I wish Magneto didn't kill those people at the bar
Especially the innocent bartender. It would've made the scene where he kills Shaw and his whole character arc so much more powerful.
shareThe men in the bar weren't innocent boy scouts. The two men sitting down were Nazis, probably personally responsible for killing Jews. The bartender was possibly complicit, even if only a Nazi sympathizer. He did pull a gun, which shows intent and makes him fair game.
That said, I get what you're saying; him killing Shaw could have been more of a tipping point, going to the "dark side" if you will, from a storytelling point.
The bar patrons probably did deserve to die, but not the bartender. We don't know anything about him, but neither did Magneto. He could've killed a completely innocent man for all he knew. And pulling a gun on him was self defense, since he'd just stabbed a guy. Self defense also constitutes the defense of another person. But he didn't even try to shoot him, he just told him to freeze, he was probably just going to call the cops.
sharehe was probably just going to call the cops.
Here's the problem with saying that. You are just making that up, which means that everyone else is free to make things up.
So, we can make up that the bartender was a Nazi at a concentration camp as well. Not one of the guards Erik was going after, but a concentration camp guard none the less.
And, if he wasn't, then he most certainly was not only interested, but quite proud of what the guards had done to the Jews.
I know what you are trying to say, but when you go with "probably", then you skew the whole discussion. share
I said "probably", because if he wanted to shoot him, it's more likely he would've done it instantly. People generally don't hold people at gunpoint and say "don't move" just to shoot them ten seconds later. If Magneto killed him before he pulled his gun, I'd have no basis to make that claim.
It's very possible he was a Nazi or Nazi sympathiser, but my point is Magneto didn't know and there's no evidence to suggest he was or wasn't, so he could've killed an innocent man.
Could have been innocent, but he could have been waiting just a second before he freaked and shot. Or, he could have tried to pull the trigger but Erik had the metal under his control.
I'm not trying to bust you balls, just warning you about making things up in support of your point.
I think if he was trying to pull the trigger he wouldn't have said "don't move". Maybe he was about to shoot him, but if he was it would've been completely justified. But of course we can't have Magneto die halfway through the movie, so what he should've done was move the knife into his leg, although I think the bar scene shouldn't have happened at all.
By the way I'm not saying I have a problem with Magneto doing bad things, I just wish he didn't do them before he killed Shaw.
I understand what you're saying, and agree, but I don't think I'm making anything up. I'm not trying to say anything is objective fact, we're both just making speculations based on the evidence provided in the movie.
"I think if he was trying to pull the trigger he wouldn't have said "don't move""
There is a problem with your argument, you are assuming that movie characters, especially comic book movie characters, but others as well behave rationally or in a realistic manner.
Unless your movie taste is extremely niche in a way that you only really watch and like super realistic real-life sort of movies and X-Men the First Class is the only exception so far
I have to note something you probably should've known already.
(I'm not trying to be condescending, honest, it's just that the argument of realism in movies, especially movies like this is kinda funny... but I'm often guilty of something similar too, I argue realistic behaviour in Fantasy setting games sometimes)
In movies, in situations like this, the chartacters whether good guys or bad tend to behave very stupidly. If you have a normal action movie collection for example I urge you to go through it and just try to count the scenes where the good guy had the bad guy dead to rights or vice versa and should've shot but didn't for some extremely stupid reason
(there are many movies were the good guy may have even been a cop or something similar and you could argue procedure, but looking at the problems it would've solved you could see that it would've been worth it, even if the cop/whatever got into trouble from it).
I guarantee you are bound to lose count.
This applies to Magneto in that bar too. If he would've behaved rationally he would've killed them in a manner that didn't leave him dead to rights for that shotgun
(of course his magnetic shield probably could protect him, but still).
In the words of Tuco from The Good, The Bad and the Ugly
(after he had just survived an encounter such as that)
"When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk"
Anyway These movies are rarely about moral greyness in such things
(yes X-Men does have symbolism with sexual minorities etc and other such stuff, but in this case unnlikely). We can argue was it right that Magneto killed those guys in the bar without trial and for purely vengeance even if they had been Hitler, Mengele, Bohrman, Göring, and Eichmann, but I think that in such a simple movie (and I'm not using simple as a derriding term here, I like the simplicity of most comic book movies)
it is pretty safe to assume that the barkeep was just as guilty as the other guys or at least complicit, and definatelyw as gonna shoot.