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Dr Strange box office still below SS?


I thought Dr S was going to crush SS at the box office? I wonder what the marveltards excuses will be now...lolz

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meaning WB threw out their best villain.. the Joker

pulled out Will Smith arguably a strong actor

and still only managed a little less than 100 million worldwide over Dr Strange who was a virtual unknown but people knew Benedict Cumberbatch it's not over yet too so the lead'll get closer. plus with the reshoot costs and extra marketing Dr Strange probably is still more profitable

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Nobody thought DS was going to crush SS.

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Nobody?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1386697/board/nest/262793966?p=1

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I thought Dr S was going to crush SS at the box office? I wonder what Furious_Styles77 excuses will be now...lolz


Here, fixed it for you.

Arthur, put the kettle on and dig out those lemon hand wipes.

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There are countless similar threads but I don't feel like finding all of them.

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I think today I will change the game , as this is what dceu fans do, and compare SS to a fairer comparison which is a similar most recently released sort of team up movie in captain America civil war, it crushed suicide squad at the box office, can we now close this thread and have no more of this dceu V marvel nonsense , it's clear to everyone marvel won a long time ago , you can't compare marvel to dceu films as dceu is a lower league and lower quality .

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ORLY?

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I bet JL will both make one billion. I will bump this thread next year as a tribute.

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I doubt it, DCEU movies aren't good enough to cross the billion mark

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The Ackbars are always correct.

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still hasnt beat ss

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I will bump this thread next year as a tribute.

I'll bet you a million dollars you won't.

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lol

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I bet I will!

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They aren't even remotely similar films "lol!" One is a group of separate comic characters coming together to form a team out of Batman's rogue gallery. Sony's unmade Sinister six would have been a better comparison! Lol!

If you keep latching on to this very unrelated film that is not a solo film I'll have to keep pointing out how much better Frozen did to Suicide Squad. By this logic Frozen would count as a valid comparison.

So what's the excuse for Doctor Strange coming very close to beating DC's solo film about Man of Steel? That's a more valid comparison since they're both solo character.

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No Marvel fans thought that. I and many Marvel fans thought it would do Ant Man money of 550 million or above and it did exceed that by a long shot. That's what a solo D list Marvel character does which is amazing.

Sorry you feel the need to troll trying to compare a DC team up movie releases in the summer with marketing heavy on Harley, Joker, and Batman to make yourself feel good. Unfortunately you're a DC fanatic loser troll so there's only so much happiness you'll get in life.

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*Twitch.*

I am getting tired of Marvel N00bs calling Doctor strange D list.

He's far from D list. Marvel has over 3000 characters. You need to take a look at their ACTUAL D list. Doctor Strange has appeared in every animated Marvel series since the 60s. The only one he didn't appear in was X-Men (1990s) but he did appear in Spider-Man which was set in the same universe. Doctor Strange was so popular in the 90s that Fox Kids shelled out the money to get Tony Jay to voice Mordo. Tony Jay is Frollo in Disney's Hunchback of NotreDame and getting him to voice anything immediately after that cost a lot.

You're talking about a character who has appeared on album covers for Pink Floyd (you know, one of the biggest bands of the 70s.). A character that Vincent Price liked (Because he was obviously the basis for his appearance) and is the source of Dr. Orpheus in Venture Brothers. You don't parody something unless it's something people will recognize. Never have I seen Doctor Strange called D list until this message board. I kind of understand having never read a comic book in your entire lives (Doctor Strange was a major character in at least six titles of Marvel in the 1990s alone) but this is ridiculous. For God's sake, he's in two Disney XD Halloween specials. Search on Amazon for vintage Doctor Strange action figures and you'll find toys of him dating back to the 80s. Actual Marvel D listers don't have toys.



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A list - Goes without saying

Spiderman, Superman, Batman

B list - most people know them, but they are/were not hugely popular amongst the masses

X-men, Fantastic 4, Wonder woman, Hulk

C list - Some people know of them, though not all, they are considered outdated

Captain America, The Flash

D list
- only comicbook readers know them

eg. Doctor Strange


And to be clear, I'm talking about the state of play before any of these characters were popularised by recent movies or TV series.

If you have a different way of categorizing, them explain your system.

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D list - only comicbook readers know them

eg. Doctor Strange


But that's not even remotely true. There are characters who have literally never transitioned outside of comics. Doctor Strange has been in every cartoon series, two Halloween specials, had two previous live action movie attempts, one animated movie, repeated action figures made of him, and even appeared on a Pink Floyd album cover.

And I was not talking about recently.

He's parodied on Scooby Doo. The original version of Vincent Van Ghoul was poking fun of the fact that Doctor Strange was obviously modeled after Vincent Price so they got Vincent Price to voice the parody. The newer version is more like Peter Vincent from 1985's Fright Night, who was a combo parody of Peter Cushing and Vincent Price.

And he is also parodied in Venture Brothers. The character Doctor Orpheus is based on Doctor Strange.

You don't parody something people won't recognize.

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An animated movie that a few thousand people have seen has little relevance to how the general public perceive a character. 99% of people watching the movie will never have heard of Doctor STrange, which for all intents and purposes is the same as 100%.

I can guarantee you that I know more about Marvel characters than at least 95% of the population, and I have never heard of these parodies you are talking about. NOt that some obscure episode of Scooby Doo that has a character who is supposedly a parody of Doctor STrange would have any influence either way.

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I can guarantee you that I know more about Marvel characters than at least 95% of the population, and I have never heard of these parodies you are talking about. NOt that some obscure episode of Scooby Doo that has a character who is supposedly a parody of Doctor STrange would have any influence either way.


I sincerely doubt that 95% claim based on your own statement...

There are people who consider me a moderate fan of the comics.

Also Umm... It wans't some obscure episode...

You never heard of The 13 Ghosts of Schooby Doo? Vincent Van Ghoul was in EVERY episode of the 1980s Scooby Doo.

He even narrates the opening scene of every episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRV5raXCDkA

or Doctor Orpheus on Venture Brothers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6leisjxacQ

I'm honestly surprised.

You can get a Doctor Orpheus doll in Hot Topic of all places.

In fact I just now found out he's getting a retro style one in a few weeks.

https://www.amazon.com/Bang-Pow-Venture-Action-Orpheus/dp/B005H2M04A

And A Funko of him.

As for Vincent Van Ghoul, the character was so popular that when they made What's New Scooby Doo they actually paid Vincent Price's state to gain permission to use Price's likeness for the character again. They hired Maurice LaMarche (Brain in Pinky and the Brain) to do the voice since he's the only person in Hollywood (besides Dan Castonella) who can do a passable Vincent Price impersonation.

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Ugh...this post is mind boggling. Maybe if they wanted to make a vincent price bio, or even a vincent van ghoul film that would be relevant. Nobody is going to go and see a Doctor STrange film because they associate him with Vincent Van Ghoul. Get real man.

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I didn't say the reason people would see the movie is because of Vincent Van Ghoul. Don't twist my words.

I was merely pointing out that there were well known parodies of Doctor Strange. In fact Vincent Van Ghoul was a parody within a homage. Vincent Price knew Doctor strange was modeled after him and so when the character of Vincent Van Ghoul was created he was both a homage to Vincent Price but a parody of the character inspired by him.

My point was the character was known well enough for that to have happened.

Not to mention Dr. Orpheus is a fairly regular appearing character of Venture Brothers on Adult Swim and most viewers DO know who and what he is a parody of.

There was also a 1978 Doctor Strange TV movie. And the attempted movie in the 1990s that became Doctor Mordrid.

And also Doctor Strange's appearances in The Incredible Hulk (1980s and 1990s animated series), X-men, Spider-Man (1990s animated series), Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends (1980s series), later Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers Assemble, and Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H.

He had at least three action figures before this movie...

The Halloween specials Ultimate Spider-man: Strange Little Halloween. and Hulk: Where Monsters Dwell.

He's a playable character in Marvel Heroes MMOPRG, Avengers Alliance, Avengers Academy, Superhero Squad Online, ect...

He appeared in the 2010 animated film Planet Hulk and The 2007 animated Doctor Strange movie.

The band Pink Floyd (Ever hear of 'em??!?) were fans of Doctor Strange and inserted panel art from his comics on one of their album covers and mentions him in song.

Also I'm actually a woman. I'm sorry to disappoint but I'm not actually Count Dracula either.



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OK, you are right. He's not D-list. He's C list.

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Ever hear of Werewolf by Night? Moon Knight? Manfibian? Morbius: The LIving vampire? Man-Thing?

If you knew how many characters Marvel truly had you would know that you can't dust 90% of them into D and F lists just because of your own ignorance.



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I've heard of Moon Knight because I read that Netflix might be doing a Moon knight series. I've heard of Man Thing because his name sounds kind of like Swamp Thing.

That's it.

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Man-Thing is a bit of a knock-off of Swamp Thing. The biggest difference is he can sense emotions. His touch burns those who feel fear and he's mute. Or he was. I read that he may talk in the new comic book they're giving him written by R. L. Stine. He's never had his own TV show. His only movie adaptation was a Scifi Channel Original. And his only cartoon appearances are in Ultimate Spider-Man animated series and Hulk and the agents of S.M.A.S.H for Halloween specials. And the recent Halloween special, Hulk: Where Monsters Dwell. He's only had one action figure, a Marvel Legends figure from 2006.

Moon Knight was a character introduced in the Werewolf by Night comics. He's the first mentally ill Superhero, actually diagnosed as schizophrenic and a loose parody of Batman. He was originally introduced as a werewolf hunter (hence the moon themed weapons made of silver). When he realized he had been tricked into hunting Jack (a good guy werewolf) he switched sides. He fast grew into a character in his own right. His real name is Marc Spector and though mentally ill he managed to win the favor of the Egyptian God of Vengeance. But he's still mostly just rich crazy guy with weapons. He's never appeared in any cartoon but he is a playable character in Avenges Alliance, Superhero Squad Online, and Marvel Heroes MMORPG. I happen to love Werewolf by Night and I sadly fear the original source for Moon Knight will be forgotten for any Netflix incarnation.

Officially these two characters are below Doctor Strange in regard to public awareness according to Marvel. There's actually a considerably long list of characters even behind them.

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Interesting. There are thousands of Marvel superheroes though. So obviously that is going to be a long list.

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Never seen any of those cartoons. Never played any of those games. Me and 99% of the planet.

Everything you said, including Pink Floyd don't even register outside a niche targeted audience.

Don't get me wrong, I read and love doctor strange, and he is well known in the "community". But outside of it? Don't even think about it. I never met a person without comic book reading experience that said to me, sure doctor strange, of course, he had an action figure and a Scooby parody right? Lol it's absurd.

Look I'm from Europe and maybe in the US he is a big deal, but to the rest of the world he is utterly unknown (was).

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Everything you said, including Pink Floyd don't even register outside a niche targeted audience.


Considering the size of their fan base I have to tell you, yo udo NOT speak for 99% of the population of the world. 99% of the population did NOT avoid all of those things for the entirety of their lives.

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Of course not... The thing is people don't register that stuff is connected. They simply don't care.

Lot's of people had to at least ear the name but it didn't stuck, things that don't interest someone don't register, and for the rest of the world doctor strange did not register, at all.

Think SHIN but in reverse.

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maybe in the US he is a big deal

Not really.

That's not to say he's an unimportant character in the Marvel Universe. He's just not at the same popularity level as Iron Man, Captain America or Thor, and never has been.


If your theater is a space safe from ideas and opinions, you're doing theater wrong.

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You forgot to mention that Black Rob song "Whoa" that was on the radio in heavy rotation on hip-hop stations back in the early 2000's.

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How I list it:

A list - Has had high budget movie adaptations, cartoons and repeated action figures. Their comic book titles have never gone out of print and they appear in all (if not nearly all) Marvel compilation video games like Avengers Alliance, Superhero Squad online, and Marvel Heroes MMORPG.

B list - Has had less film adaptations or low budget film adaptions. Never had their own cartoon series but appeared repeatedly in the cartoons of other characters. Perhaps a direct to video movie or two. Action figures. And appear in all (if not nearly all) Marvel team up video games such as Avengers Alliance, Superhero Squad online, and Marvel Heroes MMORPG.

D list - Maybe has appeared in cartoons but perhaps only as seasonal or rarely. i.e. characters they only dust off for Halloween like Werewolf by Night. And who maybe only had one action figure in the last forty years. Man-Thing comes to mind.

E list - Never appeared in a cartoon but known by comic book fans, might have an action figure or two.

F list - Obscure even to some comic book readers. i.e. The Spot and most recently Krampus.

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D list - only comicbook readers know them

eg. Doctor Strange



Which is why it failed at the BO.

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Doctor Strange is doing really well financially. Suicide Squad also did really well financially. Here we have two financially successful films that don't require any excuses, and I'm not sure why you think any should be given.


When there's no more room on the internet, the dumb will walk the earth.

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Doctor Strange is doing really well financially. Suicide Squad also did really well financially. Here we have two financially successful films that don't require any excuses, and I'm not sure why you think any should be given.


Its rare these days to see comments like this. This is the whole point I am trying to make, both movies are good.

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Its rare these days to see comments like this. This is the whole point I am trying to make, both movies are good

Honestly, I doubt that many people feel otherwise other than a loud few. I enjoyed Suicide Squad, although I would have made some casting changes to it. But it deserved to make money. I have seen it twice (once at the cinema and once on video) and my 16 year old daughter has seen it four times (3 times at the cinema and once on video).

I enjoyed Doctor Strange as well. I look forward to seeing it on video again.

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I enjoyed it as well and thanks for the feedback.

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I doubt that many people feel otherwise other than a loud few.

I have met exactly one person outside of the IMDb message boards that thinks Suicide Squad was a good film.

I have also met exactly one person outside of the IMDb message boards who thinks Doctor Strange was not one of the better Marvel offerings.

They were not the same person.

Another did say that he was happy that the DCEU was attempting to create a more distinct visual style for their films with something like Suicide Squad, but that was the only thing he liked about the film.


If your theater is a space safe from ideas and opinions, you're doing theater wrong.

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I have met exactly one person outside of the IMDb message boards that thinks Suicide Squad was a good film.

I have also met exactly one person outside of the IMDb message boards who thinks Doctor Strange was not one of the better Marvel offerings.

They were not the same person

Of course, I could be wrong! ;)

I thought it was pretty good. Coukd have been better.

Doctor Strange was a better made movie, but I was entertained by SS which is all that really matters to me.

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I was entertained by SS which is all that really matters to me.

True enough.

There are films for which that's all you want and all you need, and anything else is a bonus.


If your theater is a space safe from ideas and opinions, you're doing theater wrong.

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I preferred DS, but really liked both movies a lot.

Arthur, put the kettle on and dig out those lemon hand wipes.

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"but doctor strange isnt well known enough :("

This is the 14th movie of the mcu, it should have done much better than it did

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This is the 14th movie of the mcu, it should have done much better than it did


It's doing just fine; no excuses needed.

When there's no more room on the internet, the dumb will walk the earth.

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It's doing just fine; no excuses needed.


It out performed Incredible Hulk, Ant Man, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Thor, Thor: Dark World...

It's still doing fine and why would it need to do better? Even if it closed today it did exceptionally well.

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Exactly.

When there's no more room on the internet, the dumb will walk the earth.

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This is the 14th movie of the mcu, it should have done much better than it did

Do you know why this is a stupid comment?

14 James Bond movies all feature James Bond. You can be pretty sure that people want to see James Bond when they go to see them. He's the brand and the brand is him.

Same thing is true when you go to the fourth Die Hard film: you're there for John McClane.

Star Wars movies all have certain elements that people have come to expect of the series.

There aren't many brands that work the way the Marvel brand works. Basically Pixar and Disney Animation have ever had the sort of success with a production brand that Marvel has: they're not tied to a specific character or genre.

Last year, Pixar released its highest-grossing (domestic) original film in Inside Out.

It also released its lowest-grossing film ever in The Good Dinosaur.

So is Pixar a success, or a failure? Its 15th release was a smash hit, but its sixteenth barely made back its budget.

Of Marvel's 14 films to date, 7 were either sequels or event films (Avengers), and 7 were original characters/groups. Of those latter 7, Doctor Strange ranks second, behind only Guardians of the Galaxy and ahead of Iron Man, Thor, Captain America: The First Avenger, Ant-Man and The Incredible Hulk. It's also ahead of two sequels, Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World.

How "much better" should it have done?


If your theater is a space safe from ideas and opinions, you're doing theater wrong.

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Dr Strange crushed SS at the box office....internationally

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I wouldn't say DS crushed SS internationally... But, it did beat it - and that is a very pertinent point you've put across... SS only made what it did because of America... Batman and Superman run the streets... And SS brought in the former, with a little bit of that Joker flavor... Internationally however, DC may be losing their clout.

"I've come to bargain!"

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I wouldn't say DS crushed SS internationally... But, it did beat it - and that is a very pertinent point you've put across.


SS only made what it did because of America.


What? wait a sec...back that truck up...beep...beep...beep...

Now we are judging a movies success based on one market? The marvelites will do anything to justify their failing and precious Dr S. It was said that Dr S would crush SS at the box office, meaning total money made from both markets. Keep on spinning that wheel of failure.

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Never have I said that DS would beat SS, or Deadpool and BvS for that matter, at any Box Office measure... Not once, have I ever said that... Like, never...

And now you're saying Doctor Strange failed... when it did more than SS internationally... Over $200 million Domestically, and just over $650 million Worldwide. So, I'm guessing Man of Steel failed???... Even though it is considered a commercial success.

Man of Steel made just under $300 million Domestically (Because Superman runs these streets), less than Doctor Strange internationally (because clout is being compromised) and $668 million Worldwide, on a $225 million budget.

You do realize right, that Doctor Strange almost grossed more than Man of Steel?... But no you know what, you're right, Doctor Strange must be a failure.

I swear, it's DC fans like you... DC fans like you...

"I've come to bargain!"

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Doctor Strange exceeded expectations opening weekend and has since out earned Antman, Thor, Thor: Dark World, Iron Man, and Iron Man 2. For Doctor Strange to have failed you'd have to consider both the Iron Man and Thor films to be failures.

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The OP is anti-Marvel... So, if you're going to use Marvel movies as your benchmark, he WILL obviously say yes, they have failed... Because I have NEVER, seen any of these... whatever one may call these sort of people, EVER admit they're wrong.

If he agrees with you, he'd have to apologize to me, you, every other person in this thread and delete this vacuous post... But, that will never happen.

P.S. My "But you're right, DS must have failed" comment to the OP, was me being sarcastic towards this clown...

"I've come to bargain!"

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I am not anti Marvel or DC. I just like pointing out what hypocrites you all are. The problem is you are judging movies based on your opinion and ratings. Scenario A: If you think a movie is terrible and and terrible ratings but makes lots of money it is still terrible. Scenario B: If you like a movie and has great ratings and makes lots of money it is a great movie. I will prove my theory below. Tell me which movie is better. I rounded numbers up slightly to make it harder to figure what movies they are.


Movie A:

= Worldwide: $831,000,000


Movie B:

= Worldwide: $759,000,000




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There are movies with bad ratings, and didn't make all that much at The Box Office, that I believe are good. Also, there are movies I believe are terrible, but have high ratings and made tons... I do not critique, judge or rate movies within your very rigid constructs... So, your experiment won't work...

I can't choose A or B, because the grossing is irrelevant to the enjoyment or quality.

"I've come to bargain!"

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I can't choose A or B, because the grossing is irrelevant to the enjoyment or quality.


Bingo, that is exactly the point I am trying to convey. The problem is that people judge movies based on their opinion. I think Twilight is stupid but then again that is just my opinion. If I were a 12 yr old girl then I would probably love it. Twilight breaking dawn part 2 made $830 million so I have recourse in saying it is a bad movie.

The two movies were Twilight breaking dawn part 2 and The Amazing Spider-Man. Even though Spider Man has better ratings and was also released in China, Twilight ended up making more money. Based on those facts Twilight is a better movie than Spiderman despite your opinion of both movies. I surely hope you are seeing the point of all this.

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Never have I said that DS would beat SS, or Deadpool and BvS for that matter, at any Box Office measure... Not once, have I ever said that... Like, never...


I know you didn't. I don't know why you are getting so upset over it. Furious is the one that said Dr S would crush SS.

And now you're saying Doctor Strange failed... when it did more than SS internationally... Over $200 million Domestically, and just over $650 million Worldwide. So, I'm guessing Man of Steel failed???... Even though it is considered a commercial success.


I never said Dr S failed, I merely pointed out that it has made less than SS. You realize what you are saying don't you? You are judging a movie based on one market. This is not how it works. Man of Steel didn't fail, it greatly under performed as did BvS.

Man of Steel made just under $300 million Domestically (Because Superman runs these streets), less than Doctor Strange internationally (because clout is being compromised) and $668 million Worldwide, on a $225 million budget.


Since when are movies judged on one market? In one case you cite the international and the other you cite domestic, which one is it?

You do realize right, that Doctor Strange almost grossed more than Man of Steel?... But no you know what, you're right, Doctor Strange must be a failure.


I agree, Dr S is not a failure, it just made less than a rotten movie that critics and fans hate. Don't you see the irony in this?

I am not a Marvel or DC fan, I just like trying to figure out why people think they way they do.

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I know you didn't. I don't know why you are getting so upset over it. Furious is the one that said Dr S would crush SS.


Trust me, I'm not upset.

I never said Dr S failed, I merely pointed out that it has made less than SS.


That's my bad... I guess the term "marvelites", "marveltards" and us apparently "spinning some wheel of failure" threw me off.

Since when are movies judged on one market? In one case you cite the international and the other you cite domestic, which one is it?


You are judging a movie based on one market. This is not how it works.


Which one market is this? How did I "judge" based on said one market? And, how does it work?

I agree, Dr S is not a failure, it just made less than a rotten movie that critics and fans hate. Don't you see the irony in this?


I guess what you're calling "irony", is what I call DC fans' "denial". That is why I said, SS made that much because of America... You do know that, even with The Dark Knight, it made more in America alone, than it did internationally?... That's how much Americans love seeing Batman. So, it's really not irony, more than it is blind loyalty bordering on stupidity in regards to DC fans not only allowing, but applauding Warner Bros., for dragging DC's legacy through the mud.

I am not a Marvel or DC fan, I just like trying to figure out why people think they way they do.


Your post, its heading, and your use of insipid terms such as "marveltards", put together with your quote above, that my friend, is the "irony"... That, is the hypocrisy.

"I've come to bargain!"

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I wouldn't say DS crushed SS internationally... But, it did beat it - and that is a very pertinent point you've put across...

SS only made what it did because of America

And now you're saying Doctor Strange failed... when it did more than SS internationally...

Man of Steel made just under $300 million Domestically

...less than Doctor Strange internationally

I do not critique, judge or rate movies within your very rigid constructs...

I can't choose A or B, because the grossing is irrelevant to the enjoyment or quality.




Which one market is this? How did I "judge" based on said one market? And, how does it work?


I am not sure if you are just stupid or if you are just messing with me. I think you are trying to be clever and gaslight me.


I guess what you're calling "irony", is what I call DC fans' "denial". That is why I said, SS made that much because of America... You do know that, even with The Dark Knight, it made more in America alone, than it did internationally?... That's how much Americans love seeing Batman. So, it's really not irony, more than it is blind loyalty bordering on stupidity in regards to DC fans not only allowing, but applauding Warner Bros., for dragging DC's legacy through the mud.



I still find it ironic that people think SS is a failure despite how much money it made.

Your post, its heading, and your use of insipid terms such as "marveltards", put together with your quote above, that my friend, is the "irony"... That, is the hypocrisy.


I think you might be late to the party or haven't been on the SS boards very much. This is what you call a parody thread. I am mocking all the people that thought Dr S would make more than SS. Also I have learned over the years that the majority of people only respond to negative threads.

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one is a summer movie and the other isn't.

That's like comparing Deadpool's box office to Civil War.



stupid troll

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Please, please do not insult the stupids and the trolls. It's not their fault that vermin like this imbecile exist in this world.

FROM:"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS TO:"Save me Product Placement, save me" WB and BvS

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lmao

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one is a summer movie and the other isn't.

That's like comparing Deadpool's box office to Civil War.




haha what?


#strangef41l

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