxies via wormhole without a gate on either end, and amplify it to such an extreme that this super wormhole would almost instantaneously send the travelers from Earth to the Destiny. Just as with the above example, this would be a mighty feat, probably much more difficult to attain, yet not impossible. Grab all the scientific geniuses - Carter, McKay, Eli, Rush, Zelenka, one of the ascended Ancients, one of the Nox, one of the remaining Asgard, etc. - then throw them all into a room and task them with figuring out how to make this super wormhole drive work, and they'll figure it out.

3. Time dilation travel.

Think about the effect that the time dilation field had on the Replicators in SG1. They evolved from LEGO-techno-spiders to highly sophisticated humanoid entities in, from the outside observer's perspective, a relatively short period of time. Devise a mobile field, which can contain the Hammond, have the geniuses from the above example do their thing, and they'll figure out how to make it work. This would require the first idea, converting the Hammond into an ark and optionally throwing in the stasis pods. Better yet, do both stasis and generations. The evolving humans would be able to advance technologically, and even ascend. This is a time dilation effect, much more time could pass inside the moving field than is even necessary to travel to the Destiny by conventional means. Millions of years could go by in a single second. As ascended beings, they could then use their combined knowledge and powers to overcome just about anything.

More options:

Combine the above ideas. Put the Hammond inside a mobile time dilation field, and create a super wormhole drive within the time dilation field. The ship probably would not need to be converted into an interstellar ark with stasis chambers, since it'd get to the Destiny in an instant. However, it might still need to be converted into something else, capable of withstanding the combined effects of such colossal tampering with spacetime. For all we know, it might send them to the Destiny before the Destiny left home. It might send the Destiny back to Earth. It might create a permanent bridge in the universe between the two locations, no longer requiring wormholes or FTL travel, actually reshaping the fabric of the universe.

More ideas:

4. Grab a time-traveling puddle jumper, use the time travel platform that Ba'al found, or use another time travel device... better yet, turn the Hammond into a time machine, decked out with a few ZPMs... and just play around with the timeline to "fix" things.

5. Don't do anything. Eventually, the Destiny will reach the end/beginning of the universe and find a solution from that message they found. Eventually, if the human race lives long enough, people will evolve and ascend, then find another solution.

Any of these options could easily require jumping the shark but, hey, the franchise made a habit of it, so no harm in jumping it again.

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