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alegories to jews since the holocaust to this day


what i like in this movie is that it has alot more content than the rest of the comic book movies. and i know i see things others dont because im jewish myself.

i think this movie talks alot abot israel, their culture of remembering the bad things that happened (most of israeli 'holidays' are talking about sad things), be on guard and act before another might hurt a jew again.

for me, the sentences "they were just following orders" and "never again" meant so much to me.
i actually found a bit of rage when hearing "they were just following orders" and when he said "never again" i kind of allowed magneto in my mind to kill them all.

magneto also wanted seclusion from the normal people, the same way israeli jews want to stick together in their own country and protect their own kind from anti-semitism.



while magneto IS a terrorist and i do not justify his ways, i do get his burning desire to kill nazis (which i fully support) and the reason why he wants to protect his people (the mutants) even if it means using excessive violence when not needed.




its amazing how much a super hero movie can talk to me.

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That's nice.

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I'm sure Bryan Singer would be happy to hear this

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Fair point. It is a way to sustain the knowledge of what happened to younger generations who before going to see the film probably have no idea that such an event like the Holocaust occurred.

However mutants and mutant persecution is not just an allegort for the Holocaust, they are an allegory for every genocide and racial war since the beginning of time and a lot of that is still going on today.

We haven't really learned as a species not to invent reasons to kill each other and keeping the focus on the Holocaust is not that helpful. It makes us forget that similar events are still happening today.

But yes, the following orders part is very accurate and I don't think a hundred percent true. It gives them the displacement of guilt that allows the foot soldiers to get away with not being sorry for what they did and not taking any responsibility for their own actions.

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I'd never thought about all the Jewish allegory...EXCEPT THE DOZENS OF TIMES THEY BLATANTLY SMACK YOU IN THE HEAD WITH IT DURING THIS FILM

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Kudos to you for finding meaning in movies. Not to get off track here for a moment, but I had a similar experience when I listened to Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb" after some thousands of times. Oddly, it told me of my journey in life from being a kid, through 32 years of subsequent drug addiction, and my eventual recovery (going on 12 years now).

But back to the topic. I think it was during my reading of the movie trivia that the issue of acceptance/persecution in the X-Men films was more than just about the fictitious mutants and the real-life Holocaust. They were also a parable for the way homosexuals have been treated as well. I know Sir Ian McKlellan, Ellen Page and Anna Paquin came "out of the closet" and their castings could be part of the movement to make all homosexuals feel welcome into a society which has mostly excluded them throughout history.

I'm told by my family elders (admittedly without proof) that I am part Hebrew. But even if I'm not, I object to any sort of ethnic cleansing. But I differ on the homosexual community's methodology of forcing themselves upon our privacy and into our lives. It requires of me a long explanation to state why it is so, but at the end of the day, let's just agree that I don't approve of any discrimination toward them while abhorring not only their lifestyle but their public tactics of intimidation of religious folks which is discriminatory.

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Your post is interesting because in a way it mirrors Lensherr's/Magneto's character with the ideology of the people you claim to represent. Just like Lensherr, they feel that they have been treated so badly, that they simply DESERVE a thousandfold revenge, whether the ones they execute this vengeance on are guilty or completely innocent. Just like Magneto, they adopt the WORST sides of their claimed arch enemy. And like Magneto, they are actually quite sad characters, because in their minds they are actually slaves to the ideas of their said arch enemies.

Thanks for, although unintentionally, bringing light to this.

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