Question about Silver in season 5 - 90210 (2008) Discussion

[–] Larsii90 8 years ago

No, apparently the writers missed the part of giving us viewers any explaination at all to what she is doing with her life or how she supports herself. Everything related to the baby was probably paid by Teddy though, but there are still some plotholes to that. Regardless, everything that happened to Silver after S3 was ridiculous. 1: Silver and Navid lives together in the shed right after graduation, and have Navid's one year younger sister live with them, and make it seem like they are 30 year olds dealing with a teenager. 2: she works for a little while for Navid, then a production worker on Liam's movie. After that, who knows? 3: she is desperate to get a baby at 20 years old just because she might get cancer. Granted she did in the end, but she could have seriously just freezed her eggs! 4: she sleeps with all her best friends ex boyfriends, and they don't care. The list goes on and on. Silver should have gone so NYU after S3 or S4, like Ivy went away

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[–] vinylsky 8 years ago

I remember Teddy demanding that she paid half of the expenses when they were meeting with his lawyer.

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[–] sarahbbbyyy 8 years ago

Is it not interesting that Silver became the equivalent of her sister Kelly from the original season 2 onward? I mean, let's keep it real. Her character has been going downhill ever since Rebecca Sinclair changed her character to the point where she became a self-righteous, egotistical jackass, which is a completely different direction from the anti-popular/girly girl who did things her way and not the way another person told her to do things. Yes, Rebecca made a lot of amazing changes, especially with Annie and Naomi's characters and they changed the entire tone to the show by making the production and cinematography(and the CLOTHES) more modern, sexy, and brilliantly expensive, also keeping the consistency with the more interesting story lines from the end of Season 1(which she also had the majority to do with considering the shaky beginning of the series) but she very much changed some of the core characters to bland, more obnoxious versions of themselves. Navid got more of a central role by being Adrianna's boyfriend but he also became incredibly pigheaded and immature ongoing in the entire second season. I mean, do you guys remember how he bragged to his friends about losing his virginity to Adrianna and saying things like "She could not keep her hands off of me, she was like 'I want you, Navid' and I gave her what she wants." For a guy who claims he loves his girlfriend, he was incredibly disrespectful towards Adrianna, even if she was cheating, which he did not know about at the time. His change, however is the least drastic and is not nearly as noticeable. Liam was not the sexy, seductive bad boy he was when he was first introduced and became almost whiny as time went on and more of a wuss. He was constantly sad throughout season 2 and always complained, blaming others for when his life was screwed up. Adrianna became incredibly ditsy, unintelligent, and not nearly the exteriorly tough and fearless girl(even though scared on the inside) she was in Season 1. Her characterizations were the most scrambled of any character. Ivy had a very normal growth, no matter annoying she got because it was understandable considering she lost a husband to cancer.

I personally think they should have done a skip the college years because not only could they not pull of the storylines but the actors looked far too old for the parts they were playing anyways and it was becoming far more obvious when the show moved to Season 4. The story lines were very much adult anyway.

The #1 you put is so spot on and could not stop bothering me. The whole Silver and Navid taking her care of her little sister who is only supposed to be a year younger. It would have only made sense if they skipped college years because she is supposed to be almost the same age and since girls mature faster, she is supposed to be far more sophisticated than her brother anyway. It was getting really old. Silver should have been best friends with her, not treating her like she was a kid when she was a kid as well. Navid was all grounding her and he is only 18, like what? Everything about that story line did not make sense and I could not get more annoyed throughout the entire thing.

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[–] Larsii90 8 years ago

K, so basically you are an extention of my own brain. Agree with everything you wrote!! S1 Silver is the real and best Silver. The other one just got worse and worse. My favorites are Annie and Naomi as I see them as the leads and are the best characters overall. Liam is just... awful, along with Silver. Dixon is awful, Adrianna is awful... awful. Since S2 and 3 were so good I really had high hopes them handling college, but they failed miserably. I had an off feeling already in the season 4 premiere. They were all supposed to be about 20 then, and they were all acting like they were in their mid 20s to 30s, with their careers and insane personal drama. They could have done it really cool with more real college storylines, but we never even saw them in class. And I don't even know who is and isn't in college after half of season 4. And when they're not in high school or college together, the show just don't really have a plot or premise anymore.

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[–] sarahbbbyyy 8 years ago

I am new at this message board thing, so I did not know i had to check it for the messages, lol

Anyways, yeah I agree with a lot of what you said. So, Silver was never my favorite. I forgot why I never liked her but the different person she became in season 2 is what I hate more because I absolutely HATE self righteousness and people who never face repercussions for their terrible actions, so they always think they do nothing wrong. She was not the same character, just the same actor. The writers just completely transformed every single of them negatively with the exception of Naomi and Annie. I do not like Shenae Grimes' portrayal and I do feel that Annie can be self righteous herself but people do not give her enough credit and how much better she has gotten.

Can you believe people actually like Liam? Is it because he is hot or because of the character he was in the first season? I mean, he was just terrible but I guess I understood the appeal just a little bit from Season 1. However, there was nothing good about him after that. The way he let Annie get harassed at school by not confessing and then they dated after? I mean, really? When he and Naomi got together, they were so uninteresting and cheesy/stupid. He was such a massive whiny jerk all the time and always blaming and attacking people who did not do him any harm. He just always blames others for everything wrong with his life.

Dixon is my LEAST favorite character. When I am in a relationship with a guy, I respect him and men in general but I have to say, he is a pussy and a bitch. He has no respect for others, acts like a whiny child, and he is incredibly rude to everyone else around him. I mean, I forgot what I can not stand about him at the moment but I hate him so much and I do not think he deserves to be happy with anyone. I mean, talk about a useless, unlikable character.

Navid is the only one who is kind of okay. I mean, I do not like Naomi and all of the characters in general but she is definitely better than most of them. I just got a bad taste in my mouth after the way she treated Annie. It is a bad message to send out to young girls and she just got away with being horrible to her. It was just not okay to me.

I actually did not dislike Adrianna but she became too different in every season. I mean, season 3 I could not take the writing of her character seriously, so I did not hate her because it was a little too far fetched and unbelievable. I thought I was watching a Disney Channel movie or a cartoon. Anyways, she is just weirdly written. While the other characters just become more immature as time goes on, she just changes her complete personality. It is so strange and now, it is hard to pin point who Adrianna really is. It is sad because she was the most well written character in Season 1 and Jessica Lowndes is brilliant. They could have done so much better with her but they made her useless and a villain. They could have used her weaknesses as making her more relatable to the audience.

Season 2 and 3 were definitely a major improvement and were good for teen drama standards but the transformation of the majority of the characters was definitely a step backwards. However, no one noticed because the writing and production(and the CLOTHES) got better! I agree that they did a bad job with the college years. However, since the actors were getting ridiculously old looking(because they are old), I think it would have been best for a flash forward four years after college to make it more realistic and not have all the characters go to the same college because that would be too over the top. Then, they would have not failed miserably at college story lines and just moved onto the more mature story lines. I mean, because the actors looked as old as they did, the college story lines on campus in general was too unnatural and not very well written anyway. They can not have them act like normal teenagers in college because they did not look it.

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[–] paranoja 8 years ago

Didn't she supposedly live with Kelly, just that Kelly was suddenly kept off screen?

In other words: poor writing.

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[–] Larsii90 8 years ago

Yeah, it's very poor writing. Makes me question if the writers just purposely write those characters off and think we're too dumb to question it, or they are just bad writers... Kelly wasn't even there in s3 when Silver got her second bipolar breakdown, was not there when she was testing her cancer gene, not there when Silver was going through her legal/pregnancy issues with Teddy etc etc. And they still keep Silver living in her garage, with no kitchen, so she would have to use the house and interract with Kelly so that DOESN'T MAKE SENSE(!!!)

And what about Harry and Debbie? Harry was a great dad, and then he is barely mentioned after S2 like he's dead, and never seen (I know I know the actor quit, but they handled the departure of that character horribly), and Debbie only showed up once, when Dixon was at the hospital, and Lori Laughlin's acting was just horrible. Not remotely like Debbie at all. And what about when Annie got shot?? NO ONE except Dixon from her family comes to visit her?? My Mom would have find a way to teleport to me if it happened in real life. They're supposed to be late teenagers/barely young adults. In the real world, normal parents are still very involved in their kids lives at that age. And yes I know it's Beverly Hills... distant parents and all that, which is fine for characters where that is adressed, like Naomi's parents. But Annie and Dixon's parents going from so loving and involved to treated as dead or the most careless parents ever??

Final straw... slightly different topic: when Silver had slept with every guy in her own circle... none of the girls comment or even raise an eyebrow, even taking it so far as having Silver discuss the issue, about Liam, and sex with Liam, with his recent ex, her best friend, and she doesn't even care??!!! What the hell were they thinking?? If I were one of those actors at the reading table, I would have called that out as incredibly unrealistic and dumb.

Allright Im done. Sorry for the rant

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[–] sarahbbbyyy 8 years ago

I feel like a lot of the problems though are very common in teen dramas, except for the whole Silver not having any of her friends raise an eyebrow after her dating all of their boyfriends. First Ethan, which both Naomi and Annie did not have a problem with and then Liam? I mean, obviously Adrianna sent naked pictures after the Navid incident but none of the group of friends would have been cool with it, no matter how ridiculous Adrianna was acting from her sudden fame.

There are some flaws of this show that shove it beneath most teen drama shows like the interaction between the group of friends. How come not only do they always date each other but they always switch friends all the time? Most people have one best friend and then the other friends, they hang out with all equally but on this show, it always switches. No show does that.

First, Silver has a past with Naomi but because of awful circumstances, found a new best friend from a person who moved to Beverly Hills, Annie. Then, she starts to gradually become friends with Naomi again, which is fine but suddenly Season 2 hits and she completely abandons Annie in her time of need? I mean, Annie had a drink thrown at her face at the party, which is why she was so enraged and called in the party to the police(anyone would have done that, especially teenagers). She was harassed and bullied for crying out loud and yet Silver took Naomi's side? Really? Just because she had to spend a few months in summer school? Even if she was angry, she did not have to be friends with Naomi again. Then, she found out about the naked picture and again, she takes Naomi's side because Annie had the audacity to be a bitch back to Naomi for wrongfully treating her like a slut?

People hate Annie just because she stooped to Naomi's level but Naomi deserved it. She can not be a doormat to a person who ruined her life and is being a bitch to her.

Anyway's I went off topic. Silver supposedly had been friends with Naomi her whole life but Naomi has always been best friends with Adrianna her whole life, yet Silver only acted like her and Naomi were best friends. So, her friendship with Ade was not really clarified all that much. So, during Season 2, Naomi spends mostly with Silver and vise versa. By Season 3, Naomi almost forgets Adrianna exists, so the only one who acts like her friend is Silver? Why is that? Then, Naomi only interacts with Annie during Season 4 and 5, not talking to Silver all that much and barely says one word to Adriannna and they do even make up or interact at all until the end of Season 5. They did not show Naomi being pissed over the pill swapping situation. Everyone else on the show reacted but her during those seasons and they did not even have a formal heart to heart about it, even though they were the core best friends from the beginning. Then, again Silver only interacts with Adrianna, while Annie is friends with Naomi when she was first friends with Silver. It is very random. They all should spend equal time together with emphasis on one friendship being stronger than the one that character has with others.

When it comes to the romance areas, I think all shows have stooped to the level of having all the friends date each other but one of my biggest pet peeves again that stoops it lower than most teen dramas is the lack of build up in the relationships. People are obsessed with Annie and Liam. I can not really love a couple until I see them together often and actually have some romantic scenes where you see the chemistry and the connection between them. Even Gossip Girl, the heartless show with frenemies all over the place set up these relationships where you see the intimacy being played out in front of us. I mean, since we are watching a TV show, we should be able to see the relationships unfold and became the level of excitement and love they are when they interact in public. I get it if we were just watching a random couple make out on a street but not on television where we have to connect with the couple as much as they show that they do with each other. Most shows have boring couples with one epic couple and this show is no different. However, Annie and Liam deserve to be an actual couple without really stupid obstacles that make me feel I am watching Boy Meets World or some other kids show. I mean, they started dating and suddenly are planning their futures together when Liam oh so suddenly decides to not go to college, and omg, their plans are ruined. It was very lame and I could not connect to it, especially since they were barely even a couple full out for us to see. Silver and Navid are boring as hell but still felt more complex than a couple we are supposed to care about more.

Sorry, my HUGE RANT over!

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[–] Larsii90 8 years ago

I have definitely noticed and thought about the badly written relationships between the girls, how they switch best friends and act nothing like best friends towards eachother (like not holding anyone responsible for anything). I have to say, Ade and Naomi's friendship totally made sense in s1 as they were both popular bad girls. I figure Naomi and Silver were best friends as kids, but stopped being friends after Naomi exposed the secret about Silver's parents. She probably then became better friends with Adrianna in their early teens. Thats when they started partying and experimentet with drugs, which Ade didn't get out of. But what does not make sense is how Ade is treated like more of an aquantance to Naomi after S3. There's barely any interaction, and same with Silver and Naomi. Season 4 is almost nothing, and S5 is literally close to nothing at all. Naomi is not even there for any of Silver's cancer or baby making drama, which just weird. Nothing happened between them, so they should have been best friends. I love Naomi and Annie as best friends, but real people CAN have more, really close friends. I just bring it down to bad writing...

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[–] Larsii90 8 years ago

Forgot to add something, which is just a plot hole: in the S3 finale, where Adrianna is talking to the ghost of Javier (or whatever) she says to him that her and Silver have been friends since they were kids. That can't be true. In S1 it looks like they barely know eachtoher, and only starts hanging out through Naomi as their shared best friend. I guess it's possible they were friends as kids and drifted apart when Adrianna's pursued her acting, but it still doesn't make sense to me, and again seems like bad writing

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[–] sarahbbbyyy 8 years ago

I feel like all of the friendships in Season 1 made perfect sense. When Adrianna and Silver interacted in those episodes, it looked like they just became that and were slowly developing into being more than just acquaintances but to claim to be best friends since they were little is so over the top because they did not act like it nor did the writers give us that.

Oh yeah, I understand how Silver and Naomi's friendship ended but it still would not make sense how Adrianna was also not part of that equation. They should have been more specific in the beginning, like saying that Adrianna stuck with Naomi and so Silver stopped being friends with her too. They should have made it clear that they were also friends from the beginning and create a conflict between them as well, even if minor.

I mean, Naomi and Annie are great but their friendship does not make sense given their past and it also does not make sense why Annie and Silver did not stay close since they have more in common and were best friends in the beginning of the show. Most of our friendships in high school consist of the people we met in during that time rather than childhood because childhood friends kind of happen as a little kid when you are very unaware of your interests whereas as a teenager, you choose friends based on connection and chemistry.

The male friendships were similar but ultimately were written a tad better since the interaction that they all had seemed similar to how guys interact in general but it would be nice to see how deep Liam's connection is to both Navid and Dixon individually because the only consistent best friends in the group of boys is Dixon and Navid. We at least have one friendship that is mostly consistent. However, they had become the most minor characters out of all the main ones, so we do not care about them as much as the others. It would have been nice to see Liam and Dixon's friendship deeper especially since they do look close but ultimately are still part of the group of four.

I do agree that Naomi and Silver not interacting at all was just weird and so was Naomi and Adrianna. It just did not make sense that they were best friends and suddenly stopped talking. If anyone was going to give Adrianna the cold shoulder for what she did to Silver, it would be Silver, then Naomi, so it is weird that they seemed more like strangers than ex-best friends with unresolved issues. I mean, in real life, Naomi would be suffering for the loss of her friend after that incident but she did not even care about her after that.

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[–] ithinkimdeck 8 years ago

Silver's wealth, while never directly explained, makes sense. Mel and Jackie were reasonably wealthy. Mel was a dentist and Jackie was a former model. There was money in the family, no doubt. Silver, without a doubt inherited a portion of her mother's money, whilst another portion went to Kelly, who supports Silver financially anyway. That, and Mel would be paying child support and probably giving Silver money for college and such.

Point being is, Silver had rich parents. My friends had no idea how I was living the lifestlye I was before my parents cut me off in my early twenties either. You don't need to know, and that's ok.

What doesn't make sense? Naomi's wealth. Assuming she didn't get any money from her parents other than her trust fund, that's not a big enough pile of cash to support Naomi's obscenely extravagant lifestyle. I mean, she literally throws a party on every episode in the last 2 seasons and is constantly buying stuff. Plus her house, at least 5-7 million if not more. She didn't rent that house either, she said she bought it. I remember Jen saying her trust fund was in the lower millions, maybe even just 1 million, possibly 3. Now, it IS possible Naomi made wise investments and simply skims off the top of those investments, but it's hard to say.

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[–] Larsii90 8 years ago

It's actually only one line from Jen in season 1 that completely ruins and discredits Naomi's wealth: when Jen is dating Ryan, she says to him that she spent her entire trust fund of 1 million in just a couple months. There is no way Naomi could have gotten a lot more than her, and for Naomi's lifestyle post S3, 1 million is nothing. If they didn't mention that 1 million, we could all just assume that Naomi's trust fund was endless and not care that much, but the 1 million makes sense. Remember Naomi's God awful house in S1? Didn't scream million dollar mantion to me. We only saw her living extremely living with extreme wealth in the giant house she shared with Jen, and then the house she had in the last 2 seasons (that I love btw) haha

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[–] sarahbbbyyy 8 years ago

It was a house in Beverly Hills. Even with the smallest square footage, it would cost over 1 million dollars. Obviously, she would not pay all cash because #1, she does not have all of it and #2, then she would not be able to afford anything else. If she put a down payment on the house and just got a loan from the bank(I do not know if they would give it to her since she does not have a consistent income but if her trust fund was big, maybe), then she would just have to pay a certain amount every month that she can probably afford if she really does have like you said, a million dollars in her trust. I do not know how though that a million dollars worth of a trust fund will still qualify anyone to buy any of the houses she bought with her entire money. Plus, her and her sister spend money like crazy. I mean, remember when she gave Jen 100,000 dollars for her divorce proceedings(which she then spent on a horse)? Yeah, so her trust fund really does not make any sense regardless. It would give her probably a really nice loft in Beverly Hills or maybe secure a place in a hotel for her life until she can actually earn money on her own.

Damn, Naomi's whole life does not make any sense. I mean, her mom disappears and leaves her daughter after a divorce? Her father ends up getting scared of Jen to the point where she neglects her daughter and gives her all her money? It is all confusing. Her family story is boring and unrealistic. They could have created a better family life and story for her because hers is one of the worst of the bunch. Are we supposed to feel sympathy for her or laugh at how ridiculous it all is? You decide, lol

Do you notice that they never mention even an existence of Adrianna's father. Well, Naomi brought up that Adrianna's father walked out on them when she was arguing with Adrianna to get an abortion... "her mother is blah blah blah and her father walked out, so she has no options blah blah blah" Nothing before or after. It was just a stab at Adrianna at how she is not "qualified" for raising a baby, not exactly a legit plot point or even continuity that concerns an existence of Adrianna's dad and who he is to her as a parent.

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[–] Larsii90 8 years ago

Yep, you are 100% right. It's actually kind of a shame how poorly made Naomi's family history is. Seing how she has the most screwed up family, that could have been the basis for great storylines for here, but her parents are basically gone and not mentioned after S1. I would like to see Naomi have more real life struggles, especially with money and worked harded on creating a life for herself. She started the event planning business, which actually was a great idea, but I felt that, that too was just abandoned and it became all about the man she was dating at the time...

Regarding Adrianna's dad if didn't bother me too much. Seing how her Mom practically forced her to take acting jobs to pay her bills, I figured her Dad bailed on them, and she had to pick up his slack. But that too could have been great storylines if they didn't just drop that too after S1. I guess S1 was the only season that got some of the parent/family issues right. Exluding Ivy's storyline with her Dad, which was not too bad.

Overall, a loot of missed opportunities with this show. Even by the series end they're supposed to be 20-21, where in real life parents are still very involved in their kids life. I think Gossip Girl for example did that a lot better, where parents were also important characters

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[–] sarahbbbyyy 8 years ago

Actually, Adrianna's dad not being mentioned bothered me more only because Adrianna has so many issues beyond just drugs. She has problems with intimacy and relationships. She is incredibly cold and heartless sometimes, emotionless; sometimes she can be too overemotional. Her mom and acting definitely more to do with that than anything but why does she think of men as disposable is the question. I mean, why would she give up on her relationship with Dixon so easily and cheat on him without question(well, she did question it but it was very easy for her to fall into that guy Taylor's arms because she has absolutely NO willpower). I mean, Dixon was horrible to her in my opinion but she still makes the wrong choices like stripping at that one event she had to sing for Dixon after they broke up or again, lower herself to cheating AGAIN. They have literally turned her into a robot with no feeling. I mean, we know Silver's background because of the original show, we know Annie, Dixon Naomi, Navid, and even Liam and Ivy's parents. Those two are more minor as characters than Adrianna and yet she barely gets any attention or light on her situation with her father. It is weird considering how lonely the girl is and how many problems she has.

So, maybe Naomi's problems are unrealistic and her family problems just seemed very rushed(which you already know I have a problem with). However, we at least know something about her, even if it is terrible writing and character development.

Yeah Ivy's story with her dad was definitely shocking for me that the writers would go there for much a more minor character in a season where they barely cared about the parents all that much, so at least that was impressive. Still though, we even know about Liam's dad and we are supposed to assume that this teenage girl gets mega famous and no one in her family responds, so when she gets in trouble for let's say switching her friends pills, she only has her friends that she had already lost? It is like they are trying to make her into a completely defenseless person with no one to go to and it's get tiresome.

I do not agree though that Naomi seems to have the most screwed family. To me, they are just dysfunctional. Liam, Dixon(when it comes to his old parents or mom), and Silver seem to have more severe problems. Again, Naomi's problems seemed unrealistic and even before when they were a little more easy to process, her dad cheating on her mom is really not nearly as bad as an abusive step father and a mother with an alcohol problem.

I get that Naomi is popular now but in the beginning of Season 1, she was so annoying. She whined about the dumbest things. I mean, Adrianna had way bigger problems yet Naomi is upset because "Ethan and I broke up, my parents are getting a divorce, my whole world is basically a disaster" It is like honey, that is normal teenage girl problems and your friend has to fend for herself and her single mother by taking acting jobs where she gets sexually harassed and forced to be treated like an adult. Yeah, your parents getting a divorced is a much bigger deal, like girl give me a break. She was so irritating during that time.

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[–] Larsii90 8 years ago

Ok... I surrender. Your analysis is very good. Better than mine lol. When you come out with a teen show, perfectly made, let me know! Haha

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[–] sarahbbbyyy 8 years ago

Knowing as much about me as you do already, you know it will be! lol JK I know it is hard to make a show like this but it seems that they settle because they do not take the audience(teenagers) seriously enough. Hopefully, someone does better on a show like this in the future.

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