The definitive Eyre


I wonder if Orson Welles's Jane Eyre remains the definitive one, much as, for me, no one yet can quite top Basil Rathbone's Sherlock.

Both favorites have been done over and over but it is somewhat of a surprise to me that I see Jane Eyre having only been done once as a movie before Welles's according to IMDb. Appropriately, it was British. I was not unhappy with the other versions I have seen of Jane Eyre, even the one with William Hurt who, as memory serves, didn't make much of an effort to adopt a British accent. Do you have a favorite incarnation of this movie?

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Is there any significance in the fact that, after calling your post The definitive Eyre, you go on to name two actors who each played Rochester?! Poor Jane, always overshadowed by an OTT leading man! Lol.

Do you mean definitive/favourite cinematic versions of Jane Eyre? Of those readily available (and worthy of serious consideration), there have only been three movies released in cinemas (1943, 1996 & 2011). There have been a few two-hour TV movies ('70 and '97 are ones you can still buy), and numerous TV serialised versions (notably '73, '83 and 2006). Much to choose from and each meritorious in it's way. I'm constantly amazed at how, in each incarnation, the actors emphasize different facets of the two main characters!

I'm not sure if any of them are definitive. Even the esteemed 1943 movie leaves out chunks of the book, and contains enough ham to make a substantial sandwich! This film (2011) makes a valiant attempt at fitting in all the book but, nonetheless, it feels very rushed (and I hate it's emphasis on doom, gloom and misery).

My favourite versions, although you need the time to watch them, are the serialised adaptations. They may not have the big budgets, but they do the book justice in covering the many plotlines and themes. So, in the end, you have a more satisfying experience! (My personal favourite is the 2006 mini.)



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I thought I'd let Supergran have the first whack at the "definitive" question - there's a lot she says that I'm in agreement with. The definition of "definitive" is that it's something that's basically the final statement on some matter, where there no longer is any room for argument or adjustment in the subject at hand - in other words, it's the final, complete expression. Looking at "Jane Eyre" I don't personally feel there is any one version that is absolutely final (and I hope there never will be). Since there is so much to the book, so many angles, perspectives and insights, besides all the lengthy, nuts and bolts of the narrative, I think that "Jane Eyre" is a work that can be approached many different ways, focusing on different aspects - much like Shakespeare, where his greatest works have received countless interpretations over the centuries, and still inspire new versions (Michael Fassbender has filmed a new Macbeth that will be released next year). I've enjoyed the Orson Welles, Joan Fontaine "Jane" since I was a child, although it very much has a time stamp on it stylistically - it's extremely melodramatic, with a Rochester that practically crushes Jane with his glowering and overwrought posturing, but still I enjoy it for what it is, it's beautiful. It's true that in order to cover as much of the details of the story as possible, it requires more time than what is available in a two hour film, so from that point a mini-series, such as the 2006 one, can cover more narrative ground. But for me, the highly cinematic approach to "Jane" taken in this 2011 feature film, with it's focus on keeping true to the original poetic language, combined with naturalistic acting, is what rings my bell. I see this film as having a different "voice" (but one I experience in the book), and possessing different strengths than other versions I've seen - I think it will not appear dated for a long time to come, I don't see a time stamp on it, like I do with many other versions. But that is me and my taste. I'm really interested to see what the next version of "Jane Eyre" looks like, and I'm sure there will be one. Hopefully, it will capture some other aspect of the story and shine some new light on the classic. What makes a classic is that it's a work that stands up over time and can be applied and interpreted in different eras, as seen by the spirit of that age. Jane Eyre is a classic.

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I thought I'd let Supergran have the first whack...


I just can't help myself!




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I love the Timothy Dalton version. It is emotionally wrenching and quite true to the novel. Dalton is perhaps too handsome as Rochester, but he masters the imperious attitude, the pride, and the tortured soul. The actress who plays Jane is just plain enough to be perfect, and she exemplifies the strength that I always imagined Jane embodying. That being said, the 2011 movie was excellent. I thought I wouldn't like the reordered storytelling in the beginning, but they make this work and Mia is very good as Jane, if not a bit too attractive. Michael Fassbender is also very good as Rochester and I thought he did tortured very well. My only real gripe with the film was the abrupt ending. I don't really like they way they handled that. Nonetheless, very worthwhile and it pulled me immediately.

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I've always liked Timothy Dalton, he definitely made for a matinee idol Rochester, but he's an excellent actor. I think many female viewers of Jane Eyre were willing to compromise in this area.

"I thought I wouldn't like the reordered storytelling in the beginning, but they make this work"

I thought it worked beautifully, although when I first the 2011 version I didn't know it was going to take that approach - it took me by surprise.

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I loved that approach to pieces. Not only was that my favorite part in the book, it shook things up a little and got the audience involved right away (why's she so distressed? where's she running from?). It would've been too cliche to start it right from the beginning. Cary directed the whole production like aces, working wonders despite the time constraints.


You four-eyed psycho.

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"Cary directed the whole production like aces, working wonders despite the time constraints."

I couldn't agree more. I see this film version as in some ways more restrained, but, at the same time, more bold than others. Fukunaga started out as a cinematographer (he's also a student of literature and history) and he's one talented director. His "Jane Eyre" seems to combine his root influences in a really beautiful and thoughtful way. For me he authentically recreates the era, in a very detailed way, and the film achieves naturalism, but also has an elevated style. I appreciate that, unlike some versions of J.E., they don't attempt to make it more approachable to a contemporary audience by modernizing the language, and then combining that with a more theatrical style of acting in order to express the poetic, "old-school" vibe. Instead the language is poetic and antique but the acting is subtle, naturalistic and contemporary - nothing is overripe. The restructuring works beautifully for me, and helps solve some problems that feature length versions of the story have had in the past. But I also think it's a fresh approach that really connects to art of the Romantic Era. Here's an interesting interview with Carey Fukunaga which includes a video where Mia talks about her director making her stay in a haunted room.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/cary-fukunaga-talks-the-generos ity-between-michael-fassbender-mia-wasikowska-in-jane-eyre

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I've nothing against restructuring a story, and the use of flashback can be extremely effective. As SwingBatta (hi!) says, the audience is involved immediately and curiosity is piqued.

My problem is where 2011 decided to position the flashback. By starting the film where Jane is running away from Thornfield, we see her at her lowest ebb. We have no idea why she is running away, and we don't discover the reason until some way through the film. We have no way of appreciating the tremendous will and courage it took for Jane to extricate herself from a situation of enormous temptation. We see no feisty heroine. All we see is a desolate victim. And, coming at the beginning, it sets the tone for the entire film. Well, for me, at least.






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Well, I don't think we have to know all the "whys" immediately (at least many of us don't), we see that develop later, and then later we can appreciate her great will and courage, and then the beginning of the film gains resonance and significance through repetition. The film is structured in a non-linear way, so it will jump back and forth between different times. This approach has a link to music, where a primary theme is introduced at the start, and then referred to, re-worked, and finally it's ultimate significance is stated and understood. And, of course, the tone of the film is something we see differently. For me the film taps into much more than what I would identify merely as gloom or desolation, it reflects much of human searching for connection, feelings of isolation, loneliness and longing. These are motivations and feelings that I consider to be a driving force in the story. There most certainly are dark, foreboding and sinister undercurrents in the film - there are parts that are eerie, extremely Gothic, haunted and describing what's emotionally hidden. The thing is that I found those same elements in Bronte, too (a touch of the Moors) and they are very much a part of the Romantic Era sensibility in art. The score also reinforces this and makes use of an almost spectral sounding choir. There are strong Gothic elements in the film and I see these as reflecting the romantic temperment of the period. The great artists of that period, like Bronte, had a temperment that was excited by mystery - it listened more intently to the individual conscience than to the demands of society, and, at it's heart, it was rebellious. What is problematic for you is a strength for me, so it's understandable that we have different reactions to different versions of "Jane Eyre". I would say that Carey Fukunaga is very knowing when it comes to capturing this aspect of Bronte and the spirit of her age.

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Please take this in the spirit in which it is intended -- to improve communications and have better conversations and absolutely not as an insult. But I simply have to say that my middle-aged eyes have a lot of trouble reading your posts because of the lack of paragraphs. It really makes me not want to read what you have to say, and I know you do have interesting things to say (even when I don't agree with you, you make me think, and that's a good thing).

That said, I do disagree with you about beginning this film with the flashback. Maybe that's why I have very little use for this particular adaptation. I was put off from the get-go.

My personal favorites are the 1983 and 2006 versions. Even though 2006 takes a lot of liberties with the text (see the bedroom scene), I still love it to pieces. I think that Ruth Wilson was excellent as Jane, and I don't remember ever seeing Toby Stephens give a bad performance.

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No problem. Usually when I write my posts it's in a kind of rapid mental flow, and sometimes I don't even look back on what I've written. I'll try to remember to break it up a bit if it's of any length. If I'm putting out an idea that interests you at all (even if you don't agree)I don't want to make it any more difficult to digest than it needs to be.

Last week I watched the 1943 "Jane Eyre" with Orson Welles and Joan Fontaine. Of course, I'd really enjoyed it when I first saw it as a child. I now found it difficult to watch, despite some of its strengths - particularly after having watched the 2011 version multiple times. Talk about taking liberty with the text and melodramatic - I wasn't able to finish it. Still, it is what it is, and it reflects the sensibility of the era in which it was produced. There are different "Jane Eyres" for different tastes and different generations.

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Thank you for understanding.

As for the 1943 version, I liked it when I first saw it, but that's because I hadn't yet read the book. Once I read the book, it didn't appeal to me quite as much anymore.

Have you seen the 1970 version? It's got George C. Scott as Rochester and Susannah York as Jane. Yes, she's too old and too pretty, but I actually like this version. Unfortunately, they do leave out the fact that the Rivers siblings are her cousins. But, given the time in which it was made (and the fact that it's not even 2 hours long), it does a pretty good job of giving us the basic story. If you can't find it on DVD, it's available at the Internet Archive (here: https://archive.org/details/JaneEyre70), along with the [unintentionally] hilarious 1934 (here: https://archive.org/details/JaneEyre34) and 1949 (here: https://archive.org/details/StudioOneJaneEyre) versions.

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I've only seen it once, and it was many years ago. I think I enjoyed it at the time, especially George C. Scott, who I usually do appreciate. I'll try to seek it out once again when I have the chance. And a movie isn't a book, so I always expect that there will be differences, alterations or things left out. Hopefully, the film can capture the spirit of the book but also establish it's own particular take on the story, it's own reason for being - but a film is a different kind of beast, it's not a novel.

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Very true.

But the fact that the Riverses are her cousins and the fact that Jane herself is an heiress are important to the story. To leave them out shows me that the adapters didn't really understand the story Charlotte was trying to tell.

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We know, We know, you don't like this version - you much prefer the melodramatic masterpiece theater version - I think we get it. If anyone is obsessed enough with viewing different Jane Eyre films, or tv shows, with a sense of competition, they could poke holes in any one of them, based on some particular measuring stick that they choose to use to beat the competitor. Personally, I wouldn't waste my time trying to diminish yours or anyone's favorite - I could, but what purpose does it serve, it would be a waste of my time. Whether you like it or not, this 2011 version will live on, and for very good reasons, which it seems you don't perceive.

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Nearly four years later and still these long, winded posts about why the 2011 version is inferior?


You four-eyed psycho.

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"Nearly four years later and still these long, winded posts about why the 2011 version is inferior?"

LOL. I know, it's a negative obsession and it's actually getting kind of creepy.

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LOL. I know, it's a negative obsession and it's actually getting kind of creepy.


You're probably right. Time to move on.

I've deleted my post.



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